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The Star Citizen Thread v5
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Indeed I don't see a "tech demo" but a game that isn't finished yet and is still missing quite few key parts but yeah you guys never ever exagerate...lol
Lol you guy get scraps of info here and there and think you can make accurate "estimates"...estimates are just wild guesses when you don't have a clue.
Here's some samples of bashing. I mean I don't agree that its all doom and gloom yet so ofc I must be a CIG shill...lol
Really there you have it you guys just want to bash on SC. This is a thread for talking about SC my behind, it's a thread for people to gather and bash it, be snarky and express hate and if you don't come in this thread with this mindset you're setting yourself up for a fail.
Really CIG has done lots of questionable stuff and I have said so in their forums and at mmorpg forums and they really need to get their manure together.
That said I just can't swallow all the hate, bitterness and general all round sith lordiness I see in this thread.
You're using those terms very strangely then. Derek is not an armchair dev, and no-one — not even he himself (which is saying something) — has ever called him a superdev. He's a guy who makes games on a small scale and who knows what goes into making them. From that perspective, he illustrates what can be done during what timeframe, and contrasts that against what CIG has done with orders of magnitude more resources. This is a good argument that they're doing something wrong.
The counter-argument — “well, your game is bad” — is not an argument. It just makes the exact same point again: that his having an order of magnitude less resources to spend on his game, his game is worse. And this is somehow supposed to make CIG look good in comparison? Their game looks better for having spent all that extra money on it? Big whoop.
I have all the facts I ever need to come to the conclusion that what they have now is a tech demo. Most noticeably: what they've released, what they've scheduled, what they've talked about, and what they've shown. It is a tech demo pretty much by very definition. This is not about crystal balls or predicting the future — it's about looking at the simple fact of what CIG has shown with their “open” development. Now, if you want to claim that CIG are just a bunch of liars who are deceiving their backers by not showing or telling them what's actually happening in the development of SC and SQ42, then that's on you, but I think at that point, you're the one using a crystal ball to replace some assumed lack of facts on your part.
Do you have anything to back any of the claims you made here? Or is it just a very pathetic attempt at a strawman argument because you don't have a real one to offer?
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This.
No we can't see any of whats going on in the company (so much for open development). But we can all see what's going in (if we believe GIGs own figures), and we can all see what's coming out. We can also see how long it is taking. There are many actual software developers telling anyone who will listen, how bad this project is looking and if any one is interested in my opinion (I am also a software developer), I think it's looking pretty dire. Even more worrying, we have professional project managers saying the same thing. We are not 'arm chair developers' we are professionals and these are informed opinions.
Also, remember that jpg that Chris trotted out to show that 1 CIG-dollar = 5 publisher-dollars…?
Apt time to quoted the fabled words.
I guess you really dont want to discuss the game. When people ask about it you dont respond to it but just start yelling everyone is so toxic and bitter and evil.
Why dont you discuss the game? And if you have nothing to discuss and only want to hurl insults, why are you here?
Is it just me or were those about the most terrible examples of anything? I mean it was literally just a few pretty bog standard opinions, not even anything extreme.
Silly comparisons aside, when you're focused on graphics to sell a game, I should hope that with over 500 people and $140m, that you have better visuals than an indie project. Aside from the fact that you used an engine notable for visuals and not much else.
Anyone buying LoD, knows what they're buying, what is going on with development, and will get the game they paid for - and at less than the thousands put into Star Citizen.
No it wasn't extreme it was like posts from the last five minutes which should give you an idea of what I am saying, this thread is join the club or and we will find petty reason to report your posts.
…but they do nothing of the kind. [???]
There were no comparisons in my post. I responded to a question about where the money went. I used my dev timeline and costs as a 'anecdote' in my response. You did the comparison - out of the Blue - and with no relevance other than to look foolish by asserting that, yeah, a $140m project had better have better visuals than an indie project.
Huh? The examples you posted show even less of that - there's nothing whatsoever there that has anything to do with people being reported or any such "only one opinion" nonsense..... where are you getting this from? I mean seriously because it's starting to seem a touch paranoid. You even quoted someone's quote of someone else who isn't even a member of this forum as part of that - how can that be evidence of "this thread is join the club or and we will find petty reason to report your posts" when that person isn't even a member here??
Well, thats how it goes. Someone really doesn't like criticism of Star Citizen, refuses to discuss the game or answer questions, repeatedly attacks random people here and then complains about being unfairly reported by mysterious forces. When pointed out he responds "no, you are stupid!". I think we've been down this road before. As Space Dandy clearly has no interest in any genuine discussion about the game I dont see why I should further indulge him. if he believes the game is running fine, more power to him. If he wants to just hurl insults, I've got better things to do.
So, anything interesting happening in the development of SC?
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And I repeat stop playing the victim card!
Stop trying to make me out as a white knight when I am far far from it. I don't need to defend CIG from every ludicrous statement or opinion that is being postulated as fact in this thread.
Insulting the intelligence of people in this thread my behind indeed.
You guys keep saying "discuss SC" but what you guys really mean is discuss SC in OUR manner with OUR mindset or we will drive you out of it with thinly veiled innuendo and insults.
So, anything interesting happening in the development of SC?
No, that whole invention of a new term to describe what everyone else has been doing for years was the latest thing. Again.
Well, thats how it goes. Someone really doesn't like criticism of Star Citizen, refuses to discuss the game or answer questions, repeatedly attacks random people here and then complains about being unfairly reported by mysterious forces. When pointed out he responds "no, you are stupid!". I think we've been down this road before. As Space Dandy clearly has no interest in any genuine discussion about the game I dont see why I should further indulge him. if he believes the game is running fine, more power to him. If he wants to just hurl insults, I've got better things to do.
So, anything interesting happening in the development of SC?
I don't mind criticism of SC I do it often myself. No you guys want ONLY that nothing else.
You really haven't been reading the thread, have you? [ugh]
There's almost nothing new to praise CIG for right now, and for informative posts there's Rolan.
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