The Star Citizen Thread v5

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dsmart

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You've hit the nail on the head right there. But that's just the thing, depending on which SC backer you ask, you get the opinion that CIG still has all that money, or a large portion of it, or half of it, or perhaps spent the majority of it - and each of those scenarios is perfectly ok for them. It's going to remain ok until the NMS release happens and things can't be denied anymore. But then it'll be too late.

Why don't they just honor their original TOS? Also, if original backers are still bound by it, doesn't that mean that CIG is too, and that they would HAVE to release the finances as promised?

That's why they are giving refunds now when asked, due to the State/Fed inquiries that are now on-going. I wrote a section about that in my write-up

Problem is, unless and until State or Fed agencies, banks, or investors takes action, the only way for backers to get these financials, is to file a lawsuit and obtain them either through discovery, or as a resolution to the suit. Right now any backer on the old ToS – with or without an attorney – can sue them for those financials seeing as they have missed the 18 month cure period to deliver as promised. But they are bound by arbitration (see Section XXII) which heavily favors (1, 2, 3, 4) corporations. But guess what? Even so, CIG will just refund them; and probably (depending on the arbitrating judge) never have to provide those financials. That would be the end of the matter. So they might as well give refunds; which is cheaper and has less PR nightmares for them.
 
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There should be movie about this, I don't care, Netflix or other cable. Too juicy. Good read for those who don't follow number game.

Also Derek, how big chance they overstate money taken in? Just not to scare people away?

Not about "chance". It is an easy conclusion to make based on the metrics we're scraping. I can't say much about it right now; but the fact that the totals don't even take refunds (some of which are for high amounts as $30K in some cases) into account, is a huge Red flag in and of itself. Plus there are investors, and bank loans which we're aware of, but which we don't believe are even factored into the funding chart. Which is why I have claimed that they could easily have raised (and burned) over $150+ million on this train wreck. Easy. Imagine that. Just imagine it. Then tell me why you don't think there is a chance that people are going to be in some serious (even jail time depending on how bad things are) hot water in the foreseeable future.
 
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Well I put in my request. Next question I guess is Playstation VR, Vive, or Rift?

Take up archery it's really zen and will be a useful skill in the post apocalyptic wasteland after CiG breaks the worlds economy. You could blow the refund on a really nice bow and a funky looking elven style back quiver. But that's the last thing you should do, spend £60 on a beginners course over a couple of months using the clubs equipment to see if you like archery before buying your own stuff, that way you'll also know what to buy and probably get a club discount.
 
The Dual Universe Kickstarter thingy came up on my FB timeline... Blimey, there are some feisty SC fans mobbing it! And there was me thinking the El Capo had given this one the nod?
 
Ironically, I found explanation how Planetside 2 actually works in CIG forums :D



As I predicted, it is LOD system combined with dynamic instancing networking. Now add that you need this to be dynamic at meta level as well (Planetside 2 is one fixed instance/continent).

It has its own cans of worms. It "works" but can get to gameplay breaking moments. Like a tank not being able to shoot infantry that bombard him with missiles. A airplane being attacked by flak that comes from infantry and not being able to see/attack them. Even if you know where they are...if you cant see it you cant harm it, only what your client renders is actually hitable for you. Damage is clientside...so PS2 had already people making the server believe that the pistol you shoot are actually missiles...or do insane amount of damage.

Or infantry only able to see other infantry when they are 15m close...because there are so many people at the same spot.

In short, being killed by invisible people.
 
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Take up archery it's really zen and will be a useful skill in the post apocalyptic wasteland after CiG breaks the worlds economy. You could blow the refund on a really nice bow and a funky looking elven style back quiver. But that's the last thing you should do, spend £60 on a beginners course over a couple of months using the clubs equipment to see if you like archery before buying your own stuff, that way you'll also know what to buy and probably get a club discount.

I've had a compound bow since the early 90's. But I also have a M1919 and a pallet of Korean War surplus .30-06 with which to feed it. (doesn't like the modern .30-06 stuff as the bullet jackets are too soft and cause it to jam). Although given this election I might end up getting a spare Walther P99 or a PPQM1.

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The Rift is all but dead

Vive is expensive, has more games, and is a better device than Rift

Playstation VR is not out yet; so it's hard to tell how that will turn out

That's what I've heard from my friends that have tried both Rift & Vive. I did the SteamVR test last night and my system clocked in at "ready". Near the low end of "ready", but "ready". Said friends are wanting to get back into DCS and it supports VR. Getting a PS4Pro this Xmas no matter what. It's time to replace the 360 and PS4 has more exclusive games the Mrs. wants to play through plus I seem to be the only on of my friends on Xbox. I'm a complete console peasant when it comes to games like Battlefield.
 
Well I put in my request. Next question I guess is Playstation VR, Vive, or Rift?

I don't regret picking up the Vive, just make sure you have a high end rig to support it(980TI and up preferably), its a game changer for ED IMO:) Nothing made me happier than putting the money I got back from useless jpegs into real PC hardware(Fury GPU and Vive) .

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More money that could be going to hard working developers of real games not designed to take advantage of peoples naivety its sickening to watch.
 

dsmart

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More money that could be going to hard working developers of real games not designed to take advantage of peoples naivety its sickening to watch.

Indeed. And that's the outrage that most people are missing, when they claim don't "understand" my motives. Just wait for what comes next. It's beautiful.

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FYI, for those of you who read my latest scoop before now, please refresh. my Wordpress cache was acting up again. I only just now noticed that two sections (Gizmondo, nepotism paycheck, arbitration) on the original version were not displaying (cache was serving up old/draft)
 
Community Manager's Log and Schedule: October 3rd, 2016
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All hands are on deck as we prepare for CitizenCon 2946! The LA studio is jam packed with our developers from all around the globe as we approach this Sunday's event.

Make sure to check out the CitizenCon Details Page to stay up to date with all of the festivities!

As a reminder, during the week of one of our major broadcasts there will be no Around the Verse this Thursday.
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You may ask yourself, what is Disco Lando doing here? Well, this has become quite the natural habitat for him this week as we setup all the tech involved in getting everything running smoothly for this weekend. In this case, Lando is preparing the Fan Cave in the LA Studio for Friday and Saturday's Community Gameplay Livestream which will be hosted by community Twitch streamers Capn_Flint, Sofiegrl, SGT_Gamble, and WTFOSAURUS on https://www.twitch.tv/starcitizen.

See you in the 'Verse! o7




THE COMM-LINK/BROADCAST SCHEDULE



Tuesday, October 4th
- Lore Post

Wednesday, October 5th
- [1200 PDT / 1900 UTC] Loremaker's Guide to the Galaxy - https://www.youtube.com/user/RobertsSpaceInd/

Thursday, October 6th
- Jump Point Rerun

Friday, October 7th
- [1200 PDT / 1900 UTC] Community Gameplay Livestream - https://www.twitch.tv/starcitizen

Saturday, October 8th
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Sunday, October 9th
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As Oculus has been very arrogant in their behavior before and after Vive reveal, yet HTC beat them to the market, I will pick Vive 4k successor. I will pass for first generation as I really don't need more distractions from real life at the moment - playing ED now and then and following all kinds fo game development is soaking up my free time already enough :) Said that though if someone will offer me to testdrive Vive for day or two I won't pass - I want see how it feels. I have good time playing with good 27'' monitor but who knows how I will feel about it after I will had checked out VR in action.

As for Sony I expect it to be passable, a bit bellow current gen, but as Samsung VR shows you really don't need OMG Amazingoids level of render to make good, interesting, entertaining VR to do sales. Also having standardized hardware as PS4Pro of course will help a great deal.
 
Basically they feel they backed wrong horse (although idea itself is wrong and absurd, it is there, in their unconscious). This makes them defensive to the extreme, and not allowing properly criticizing CIG or CR - and thus destroying any oversight for the game there has ever been.

If ED wouldn't exist, there would be less pressure about their appearance "being wrong", and it would be more about CR failed promises. No doubt atmosphere towards CIG and CR would be very, very different.

You do know where the word fan came from, right because I think your psycho-analysis may be a bit narrow-minded. These people are no different than people who follow sports teams or any of the other myriad of competitive activities. There is no sunk cost fallacies nor is there some inferiority complex. All they are, are people who jive with what the game represents and are willing enough to risk their money, and most of them are, fully aware that things might not pan out.

Are there people that get too fanatical or are impulsive....sure, however, every group has those types of people too. How about instead of this us vs. them crap, lets remind ourselves that these are just people who are super excited about something that they have dreamed for a long time. I'm not saying that this justifies some people's behaviors, however.

Years of "amazing, first time tech" (horse nuts about first eve localized physics grid nonsense, "superiority middleware" for AI - has everyone has forgotten that one? OMG CryEngine awesome balls but can't do level streaming, nor hierarchy system required, nor do proper orbits and rotation, and anything else needed from space game really), "you will see, SC will destroy ED in next two years" and another nonsense.

What's worst I don't buy CR excuse for being dreamer anymore. I think he knows how it works and openly exploits people dreams without having a clue how to make it work. And I start to feel that other game designers CIG has staying to work with him are slowly becoming implicit in this "crime". Yes, we start to see some realistic gameplay for SC main game loop, still I feel too many bridges are burnt already for SC 1.0 to ever survive nuts storm.

You are certainly entitled to that opinion and I won't fault you for it but I fundamentally disagree. Although there has been some mishaps earlier in the building up of the company, anyone with a functioning brain can see that, CIG seems to have started to hit their stride. What all of this boils down to is your (everyone's) willingness to "excuse" CIG's behavior and antics. Some have a higher threshold, regardless of what has been donated/spent, than others which is perfectly fine.
 
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They won't without a court case and with a few exceptions the amounts of money involved by most people it's not worth it. It is $10,000 in retainer to get a good ligation firm to file the paper work and it is only going to go up from there. Costs could reach $100,000 pretty easy.

Yeah those are insane expenses, you could easily get anywhere between 10 and 125 Polaris jpegs for that!
 
More money that could be going to hard working developers of real games not designed to take advantage of peoples naivety its sickening to watch.

A big part, but not the worst IMO.

I have some problems with impulse control, a bit of an addictive personality and a bunch of traits that make life annoying but not quite to the point of having super powers (just ask my shrink and/or anyone that I know because I will distribute non-super annoyance with the best of them [where is it] )...

I can see why Star Citizen is tempting. I played the original Wing Commander and, although I could get the goal, wasn't in to it. If, however, it did talk to me then I'd be right in to SC.

Confession: although I have about 100 GBP in to ED in total I did also buy a new laptop to play it on.... and then another one after my bro blew up the first. Long story, beer involved. Elite, as opposed to Wing Commander, *did* talk to me. But I did take note of Frontier's record and watched a lot of alpha footage before putting any cash down.

If Wing Commander had been the game that tickled me then I could see myself deep in the situation.

CIG taking advantage of the nostalia plus the $$$ that ship purchases are, to me, is absolutely wrong, whatever the providence of the company behind it. The amount of money asked for an in-game item, whatever it is, is obscene.

"But for the grace of God go I" is why I'm so        g angry about SC. If I was a couple of years younger and rode the WC wave then I would be there.

The more I think about it the more angry I become.

(Apologies if off topic)

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You do know where the word fan came from, right because I think your psycho-analysis may be a bit narrow-minded. These people are no different than people who follow sports teams or any of the other myriad of competitive activities. There is no sunk cost fallacies nor is there some inferiority complex. All they are, are people who jive with what the game represents and are willing enough to risk their money, and most of them are, fully aware that things might not pan out.

Are there people that get too fanatical or are impulsive....sure, however, every group has those types of people too. How about instead of this us vs. them crap, lets remind ourselves that these are just people who are super excited about something that they have dreamed for a long time. I'm not saying that this justifies some people's behaviors, however.

Yeah, because as a Pompey fan I don't want to be represented by this guy, who is obviously a far bigger fan of the club than I'd ever be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Portsmouth_Football_Club_Westwood

AKA "The t**t with the bell"

*le sigh*

Star Citizens beware.

ANOTHER EDIT: Seriously. Whenever there's a televised match this guy is on camera. It's depressing. Whether even more depressing then having one of the most insane crews in the '80s is another matter... but that's just as bad (well, worse, as more people ended up in hospital).
 
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