She started the whole thing with an outstanding: "Who the cares what they said", referring to promises/statements/advertising of CR, Sandi and co.
Oh boy.
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She started the whole thing with an outstanding: "Who the cares what they said", referring to promises/statements/advertising of CR, Sandi and co.
Oh boy.
Yeah, that was a rather shrill presentation. Poor thing looks to be coming unhinged.
proKar_garlic
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I think it's so blatant that it's not worthy of discussion in this thread or even my time dissecting it, it's that bad.
Just PM if you are really interested and I'll provide a video, much practical.
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No, out here in the open. Transparent. Just pick one if there are too many to address at once.
Don't be dodgy.
EDIT: If ever there was a place to have honest and open discourse about the lies we see from whomever (be it Derek, CIG or other posters), it is this thread, right now.
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proKar_garlic
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Nop, not falling for it, this thread is about Star Citizen THE Game, not skewed half-truths , fud campaigns or their perpetrators.
btw congratulations on the explosions video, it was even showcased in the latest ATV:
[video=youtube;_X40x_quqZk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X40x_quqZk[/video]
What comp are you running? specs?
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So explain where he's lying about the game. It just sounds like you can't actually point out any of the so-called lies. You do realize without making a case or much of an argument, you're actually the one spreading "fear, uncertainty, and doubt," right?
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I must say you and rolan. Are pretty level headet fan's. The kind of fans star citizen needs more off .
The insulting fan's just dont bring anything to discussions.
Shouting hater just doesnt make the issue go away.
Like i said before the fact why negativity is prevailing in this thread is caused by lack of contend in the game itself.
for like 2-3 years ppl kept discussing about the future mechanics of star citizen. Now discussion is turning towards what we have gotten in these 4 years.
And the sight just aint pretty. Nothing is final, core hasnt been made, and the contend is non existential.
I propose the radical suggestion of actually talking about Star Citizen.
All the sniping going on is a bit petty
So my thought's after E3 is that we all rather luckily have two new space games to look forward to!
The surprise reveal of COD:IW looking actually not too bad (not a huge COD fan) and of course the tease of the new Mass Effect
Its good to see this market alive and well again and it should be interesting to see how CIG responds to both of these reveals by what they show at Gamescom.
The bar has been raised!
What are you folks thought on what they need to show off to match the splashes generated by these two games?
I think Cig needs to either showcase some gameplay of sq42 (dont give about spoilers, game is already 2 years off its launch date)
or showcase some core mechanics in play mining,salvaging, exploring, science etc... Just so ppl will have something to talk about thats concrete (talk is cheap they need to show something)
I would say star marine will look bad even if they make demo for it, theres just no way they can compete against COD:IW.
Hell showcasing 40 or 60 systems would restore some faith in the project, but thats just fever dream.
Now what will we see in gamescom
star marine demo that will not look anything like 2014 demo (visuals in that demo just doesnt match on what we have seen in baby pu)
Concept art ship that you can only buy during gamescom.
fan video showcases, cosplay of most hardcore backers.
somekind of speech about haters.
and idris hangar ready (kinda doubt it)
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Erin Roberts coments about Foundry 42 and Brexit
Source:http://wccftech.com/brexit-will-raise-uk-tech-prices/
Source:http://wccftech.com/brexit-will-raise-uk-tech-prices/
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Not a trap. A demand that you back up what you say. Clearly you have nothing. Everything dsmart said in that must be true by your failure to defend the game you love so much.
CIG needs much better champions that what we've got right now.
Max, you still lurking?
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yeah, the big issue here is keeping the staff.
Still don't have an answer though, is the UK Game Tax Credit funded by EU or UK spending?
However, I heard it could take up to two years for new lines to be drawn and for foreign nationals being compelled to leave. Then again, I just heard that Brussels is urging the UK to leave the EU expeditiously...so, we'll see.
proKar_garlic
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You have no right to demand anything , everyone that follows Star Citizen knows it's full of lies and half-truths skewed to fuel a fud campaign.
From the very core of the inception of those arguments you have the most absolute lie, "that the game has been pitched, will never get made". (Who said exactly the same about Elite: Dangerous btw).
Then you have the little bit's here and there like "game can only handle 6/7 people", when ArcCorp alone handles 48 and Crusader Universe 21...
[video=youtube;lu8ubTa3rEg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu8ubTa3rEg[/video]
[video=youtube;4byD8n3Ise0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4byD8n3Ise0[/video]
And on and on, like I said, it's so blatant and seen as joke by now that It's known that only people with a grudge against CIG/Star Citizen use them, losing all credibility at the same time.
From the very core of the inception of those arguments you have the most absolute lie, "that the game has been pitched, will never get made". (Who said exactly the same about Elite: Dangerous btw).
Then you have the little bit's here and there like "game can only handle 6/7 people", when ArcCorp alone handles 48 and Crusader Universe 21...
[video=youtube;lu8ubTa3rEg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu8ubTa3rEg[/video]
[video=youtube;4byD8n3Ise0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4byD8n3Ise0[/video]
And on and on, like I said, it's so blatant and seen as joke by now that It's known that only people with a grudge against CIG/Star Citizen use them, losing all credibility at the same time.
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That was out of UK spending. But may go away as they try to tighten the tax code to increase revenue to deal with any budget gaps that will result.
I think the main issue for us would be the uncertainty surrounding Brexit. At the moment we can take advantage of the UK game tax credit incentive, which may not survive or would have to change if we exited the European Union, but also a large number of our workforce are European Nationals, which once again would lead to uncertainty until a plan was in place. We source work and travel between the European Union a great deal (as well as send / buy equipment) and of course we have our Frankfurt Office and so leaving the Union would make it more complicated for us to do business. Then you get into the Macro issues of what it will do to the UK and World economies, especially in the short term. So when you add all the issues up, it feels like staying in the EU is by far the less risky option for CIG / Foundry 42
None of which would be a problem if the game was finished in the next 2 years - ahh - yeah - I see what he means.
"No, I can't provide you with anything except for the broadest of rhetorical answers, please don't try to engage me on a discussion of material points"
Er, but that's not true. Lots of us here are backers of Star Citizen and have been following it for years. So you can't claim "everyone that follows Star Citizen," as that's not true. I don't see the lies. Hyperbole, snark, opinions delivered very emphatically, sure.
yeah we get it, years ago he said things about ED and changed his mind due to the competence Frontier exhibited and excellent work ethic. Guess what? Years ago he gave Chris Roberts a couple hundred bucks... and changed his mind about SC as well.
What are you even trying to say? You're not allowed to change your mind about a project if it goes really well or really badly? You're forever stuck to your original opinion no matter how good or how badly a project goes?
It's not a lie for him to think SC will never be completed as pitched, it's just his opinion on the project based on years of CR's incompetence, unreasonable ambitions, and bad management. Until SC is completed as pitched, you can't call it a lie.
ArcCorp can handle 48 people? yeah, what great gameplay you have in ArcCorp. Oh that's right, there isn't any gameplay there.
Crusader handles 21? Well? You're seriously going to claim it performs well with 21 players and as many ships? Cmon, most of us here have played the PU and know that not to be exactly accurate. it's like saying because 100 people managed to get into an ED instance, it handles 100 players in frenzied combat well. it doesn't.
SC's netcode is still trash half a decade and 4 redos in. You'd think they'd have concentrated on that from the start. ArcheAge is on CryEngine as well but apparently their coders are more magical than even the most magical German. Either that or they have competent management.
Judging by the comments section on every SC-related article and video posted these days, I'm not seeing that at all. More and more skepticism, mockery, and former backers having doubts. They can't ALL be Derek Smart alts, you know.
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who said that and when?
I only remember star citizen fans talking about having only 6/7 people in elite (which is untrue check out this webm. https://i.imgur.com/O5pbXsC.webm )
Also do remember that chris has promised 1000 players per server instance.
proKar_garlic
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Star citizen or Sausage Citizen? Way too much testosterone at that bar
I wholeheartedly agree, but it's coming from the latests updates it's already done, hoping for the reveal at Gamescom or CitizenCom!
My alt char will be a female baddie most likely.
I have the right to make whatever demands I want.
It is your right to not answer them.
ok...so your first one
the most absolute lie, "that the game has been pitched, will never get made".
This can neither be a lie or a truth. It is a prediction. I do not treat it as fact and nor should anyone else.
second one...
"game can only handle 6/7 people", when ArcCorp alone handles 48 and Crusader Universe 21
I believe you on this... in the second video I see approximately 15-21. I hesitate to count ArcCorp as anything yet...for now it just appears to be a level with highly detailed textures, good and all but I would think Crusader is where it matter, no?
MORE...I like this and see, I'm being fair.
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It would be more useful here. Right now you are making claims without any supporting evidence and that does not advance your goals. If a lot of us are posting negative comments about SC and related, it's because there's a lot of negative news coming out about the project. Aside from DS, most of us are happy to give credit where it's do. A lot of us are backers as well and some, like myself, would rather not be involved at all but have been denied our refunds. I don't take well to being conned. Not many of us do. Most of the available information shows that that is exactly what's happening. If you have information to the contrary and can effectively refute points then that would not only be useful, it would genuinely be well received. Unfortunately, the pro SC arguments posted here so far are all faith based and faith is in short supply.
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