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That approaches Post hoc ergo propter hoc ... which I can't give comparative examples for, due to moderation constraints.

Nah. It's just a pattern that started appearing some 3 years ago or so. And don't worry about comparative examples — they wouldn't change what CIG has been doing during that period anyway.
 
I believe gifted items are normally credited back to the original gifter (who CIG paid for it), not the recipient (who paid a 3rd party.) Which makes perfect sense, as CIG cannot be expected to keep track of 3rd party PayPal transactions.

Thats just great so this means ih his case that Grey market trader now gets paid again as he is the original gifter...thats just awesome he get paid 2x.....gj CIG feed the"GREYS"they are the ones that protect your interest.....
 
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Great so this means ih his case that Grey market trader now gets paid again as he is the original gifter...thats just awesome he get paid 2x.....gj CIG feed the"GREYS"they are the ones that protect your interest.....

Grey Market sales are exactly that. As I've said before, I have no problem with the Grey Market but there is the element of "buyer beware". If you get burned because you bought Grey Market and can't get a refund from CIG - that's your own fault.
 
Here's a vid that discussed customized characters back in September. Perhaps you missed it... but that sort of feature has been in development, and announced.

No one claimed they weren't working on it, or that it wasn't an intended feature, or an obvious and basic one for that type of game (more so for SC than for certain others). It's not in the live game though, is it? Just like most of the standalone tech they showcase. The point is that if it gets rushed into a forthcoming patch out of the blue (since that there's been no mention of it any time recently), it's because once again CIG are on the back foot, having to respond to developments in other games. So much for pioneering and revolutionising the genre.
 
The point is that if it gets rushed into a forthcoming patch out of the blue (since that there's been no mention of it any time recently), it's because once again CIG are on the back foot, having to respond to developments in other games.

Again: Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
 
...the game is getting killed (evidenced by the utter failure that is the current free fly) in gaming circles where it's the laughing stock now.

I'll tell you why I've never bothered with trying it under a free fly weekend and I suspect this will be the case for a lot of people. I'm under a 50GB per rolling 30 days fair use policy with my ISP. I looked at it once, got as far as seeing the size of the download and thought nope, not getting my bandwidth capped for the sake of fondling an immersion chariot for a weekend.
 
Again: Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

…and yet the pattern persists without much in the way of competing explanations. ;)
And every time, it just further reinforces how hollow their narratives of being pioneering and of having open development. Oh, and also of not having their whims directed by anyone else (good job me forgetting the most obvious one [hehe]).
 
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Grey Market sales are exactly that. As I've said before, I have no problem with the Grey Market but there is the element of "buyer beware". If you get burned because you bought Grey Market and can't get a refund from CIG - that's your own fault.

Yeah sure....they are "totally cool"...they also go around and "pollute"other sites with wall of commercial materials and usual CIG propaganda also they will say how game is GREAT but in meanwhile they will probablly play some other games instead but as you said thats perfectly fine and suckers are people who give them money not them or company who didn´t make sure that something like this never happens in first place....
 
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Star Citizen: Bugsmashers! - Player Move Requests
[video=youtube;fUaLb0-HGGg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUaLb0-HGGg[/video]
 
…and yet the pattern persists without much in the way of competing explanations.

Logic is a funny thing though; if you assert that CIG's actions are the direct result of responding to another game, you have to prove this with no exceptions. I don't have to prove the negative.
 
Logic is a funny thing though; if you assert that CIG's actions are the direct result of responding to another game, you have to prove this with no exceptions. I don't have to prove the negative.

Sure, but as yet, there aren't really any alternative explanations so we can stick with the one hypothesis we have.
 
Sure, but as yet, there aren't really any alternative explanations

I'm already planning to get a haircut tomorrow; I don't have a client meeting scheduled for Monday at the moment. If between tomorrow and Monday, a meeting is scheduled, then the haircut will not have been scheduled in order to look nice at the meeting.

One might say on Monday, "Oh, nice haircut. You wanted to look good for the meeting, didn't you?" They'd affirm that to be the reason why I got my hair cut, but they would be wrong. They might even point to a previous occasion, when I did get a haircut due to an upcoming meeting. But their belief as to "why" wouldn't actually be related to the reality of the matter.
 
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I'm already planning to get a haircut tomorrow; I don't have a client meeting scheduled for Monday at the moment. If between tomorrow and Monday, a meeting is scheduled, then the haircut will not have been scheduled in order to look nice at the meeting.

But that's not what we're talking about.

If you already put in your public calendar that you will be getting your nails done in a couple of weeks; then a meeting is scheduled for tomorrow, and you arrive at the meeting with your nails newly (but very poorly) done ahead of schedule, we know that your plan did not go off as… well… planned. And we have one thing to point to as the probable reason as to why, and why your hair is still a mess, which is what you probably really should address before a meeting. In addition, you can't (or won't, contrary to your stated communication policy) offer any other explanation why you arrive in such a disappointing state. This keeps happening when you have meetings scheduled.

Until a good alternative explanation for this pattern is presented, we can stick to our hypothesis that meetings really freak you out and mess up your beauty treatment schedule.

e: Gotta get those analogies in order…
 
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Seems to have gone under the radar here but new ship interior damage states were added to both the Caterpillar and the Starfarer and the fidelity looks almighty impressive as expected by Chris Roberts visual standards!

[video=youtube;rjCTXPq64tM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjCTXPq64tM[/video]

Still looking for a good Starfarer one. Whille were at it here's another impressive fan-made-movie using the new camera tools!

[video=youtube;RO_zg43jvuY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO_zg43jvuY&lc[/video]

Nice of Frontier to also add these kind of tools for ED as I'm sure that the community will make great use of them and we can expect more amazing sci-fi clips in the future!

Have fun Citizens!

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Moderator Notice: Use the spoiler tags in future please.
 
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Until a good alternative explanation for this pattern is presented, we can stick to our hypothesis

Of course, you can form whatever hypothesis you prefer. If you love gasoline, you can choose to hypothesize the earth is warming due to natural causes. If you detest gasoline, you can choose to hypothesize that burning it is warming the planet.

Gasoline may or may not be a large factor in the warming, but its impact has nothing to do with which hypothesis you prefer to endorse.

Similarly - if one's agenda is that "CIG is a scam", then likely you'll be in the "CIG only reacts to other games' announcements" camp. Showing examples of CIG announcing tech far before another game did, will do little to change opinion - as the litmus text will always begin with "CIG is a scam", and all data to the contrary will be either ignored or brushed aside.
 
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Of course, you can form whatever hypothesis you prefer.
Especially if it remains unchallenged and there are no better explanations for the repeated deviations from the plan.

e: Oh, and Orlando, please use spoiler tags.
 
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I dont think you score points in a race when you are the first to ANNOUNCE something. Whoever releases something FIRST also wins the race. People are claiming incredible stuff since the dawn of time aka thousands of years. We call them sharlatans if they produce as many results as CiG is at the moment :)
 
Especially if it remains unchallenged and there are no better explanations for the repeated deviations from the plan.

In this particular case, it's already been challenged and other explanations offered. CIG has been developing character creation for some time, and has already shown the tech. If it were to be released in the near future, it's logical to believe that this was within the planned timetable - instead of affirming that CIG coders worked 140 hour shifts to quickly release a new feature, due to another game's Youtube livestream.

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I dont think you score points in a race when you are the first to ANNOUNCE something. Whoever releases something FIRST also wins the race.

That sort of thing depends on the definition of "winning" a race, as well as defining the parameters of the "race" to begin with. SC certainly has things in the PU/PTU that some space games aren't offering...
 
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In this particular case, it's already been challenged and other explanations offered.
It really hasn't since we have yet to see what happens.

If it were to be released in the near future, it's logical to believe that this was within the planned timetable
If it were to be released in the near future, it's logical to believe that they would have put it on the lists of stuff to be released in the near future — especially since they've already made a big deal of it. The fact that the near-future list turned out to not depict the near future can be set aside for the moment.

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SC certainly has things in the PU/PTU that some space games aren't offering...
…such as…?
 
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