The Star Citizen Thread v5

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JohnMice

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Fair enough. Negative proofs are very curious things anyway…

I'm still curious what the actual supposed “building controversy” is. It can't just be that old door, can it? It seems like far too small (and improperly timed) a thing to drag half a dozen different corporations to court over.


Yes it is. You made a claim. Now you need to offer evidence to support that claim. If you are rejecting a negative claim, you do so by asserting the positive and proving it. You are effectively making the exact same claim he is, only inverted, which means you still have the burden of proof. It's all very simple. Doubly so in this case when finding such support is a few keystrokes away, and yet you refuse to do even that.

Thats not how it works ; )
The one making the claim needs to back those if contested. Law school basics. You need a case before making acusations because you will be called upon to proove those same claims. Simple.
 
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Thats not how it works
Repeating it does not make it true. Especially not when you then instantly go on to contradict yourself.

The one making the claim needs to back those if contested.
You made the claim. It has been contested. You have utterly failed to back up your stance in spite of given ample opportunity to do so. We can thus safely conclude that what you said is not true, even though it would have been trivial for you to support your stance if you had made even a fleeting attempt at trying to do so. Instead, you just hurled yourself down an infinite “nuh-uh”-spiral that only ever further demonstrated your lack of evidence or proof.

So. Proof. Cough it up, or accept that you cannot make any claim to knowledge on the matter.
 
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JohnMice

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Repeating it does not make it true. Especially not when you then instantly go on to contradict yourself.


You made the claim. It has been contested. You have utterly failed to back up your stance in spite of given ample opportunity to do so. We can thus safely conclude that what you said is not true, even though it would have been trivial for you to support your stance if you had made even a fleeting attempt at trying to do so. Instead, you just hurled yourself down an infinite “nuh-uh”-spiral that only ever further demonstrated your lack of evidence or proof.

So. Proof. Cough it up, or accept that you cannot make any claim to knowledge on the matter.

Backer24 made severe and specific serious claims against CIG kickstarter campaign, calling it a fraud. If there is anyone that has to back those claims its him or his web lawyer ;)
 
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Backer24 made severe and specific serious claims against CIG kickstarter campaign, calling it a fraud.
…and you made claims that you have yet to prove, even though it should be trivially easy for you to find even the slightest shred of support. Yet you failed — and you keep failing — to do so.

Thus, the conclusion is unavoidable at this point: you simply don't have any idea about any of this. You're just trolling.
 

JohnMice

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…and you made claims that you have yet to prove, even though it should be trivially easy for you to find even the slightest shred of support. Yet you failed — and you keep failing — to do so.

Thus, the conclusion is unavoidable at this point: you simply don't have any idea about any of this. You're just trolling.

But thats not how it works...
You cant acuse a company of fraude and then not back it up because there are rules and fines to apply by the co
 
But thats not how it works.
According to you, that's exactly how it works

You made a claim. Now you have to support it. Until you do, I can only conclude that what you said is unsupported nonsense.

So make up your mind: do you stand by your claim, or are you just trolling? Those are your only two options.
 
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I once mighty thread of argument and rebuttal. Cut and thrust, parry and riposte... now reduced to "I'm not, you are..."

Anyone know the release date for 2.6 or Sq 42... I get the feeling both will be released before we get back to any decent discussion in here :p
 
I once mighty thread of argument and rebuttal. Cut and thrust, parry and riposte... now reduced to "I'm not, you are..."

Anyone know the release date for 2.6 or Sq 42... I get the feeling both will be released before we get back to any decent discussion in here :p
Rumours would suggest somewhere around CitizenCon, so… yeah. Long before that unlikely event. :p
 

JohnMice

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According to you, that's exactly how it works

You made a claim. Now you have to support it. Until you do, I can only conclude that what you said is unsupported nonsense.

So make up your mind: do you stand by your claim, or are you just trolling? Those are your only two options.

Again... Not how it works ; )

When you acuse a company of commiting fraude you need facts to back it up because Kickstarter has rules of engagement to deal with said frauds and companies doing so. They have not. So expect a forum John Doe or its attourney (with a history of bollockery) to be called out when said claims are done. And this ends here until said claims are prooved. Right here. Untill then, its all a big round 0.
 
The comments are interesting, as you can see the same type of delusions as with Star Citizen:


The commentator imagined something huge and then ended up with a MVP. Great lesson to learn for Star Citizen backers.

I think if you take a cursory look thru the FD forum you will see your fair share of criticism of ED, including from myself. SC on the other hand is definitely cultish in its adoration of the game and their "Dear Leader", any criticism is seized upon as treachery and stamped on straight away. Apples and oranges I`m afraid.
 
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I think if you take a cursory look thru the FD forum you will see your fair share of criticism of ED, including from myself. SC on the other hand is definitely cultish in its adoration of the game and their "Dear Leader", any criticism is seized upon as treachery and stamped on straight away. Apples and oranges I`m afraid.
Do I have to post that apples ≈ oranges report again? :p

Anyway, yes, that whole vociferous, aggressive, and even outright physically hostile treatment of critics is one thing that really makes SC quite exceptional. It's rather worrisome to think what will happen if it is suddenly turned inwards…

Again... Not how it works
Make up your mind. Do you or do you not need to offer any kind of proof to support to your claims? First you say that you do, but when pressed for said proof, you suddenly say that you don't. Which is it?

When you acuse a company
…but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the claims you made — the ones you must support. The ones you have failed to support. The claims that we can now safely dismiss as trolling nonsense.
 
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Anyone know the release date for 2.6 or Sq 42... I get the feeling both will be released before we get back to any decent discussion in here :p

Somewhat seriously: Nope. Thats also cig's stance on the 'SQ42 is delayed' thing. They claim it hasnt been delayed, which is technically true as it doesnt have a release date at all. Its not delayed, its just going to be released at a later point in time than originally anticipated.
 
Somewhat seriously: Nope. Thats also cig's stance on the 'SQ42 is delayed' thing. They claim it hasnt been delayed, which is technically true as it doesnt have a release date at all. Its not delayed, its just going to be released at a later point in time than originally anticipated.

didn't it say 2016 on the add somewhere?
 
didn't it say 2016 on the add somewhere?

Doesn't really matter what it said.

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We just have to wait until CR refactors reality :D
 
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didn't it say 2016 on the add somewhere?

It did say '2016' on the SQ42 website, but it didnt say that was the release date. ;) It was presented by CR when the new roadmap was presented, following the failure of the previous one. And as the SC boys here already argued strongly, there is a difference between presenting the roadmap and saying SQ42 would be released in 2016, and saying the release date is 2016. I am not entirely sure what the difference is, but they sounded very convinced of it.
 
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