Well I for one don't understand how can anyone not be enthusiastic about Star Citizen at this juncture lol [big grin]
Lets just watch this thing from the other side of the fence, maybe it becomes appeareant then.
Remember back in 2014 how people doubted that CIG could create large seamless large maps in Cryengine? It got done.
The map isnt really large. People fly into its boundaries all the time. The ship animation when you get into and out of the pilots chair breaks the "seamless" part as well as its a hidden loading screen to "make you" the ship or your avatar. Immersion? Maybe so still a loading screen in disguise. As far as the space station / space goes theres nothing special about it. Games do building --> environment since I dont know when
Or that they couldn't make multiple physics grids work and allow for people seamless walk inside moving ships in a 3D environment while operating turrets, engaging in FPS or simply change seats? They did it.
Are you making this up? Has this ever been a claim? Also again the overuse of "seamless". Cryengines do that stuff....since I dont know when. Do you even know what seamless is supposed to mean in order to justify its use as far as CiG is concerned? Because the hype over seamless wasnt about mundane stuff as you describe. Its about stuff we didnt see yet apart from a cinebox presentation or maybe in-editor (but I doubt that)
That they wouldn't be able to "stitch" together the different modules of FPS, EVA, Multicrew, Space Flight into one cohesive package? They did it.
Is EVA a standalone module? Strange I didnt know. In Star Citizen EVA is in reality "falling off the edge" but that apart it never was a standalone module. Bloating up your list again? Star Marine is a stand-alone module. You cannot go from your ship into a star Marine match (at least not the 2.6.1 released version) and you cannot go from a SM match into the PU. No connection. Multicrew is not in yet so I wonder why you even put it into the list (several people on the same map is also a feature cryengine does right out the box....psssst.....that is NOT multi-crew). Arena Commander is a stand-alone module which you cannot reach from the PU or go into the PU from. Other modules you conveniently forgot (strange as you usually dont miss to point out the tiniest things, its not like you to forget stuff).
- Hangar (stand-alone, cant get to any of the other modules from it or from others into it)
- Arcorp (stand-alone) just a mini-map with nothing to do
- Racing module (stand-alone)
You are really only listing things that come integrated in the cryengine software right out the box. CiG didnt even have to DO anything to make these features work.
- FPS
- Falling off edges and flight
- underwater "flying"
So the modules of star citizen are not merged yet.
That they wouldn't be able to iron out FPS servers with good FPS and PING for more than 4-6-8-10-12-16-18 players? They did it.
Star Marine is a FPS but not really a "good" one. Thats left to be seen once it hits release and all the intended features get released. You make it sound like its done when SM is only available in its most barebone form and far from finished. Pre-emping the "and its already better then most other games" argument. Thats a personal opinion and seeing how twisted yours is going over your list of "achievements" I realize why its so dangerous to listen to you.
I dont even know why you list 4 and 6 and 18 in your little numerical "proof". Star Marine started out with 4v4 and has been enabled to support 8v8 by now. At least I m not aware there is a 9v9 map or mode. And the 8v8 maps I ve seen footage from have been private offline matches meaning its a local network which has pings from 50 to 200+. Nothing I would call "good" PING for a twich based game.
So "good" PING....still needs to be done.
That they wouldn't be able to do seamless planetary landings (TBF Chris Roberts himself said it wouldn't have at the beginning, before magic Germans and all). They did it.
As of right now they didnt. Seamless planetary landing is not in the game. The cinebox presentation you saw is NOT ingame. If you truly believe its the same then I know the reason for your twisted perception.
The progress is in plain sight, game keeps on getting better and better and we constantly see CIG actively seeking and pushing to make the best game possible!
Correction. The DREAM is in plain sight, the game doesnt really change in a meaningfull pace while eating up resources which are not on par with the progress displayed. We certainly see CiG looking around to OTHER games for features or ideas to implement. Nothing CiG has accomplished so far has a "unique" character or is incredibly well done. The ONE thing that would make Star Citizen stand out...seamless interaction throughout the game and all its modules is not implemented and from my point-of-view will not be implemented under cryengine. Until then, CiG makes sure to sell its current sub-par / desatrous content in combination with the dream.
If you want to counter any of the "lies" then feel free to go over Stigbobs list. Maybe it ll provide a wake-up call for you in case you are even able to read it. Derek Smarts list is not "our" list. Contrary to Chris Roberts and his cult we are a bunch of individuals which came to the same conclusion or are merely sceptical when it comes to impossible claims and like to have "hard facts" which in SCs case are non-existant apart from its shortcomings.
Your post does ONE thing really well tho.
It outlines the difference in opinion and also the cultists ability to make fantasy into facts. They simply SAY its like that even if reality shows a different picture and they say it so convincingly that I have no doubt you really believe what you say. Logical counter arguments or simple observations are swept aside because this is a "hater-thread" and everybody participating in it apart from the few knights in shining armor is a Smart-drone or a Smart cultist.
You see....listening to you the game does indeed seems to be FANTASTIC and only having your words for it its indeed the best game ever coming along nicely. The main problem is of course that whatever you describe doesnt match what the game is at the moment and a neutral analyzis of your list or opinion would simply rip it apart. The protection against that crushing analyzis is to retreat back into an echo chamber and just refute anything from other forums. Simply singing "lalala" is expected and understandable when you are mislead and deeply invested. Small kids do it when the world turns out to work differently then they like. If the harsh truth is crippling to onces dream then people tend to avoid seeing it. What you do is dangerous tho. You list and describe THEORETICAL scenarios and sell them as reality which basically is lying because very often (this current post of yours an example) you miss to point out that these features you talk about as if they are ingame already are SOON TO COME ("soon" is a trademark term by CiG). If you lie intentionally or simply because you are victim to the hype train...I dont know but any sane person will be able to see through your screen of deceptions.
Sadly that behaviour is spread widely among the SC-horde. Wallowing in the dream and theorycrafting acting as if the BDSSGE is already reality and then trying to SELL it that way to neutral bystanders. I ve recently went over some INN articles and was wondering if I missed out on some major updates because of all the stuff I read there. Only because I KNEW whats already implemented and in what state was I able to see through their lying claims. Their sentence structure is very carefully arranged and they make sure to keep the "soon-to-come" or "theory only" labels hidden in sidelines or integrated into mega sentences where they are easy to miss. All this tells me INN is intend to mislead and deceive its readers. And reading your posts I often believe you work for INN yourself or you read their articles a lil too often.
The FRONTIER thread is a very valuable source of information in my opinion. It does allow everybodies opinion. Forum rules count for all and are not designed to muzzle and neutralize negative opnions like the old RiS forums (or now the new unneeded version of it). That means you can state and defend your opinion and you need to do so in an adult manner. Verbal hemorrhaging and bullying tactics are forbidden and the mods do a fantastic job in here to prevent these. It also means that pro-SC arguments cannot be backed up in the usual manner which is a mass attack of abuse and repeat in order to "force" the dream down everybodies throats. So in here you are facing neutral stand-points and realistic assessments and all of a sudden Star Citizen doesnt look like the shining unicorn (aka unique) as you try to make it. You are given the opportunity and are actually prompted to provide source and proof for whatever you claim but fail all the time instead you come back with the only possible route of action. You attack and blame Derek Smart and you simply ignore these prompts telling yourself "they are not worth it....the SC haters" self-enforcing your dream in the process. Or you provide links which dont show what was asked.
By now it seems to me its kind of a game to you. Mocking us openly by repeating old arguments and stating obvious lies simply wasting my time. The real danger I see in your posts and its content is when I picture a neutral bystander trying to make up his mind stumbling over one of your posts which is un-opposed thinking its "good valuable information" and getting dragged into SC because of it. 45$ or 60$ is simply wasted if he decides to "give it a try". And your claims are indeed so fantastic (really....are you even PLAYING the game yourself?) that anybody who picks it up will realize very quickly that its a broken mess (patcher, loading screen hanging up, disconnects, lots and lots of bugs, features you try to sell non-existant) and not worth the prize.
Its not you personally. Its the content of your posts which triggers corrections and arguments. I m not saying you post these things merely to rile up the crowd (aka trolling) but it sure feels like it sometimes when you simply ignore past observations and investigations, sweep aside the time-wasting proof provided by others via links and analyzis. Rehash old arguments and generally simply pick what you respond to ignoring the things you cannot refute. The links and videos you provide are almost all demo-material created in cinebox which dont represent the game in its current state. You talk about future features or the intended end-result as if its reality already. When linking or discussing official in-game footage you usually pick out the cherries and refuse to see or discuss the other points. Regular joes gameplay footage is also ignored (because it shows the sad state SC is in) instead your source of "gameplay" footage is usually fan-made content which is polished and manipulated to look good.
Really, I often look to the "ignore" button just to be saved from the constant and undeserved praise Star Citizen gets from you.
I dont have a problem with SC-fans participating in the discussion. There are a few who actually do that very succesfully. Some others tho become just ignorent or abusive and actievly distract or tailor replies to troll the rest. And in the process lie the foundation for the "negative impression" the public has about the Star Citizen community. Its how you (not you personally) handle negative feedback and corrections that marks you as an adult and mature person. Viewing many contributions from past posters (now banned) on this forum or many comment sections on youtube and other third-party sites it just outlines that its mostly a bunch of kindergarten toddlers handling real-life money......dangerous combination but it enables Chris Roberts to finance his life.
