The Star Citizen Thread v5

[Viajero]

*mod hat off

If and when...currently SC do not have both
Elite at least have one...and maybe a half of other part, but it depends on player preferences..

Ah, but remember that neither Slick nor Orlando have mentioned Elite at all in their posts . I am sure that is due to both of them being perfectly aware how Elite's galaxy stellar forge is probably (to a large extent at least) outwith the scope of Jim's sweeping generalization about "vast worlds", given its very specific and deliberate goal.

 

[Hydrino]

+1 Jim bringing in the pain truth again! Great video!
"A giant world of cardboard is far less impressive than a small world that actually feels alive." JS
TotalBiscuit also did great in the last video of the year! Keeping big corporates in check these handsome devils! [up]

I don't think JS can speak for all gamers any more than DS can speak for all game devs.

Are you insinuating that the giant go-anywhere sandbox world of ED is not impressive.

Are you further comparing it to an imaginary SC play area that does not exist?

 

[VidarSnipes]

Shamelessly stolen from the certain thread on a certain forum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4gw5f68H-s - few people attempting to land their fighters inside the Caterpillar modules and pretty much failing. One fighter fits in, but disappears from the view of an outside observer, the rest spasms around. Makes me wonder when they are going to finally make it work.

 

[GaryII]

*mod hat off



Ah, but remember that neither Slick nor Orlando have mentioned Elite at all in their posts . I am sure that is due to both of them being perfectly aware how Elite's galaxy stellar forge is probably (to a large extent at least) outwith the scope of Jim's sweeping generalization about "vast worlds", given its very specific and deliberate goal.

I doubt Jim knows about Elite (maybe I am wrong here..) but I can agree that Elite falls under boring vast worlds category...especially if "casual gamer" tries to play it..

If SC is ever released, maybe it will not have this issue, but at this moment its really hard to tell...

 

[CMDR_Orlando]

I don't think JS can speak for all gamers any more than DS can speak for all game devs.

Are you insinuating that the giant go-anywhere sandbox world of ED is not impressive.

Are you further comparing it to an imaginary SC play area that does not exist?

I would say that JS is more of a gamer than DS is a game dev. At least you can bet that JS already played and completed multiple awarded games and can distinguish good from bad while on the other side there's nothing worth mentioning in what gaming relates really.

What I'm saying is that JS translates very well in his video that size alone is nothing to brag about, meaningful and engaging living breathing worlds with carefully curated content is. Ofc that when you enter the world of persistent online universes for thousands/millions of players you are bound to have repetition , the best effort I've seen lately was in Elders Scroll Online but even there it felt short.

 

[VidarSnipes]

So, what's the discussion about engaging, living worlds doing in the Star Citizen thread?

 

[CMDR_Orlando]

So, what's the discussion about engaging, living worlds doing in the Star Citizen thread?

I guess the same as space legs does in every other Elite thread!

German mag PCGAMES full article on Star Citizen: http://imgur.com/a/vQixT

 

[DLewth]

I'm not entirely sure "repeatedly pressing the comms relay button" is what Jim meant by "meaningful gameplay". You might want to wait until there's more things to do before drawing attention to SC's content...

 

[VidarSnipes]

I guess the same as space legs does in every other Elite thread!

So hopes and dreams, got it.

 

[Viajero]

*Mod hat off

I doubt Jim knows about Elite (maybe I am wrong here..) but I can agree that Elite falls under boring vast worlds category...especially if "casual gamer" tries to play it..

If SC is ever released, maybe it will not have this issue, but at this moment its really hard to tell...

That is the point. I doubt very much that Braben had in mind to simply use "size alone to brag about" as Jim and Orlando say. Elite has a very specific goal of offering as accurate as possible a replica of all known and catalogued celestial objects (around 150,000 ish) including our complete solar system and the rest of the galaxy modeled based on actual cosmological principles. The 1:1 model of the actual known galaxy is a goal in itself, and it is something that offers a level of immersion and motivation to play and travel (akin to those that enjoy toying with "Space Engine") that has absolutely nothing to do with simply "bragging about size", although that bit is part of it aswell no doubt .

But I digress.

Coming back to Jim and Star Citizen, I hope that those who enjoy his opinions can also agree and appreciate the one where he discusses "free to play" and then what he calls "fee to pay":

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7811-Fee-to-Pay

If you follow his rational this late "fee to pay" category would be something where games like Star Citizen would squarely fall under (and also even Elite with its cosmetic skins to some extent, although he calls cosmetics "benign"). He even addresses the usual counters we hear in the Star Citizen community such as "those microtransactions are optional" or "you can get those items if you spend enough time in game"... His judgement is clear and severe to say the least

 

[CMDR_Orlando]

I'm not entirely sure "repeatedly pressing the comms relay button" is what Jim meant by "meaningful gameplay". You might want to wait until there's more things to do before drawing attention to SC's content...

It's not really what you do but how you do it EVA, FPS and the fact that other players can join and help/ruin the day makes it all much more "meaningful and engaging"! At least for me it does.

 

[frostypaw]

Shamelessly stolen from the certain thread on a certain forum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4gw5f68H-s - few people attempting to land their fighters inside the Caterpillar modules and pretty much failing. One fighter fits in, but disappears from the view of an outside observer, the rest spasms around. Makes me wonder when they are going to finally make it work.

That's the impressive local physics grids at work.

Who needs a galaxy of content when you can have a caterpillar full of lolz?

But ouch seriously? I'm guessing Sq42 coming out early next year won't include any ships docking with other ships then.

 

[Asp Explorer]

"you can get those items if you spend enough time in game"

Fantastic!

Where's my Idris?

 

[CMDR_Orlando]

That's the impressive local physics grids at work.

Who needs a galaxy of content when you can have a caterpillar full of lolz?

But ouch seriously? I'm guessing Sq42 coming out early next year won't include any ships docking with other ships then.

Squadron42 most definitely will have ships docking with other ships, the Idris will be a player HUB and we should launch from it with our fighter ala top gun as per the motion capture scenes shown indicate. Following ofc Mark Hamill , our grumpy mentor.

[video=youtube;HY_quiW967g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY_quiW967g[/video]

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Jim as far as I am aware knows ED and knows it is better than NMS (he has said it multiple times). What he is mostly talking about is moment-to-moment gameplay in that video, and SC has almost none of it at this point.

ED strongest point IS moment-to-moment gameplay. It has several weaknesses sure, some things feel underdeveloped (as exploration), but overall it never moment-to-moment gameplay that bothers people.

 

[ianw]

Orlando, is there any possibility that you might come up with an original opinion of your own?

Or are you just here to regurgitate promotional stuff and the opinions of others? *

* It's rhetorical, don't feel obliged to answer.

 

[VidarSnipes]

But ouch seriously? I'm guessing Sq42 coming out early next year won't include any ships docking with other ships then.

I guess they will just make the docking 'on rails', which will be a denial of their lofty claims of revolutionary technology and so on, but people who have praised CIG on that will be silent, and the rest won't care.

 

[CMDR_Orlando]

Orlando, is there any possibility that you might come up with an original opinion of your own?

Or are you just here to regurgitate promotional stuff and the opinions of others? *

* It's rhetorical, don't feel obliged to answer.

I'm sorry if my opinion is not what you expect but it's not that I'm agreeing with ya but I could ask you the same and that would be also entirely rhetorical as also pointless ofc. [big grin]

I guess they will just make the docking 'on rails', which will be a denial of their lofty claims of revolutionary technology and so on, but people who have praised CIG on that will be silent, and the rest won't care.

I guess they will not need to go down that path since they already hinted heavily that docking in and out of ships would be a thing.

 

[DLewth]

I guess they will just make the docking 'on rails', which will be a denial of their lofty claims of revolutionary technology and so on, but people who have praised CIG on that will be silent, and the rest won't care.

I'm sure Chris is mo-capping jpegs as we speak.

 

[ianw]

I'm sorry if my opinion is not what you expect but it's not that I'm agreeing with ya but I could ask you the same and that would be also entirely rhetorical as also pointless ofc. [big grin]

That's just the thing though - your opinion isn't "your" opinion - it's always someone else's - along with the videos, links to other people's opinions.

You can pretend it isn't - but it's kind of obvious to anyone who isn't you.

*cheesy grin*