Yes, that's what I mean, and cheers
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Yes, that's what I mean, and cheers
Of course not, that's why I typed "I thought". It's nice to know you advise people against believing what CiG say.
Ah, thank you. I knew it had been promised by them at some point. IceGryphon if the "offensive" p-word is getting to you I can put broken in front of it if you like.
*triggering intensifies* That wouldn't work, as the offensive word would still be in there.
Yeah right. Good luck with that.
It's been proven time after time that fans of this game will excuse CIG of ANYTHING, including not delivering the game.
Just out of curiosity, what's your "ultimately fails" interpretation ?
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On another note, someone over at SA linked this which I thought was interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeZtqoydXpc
e: relevance is, I'm no game programmer but what the guy says makes a lot of sense to me. What are some potential drawbacks to this method? How does method differ from (what we know of) CIG's?
(The guy explains how Dual Universe aims to have all clients on a single shard)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeZtqoydXpc
e: relevance is, I'm no game programmer but what the guy says makes a lot of sense to me. What are some potential drawbacks to this method? How does method differ from (what we know of) CIG's?
(The guy explains how Dual Universe aims to have all clients on a single shard)
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Derek is the Patsy.
From my other comments it should be pretty clear that i'm not your usual "fan", i'm mostly interested in the development process of the "tech demo" (as the game is usually refered to), i enjoy watching the "CGI trailers" as much as i enjoy watching siggraph videos on youtube. I'm not here to excuse CIG, but to provide reasonable discussion about the topic Star Citizen and its development. "ultimately fails" = ceasing development, packing up shop, running out of funds...
I would say it's somewhat similar to CIGs approach in regards to Network LoD, there was no talk about the way the "mesh of servers" will work in detail, e.g. partitioning and distribution of clients to servers. Wouldn't call it a potential drawback, but solving collision detection, networked physics as well as player interaction might be a whole other beast of a challenge which isn't part of the video.
Well DU as I am aware using UNIGINE 2 game engine that it´s almost brand new so huge mp numbers and different approach to the network are very possible....
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Can't talk about their financials, as they haven't provided me a financial report, but talking about the release of it i would take a guess and say 2018 for Star Citizen and mid to late 2017 for SQ42 (i have no clue how far they are in reality from what they've been willing to show, it could be everything they have to show after all). They are still receiving funding so i don't expect them to pack up shop any time soon, if that's what you have been asking.
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Well, development of Daikatana or DNF didn't fail, because those games were released. One might say the games were critical or commercial failures, but that means something different. Looks to me that Gryphon's talking about the former, not the latter.
In this sense, "timeline" didn't mean very much, particularly in the case of DNF.
e: my point is, even if the game still hasn't released by 2026, then if your criterion for failure is "packed up shop and stopped working on it", then development hadn't failed, by definition. That's not to say everything about it wouldn't be terrible, but that's another thing
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Which is frankly what people were expecting for delivery 18 months ago for delivery in 2014. It's why I exited via the grey market two years ago. I still have an account, but in terms of dollars I've got more invested in used Mass Effect games for the 360 than I do Star Citizen at this point. Until then I'll be working on getting my Cutter upgraded with engineering mods...
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Here is one of the biggest issues I've had with CIG. Since 2013 they said specifically that CryNetwork was never going to work and they'd have to roll their own backend from day 1. The whole excuse given in late 2013 for the delay of the Dog Fighting Module, now dubbed "Arena Commander", was so they didn't have to go down the rabbit whole of making CryNetwork work well enough only to abandon it later. They reason why it Arena Commander was 6 months late was supposed to be so they could start with that netcode from day 1 and start hashing it out, warts and all, from the beginning. Only my understanding is that never happened. Arena Commander shipped with ized CryNetwork code.
Then I was told last year that the big deal about the PU was they finally had inserted the magical "custom developed backend netcode".
Now we're still waiting for this customized netcode? Netcode that was/is to rely on a 3rd party open source networking layer (not sure what ever happened to that)?
Pretty accurate, however i don't think they'll be able to survive without any release of a product, minimal or not, in the not too distant future.
I agree, I was just wanting to point this out so we don't accidentally equivocate on what we mean by failure
It was stated in early versions of the TOS including through 1.1 and I believe 1.2, but I'd need to double check.
I remember that very well and it was not the only occassion they used a "rework of CryNetwork" as an "excuse". As far as i know they extended the original CryNetwork to accommodate the additions to what CryNetwork didn't handle before and that's it, this ultimately led to the dead end of using CryNetwork in its current state. The "magical custom developed backend netcode" was always part of the equation and is not directly related to the use of CryNetwork as CryNetwork is not a MMO or general backend protocol, but a simple Server/Client solution to be used as is in most projects that need simple networking. Of the 3 big engines on the open market (Unity, UE, CryEngine), not a single one provides MMO backend functionality as this specific use case is almost always in need for a specific custom tailored solution. And yes, they're already utilizing the "3rd party open source networking layer" aka ZeroMQ in their current backend.
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Here is one of the best effort posts I've seen on the SA forums in recent weeks (and there have been a lot of great ones too, interspersed between the plentiful CIG-baiting cack-posting comments and cat(te)tax pictures.) It perfectly distils all of the issues that are afflicting Star Citizen and the huge obstacles CIG would face just trying to address all of them (and those are just the ones the poster mentioned, there are a ton more which could be included) if they want his game to come out in any sort of reasonable state worthy of release....
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