The Star Citizen Thread v5

[McGlashan]

The part of Roberts' latest response that I don't understand is:

The deal wasn't fully finalized until after the release of 2.5 and we agreed with Amazon to announce the switch and partnership upon the release of 2.6, which would be the first release on Lumberyard and AWS.

Why would that need to be "agreed with Amazon"? Makes no difference to them when the switch is announced. Then he goes on to claim that, as you could tell from the production schedule, they intended to release 2.6 sooner, so that's why the announcement was delayed. Just wheels within wheels at this point.

 

[Zetta]

The part of Roberts' latest response that I don't understand is:



Why would that need to be "agreed with Amazon"? Makes no difference to them when the switch is announced. Then he goes on to claim that, as you could tell from the production schedule, they intended to release 2.6 sooner, so that's why the announcement was delayed. Just wheels within wheels at this point.

He's just trying to make it sound like there was some super secret deal happening as an excuse for not telling the actual people CIG are beholden to. He knows that informing people at the very last moment looks cowardly and this is his way of deflecting criticism.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

The part of Roberts' latest response that I don't understand is:



Why would that need to be "agreed with Amazon"? Makes no difference to them when the switch is announced. Then he goes on to claim that, as you could tell from the production schedule, they intended to release 2.6 sooner, so that's why the announcement was delayed. Just wheels within wheels at this point.

That part of announcement is pure in my opinion. I will guess that Amazon didn't require any agreement with CIG - CIG itself corrected article later on that CIG is just licenser of LY and GameLift, *nothing* else. It is to justify CIG being silent about it - thus selling ships while keeping this potentially impactful information under the wraps before they had something to carry sales pitch over (aka 2.6).

 

[DLewth]

Last year according to the CEO they stuck with CE 3.7 and skipped updating to CE 3.8, because of too much modifications to "StarEngine". Then suddenly they managed to jump to an entirely different branch by Amazon.

Is there any reason to believe anything told by CIG?

Well, if you believe what CIG say for "open development" you need locking up. But as to the CryEngine/StarEngine/Lumberyard stuff: It all depends on the internal function calls. It *might* be a massive issue, or it might be nothing.
So, Occams razor: 2.6 has the LY logo, and does SC stuff. They made it work.

 

[Stigbob]

He's just trying to make it sound like there was some super secret deal happening as an excuse for not telling the actual people CIG are beholden to. He knows that informing people at the very last moment looks cowardly and this is his way of deflecting criticism.

That and making it sound like a negotiated collaboration between industry giants as opposed to a desperate search for a replacement engine.

 

[DLewth]

I think we have been fooled. Getting amazon on board is a counter-revolution. That is the problem if you start a revolution through a company that makes money at the same time (by selling cliparts and polygons), somebody will buy the whole thing just before the real trouble starts (the release of 3.0 that will replace every other game on the market).

I bet you a cheese sandwich and beverage of your choice that if CIG folds, Amazon will own all the assets and be trying to make SC into a game.

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The part of Roberts' latest response that I don't understand is:



Why would that need to be "agreed with Amazon"? Makes no difference to them when the switch is announced. Then he goes on to claim that, as you could tell from the production schedule, they intended to release 2.6 sooner, so that's why the announcement was delayed. Just wheels within wheels at this point.

"Open Development"

Spoiler

 

[Leper Messiah]

Just from subreddit discussion where I engaged with some of them to see what's what.

* It is ok for them to see ED as lesser game - but ridiculing CIG, Chris or SC is huge no no (might be cultural difference);
* 'ED will die when SC will be released' is also very strong with these people;
* Apparently mocking around and 'we play with friends' is seen as huge plus for SC (which might be, just observations);
* It is obvious that many of them really don't want space game, but 'everything game' where they can do everything with friends. Space is just medium;
* They are misinformed what ED is and where ED goes to. They lack information beyond Horizons first release;

So their attitude towards ED is mostly siege mentality plus lack of information - and their pure defensive mechanism kicking in for ridiculing game they have pinned their hopes on. They see it as hate and evil thing to do.

I would say those are mostly twenty somethings, and early thirties.

As a long time lurker and occasional poster here I would say this thread is JUST as bad. It's primarily a place to rag on everything and anything to do with SC and there's very little of interesting reading from that camp. In fact from the point of view of someone wanting info about the game this thread is completely useless, but it's perfect for reading about people complaining ENDLESSLY about SC.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

As a long time lurker and occasional poster here I would say this thread is JUST as bad. It's primarily a place to rag on everything and anything to do with SC and there's very little of interesting reading from that camp. In fact from the point of view of someone wanting info about the game this thread is completely useless, but it's perfect for reading about people complaining ENDLESSLY about SC.

There's lot to complain about SC - and lot to complain about ED. Last time I checked everyone here is perfectly fine to see ED ridiculed - yes, we will argue back but we don't call for open bans. So no, it is not just as bad. Having your favorite game dissed doesn't mean there aren't positive comments here - in fact all of them are welcomed if they wouldn't get so banned quickly (usually by attacking messenger from other side). Ok, some of that 'positive messaging' feels openly grassrooting, but it is neither banned or any way limited on FD forums.

Every time we want to find something positive in what's happening in SC world all we see is lies, deceit, and sleazy marketing. Game mechanics? Not yet, hard to discuss them. Virtual assets? You can get better overviews elsewhere, threads aren't really for that. Some of regular posters have posted their 2.6 reviews, some of them positive, some of them negative. We discussed them. Why we go back at ridicule? Hard to say. Maybe we are allergic to marketing? Because game alone is nothing much to talk about yet.

 

[DLewth]

As a long time lurker and occasional poster here I would say this thread is JUST as bad. It's primarily a place to rag on everything and anything to do with SC and there's very little of interesting reading from that camp. In fact from the point of view of someone wanting info about the game this thread is completely useless, but it's perfect for reading about people complaining ENDLESSLY about SC.

If you want info on the game, look out for Rolan's posts. He's the only sane one here.
But there is a huge difference between this thread and the RSI forum/Reddit:

They are mainly enthusiastic, cheering Americans. We are mainly cynical, sarcastic Brits.

We might want the same thing, but we really are an ocean apart....

Edit: compare the ED reddits and the forum here. You'll see the same thing.

 

[ianw]

That and making it sound like a negotiated collaboration between industry giants as opposed to a desperate search for a replacement engine.

Classic business .

Our strategic technology partner.

Which translates as - the company that bills us every month for our use of their services and lets us use their software FOC - the software we're kind of stuck with since we used it from the off.

ETA - I composed this message with the help of my technology partner Microsoft - you may have heard of them!

 

[Viajero]

*Mod hat off

Other than the quote of Dan Winters (Amazon Digital Games' Head of Business Development) used by David Swofford himself at the RSI press release, and simply rehashed by most gaming sites out there, I have not found yet a statement by Amazon anywhere near their AWS, Lumberyard or game related portals about the CIG announcement or deal.

The AWS site has a few sections with client and partner names, references and case studies etc, where we can actually find Frontier's btw, but no trace of announcement press releases or anything similar for CIG / SC that I could find (apologies if missed).

I mean, I do not doubt that CIG may be now calling his engine source Lumberyard instead of CryEngine and be in contact or with Amazon etc. But Amazon, so far (and unless I missed it), does not seem to see this news with the same degree of relevancy. Given the kickstarter record braking nature of SC and the need for growth for a new born Lumberyard it seems a bit odd that amazon does not seem to use this event a bit more for a "photo op" at least.

 

[DLewth]

*Mod hat off

Other than the quote of Dan Winters (Amazon Digital Games' Head of Business Development) used by David Swofford himself at the RSI press release, and simply rehashed by most gaming sites out there, I have not found yet a statement by Amazon anywhere near their AWS, Lumberyard or game related portals about the CIG announcement or deal.

The AWS site has a few sections with client and partner names, references and case studies etc, where we can actually find Frontier's btw, but no trace of announcement press releases or anything similar for CIG / SC that I could find (apologies if missed).

I mean, I do not doubt that CIG may be now calling his engine source Lumberyard instead of CryEngine and be in contact or with Amazon etc. But Amazon, so far (and unless I missed it), does not seem to see this news with the same degree of relevancy. Given the kickstarter record braking nature of SC and the need for growth for a new born Lumberyard it seems a bit odd that amazon does not seem to use this event a bit more for a "photo op" at least.

The last year I can see figures for has their turnover well over $100,000,000,000. They wont be that exited about a kickstarter, even a fedelicious one.

 

[Viajero]

*Mod hat off

The last year I can see figures for has their turnover well over $100,000,000,000. They wont be that exited about a kickstarter, even a fedelicious one.

You mean Lumberyard made them that much already?

I could not find anything either in the Lumberyard related info. Not even a wee acknowledgement (unless I missed it, which is possible). Remember LY is a new product that probably needs to build awareness.

 

[Dooguk]

As a long time lurker and occasional poster here I would say this thread is JUST as bad. It's primarily a place to rag on everything and anything to do with SC and there's very little of interesting reading from that camp. In fact from the point of view of someone wanting info about the game this thread is completely useless, but it's perfect for reading about people complaining ENDLESSLY about SC.

I think you will find it's not complaining about SC, but pointing out how ridiculous the unobtainable 'dream' Roberts has sold to the fans is.

 

[DLewth]

Classic business .

Our strategic technology partner.

Which translates as - the company that bills us every month for our use of their services and lets us use their software FOC - the software we're kind of stuck with since we used it from the off.

ETA - I composed this message with the help of my technology partner Microsoft - you may have heard of them!

We reached a strategic agreement with our piscicultural suppliers today, wherein we exchanged an immediate capital injection for some much needed biodegradable produce. With Ketchup.

 

[metatheurgist]

I take the opportunity to kick SC in the nuts whenever I can. But only because I find the way SC fans flood the internet telling everyone to love SC or else extremely obnoxious. Otherwise I wouldn't give the contents of my toilet bowl about SC.

So SC fans, it's all your fault. [yesnod]

 

[Viajero]

*Mod hat off

I reached a strategic agreement with our piscicultural/chemical suppliers today, wherein we exhanged an immediate captal injection for some much needed biodegradable produce. With Ketchup.

Did you consider replacing the "ketchup" with some diluted acetic acid and some solanum tuberosum submerged in pre-heated lipids?

 

[DLewth]

*Mod hat off



You mean Lumberyard made them that much already?

I could not find anything either in the Lumberyard related info. Not even a wee acknowledgement (unless I missed it, which is possible). Remember LY is a new product that probably needs to build awareness.

I suspect they are aiming at Halo/CoD/ME stuff, not Cig. But a non-critical test bed will have its uses...

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Superheated solanum tuberosum with hot lipid processing was a small part of the deal, and our company stocks of acetic acid and sodium chloride with anti-caking agent are in good order.
(But I was out of ketchup. )

 

[Toumal]

Anyone thinking that switching to Lumberyard will enable "thousands of players in one instance" has had a little too much cool-aid. That ain't happening.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Anyone thinking that switching to Lumberyard will enable "thousands of players in one instance" has had a little too much cool-aid. That ain't happening.

Well with so little and specially vague information from "open development" project what did you expect? People will speculate. And yes, no one is safe from that, but it feels CIG actually want such speculation to take place actually.