The Star Citizen Thread v5

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Evil_Merlin

Evil_Merlin
Osmanthus said:
Likewise, being late is not a guarantee the game will be good, e.g. Daikatana (whose development bears a whoooooole lot of similarities to Star Citizen's by the way, all the way down to dubious promotion of girlfriend/wife to a position it is not clear they're qualified for) or DNF.
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Based on the fact that CIG has pulled in nearly 150 million dollars to date, I'd say using her for marketing has been a damn good thing for the company as a whole.

And what does it matter what and whom he puts where? It is his private company to do with as he will.
 

Zyll Goliat

Zyll Goliat
WindWpn said:
Here is one piece of proof for you all.

I also just banked a new 1080ti into the rig along with a recent 2017 mobo, CPU, and RAM update, in prep for VR. Took a few seconds to pop this photo moments ago. Thus, there is some hardware running here to execute SC at 4k DSR on a 21:9 widescreen (though I did not photograph that yet). In SC I average 60+ fps in Star Marine and Arena Cmdr. 40s in PU on max graphics settings. Perhaps I can photo the FPS counter next time I am up (I use reshade 3+ in SC with FPS counter enabled), oh yea and perhaps pull a twitch stream for you all to see. I normally do not do streaming, but perhaps next time when up in SC to provide "proof!" :)

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How come you are able to have 40 fps in PU when is capped for all on 30 fps due to CIG "improved"(lame)networking?
 
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MTBFritz

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Show me where I "pretended" that CIG has given us anything more than what we do have.
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there you go "demanding" proof hehe. Just take his statement as it is maybe? Seems to work for youself, period. :D

We've probably all noticed a new pattern recently, unverified claims that star citizen contains "fun" and "works". When asked to provide sources these posters instead show pictures of their gaming rigs. This is an obvious and transparent attempt to plant the idea that that gaming satisfaction can only be achieved through spending more money, thus increasing the sale of jpegs.
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Very true that, I knew there was something familiar with how this one went down /grin
 
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ZeeWolf

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I don't buy into the fallacy (IMHO) that people are buying SC ships or ED paint-jobs to "support the game". I believe it's fairly common sense that they want something first and foremost, the whole "support" thing might be a nice affirming afterthought for them.

These products are not charities and I sincerely doubt the average SC backer puts the same kind of consideration and daily forum activity behind any real charity. I can't back that up, and if you want to believe that they are also putting millions behind Cancer research or something and discussing it passionately elsewhere - fair play to you.

If people just want to support either of these games then I question why they select certain ships rather than simply buying hundreds of Auroras? (or whatever paint job in ED) Why buy an expensive ship thus jumping hours of potential early game-play? Personally I believe that people want to *play* them game in meta form and to have something more interesting to do in the very very early Alpha. I think that SC in it's current PU Alpha form is a P2W game and CIG know this and use this to fund later development and you can talk about "supporting" the game as much as you like.

I personally backed years ago for an Aurora, found it boring and stupidly increased my pledge to a Freelancer under the pretence of "support" which I now believe to be a fallacy when indeed I just wanted to see if there was more to it. The very essence of a P2W scheme.

I don't think it's appropriate for a "crowd funding" game to take money in this manner endlessly without an apparent plan or consistent release date. I don't believe this criticism should simply be labelled as "hate" and brushed up under the carpet. I don't equate these kinds of purchases as being anything like the cosmetic purchase of items related to a released product able to stand up on it's own merits but happy for those arguments to take place in the relevant forums and yes Frontier should continue to take healthy criticism on how they fund ED in a similar manner, also not labelled as "hate".

If any of the big publishers decided to fund a game with pre-orders perhaps decades before release and continue to take funds on the purchase of assets and an unfinished level or two I doubt they would be celebrated. It's a poor model for the industry and poor consumerism and it SHOULD suffer critique even if they do eventually pull it off so that nobody else tries it again.
 
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Witzo

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What amazes me is that there are people who think it is a decent thing to ask hundreds of dollars for
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- preorders
- paintjobs
- vanity items
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as video game graphics, and that there are people who think it is a good thing to pay that for it.
 
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Osmanthus

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Evil_Merlin said:
Based on the fact that CIG has pulled in nearly 150 million dollars to date, I'd say using her for marketing has been a damn good thing for the company as a whole.

And what does it matter what and whom he puts where? It is his private company to do with as he will.
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It's an interesting comparison, not a criticism in itself. (Although let's not forget the terrible acting, and she has top billing in SQ42)

I note you completely ignore my point.
 
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Azirphaeli

Azirphaeli
Evil_Merlin said:
Have you actually seen the changes in the early releases til now? Seems like a whole lot of motion to me.

Can you verify that Exploration in Elite is fun? Because to me it is boring dull and utterly exhausting.

How do I "prove" I am having fun to anyone other than myself?

How can people provide sources that it is fun other than their own personal opinion?

Looking at the Star Citizen reddit shows that it seems plenty of people are having fun.
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I can point to people on youtube playing elite, exploring, and enjoying it. Whether you decide that it's fun for you is an entirely different manner but at least the video exists. People don't say "Oh I can stream Elite but.. you know, it's just a lot of fun and you can buy the game and see for yourself here's a photo of my 1080ti."

Besides, everyone knows the real reason that videos are being asked for, and it's not to see condensed "fun." It's to see the game running as people claim: at a good FPS consistently, low lag, with little to no bugs and glitches interrupting their gameplay, etc.. People make these claims and yet, somehow, lack any proof of this despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. That's the problem.
 

dsmart

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I think the rings still rotate and destroy anything that gets in the way, but they just don't visibly spin because that was as broken as the tutorial and "fixed" in the same way.
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They left the collision mesh in-place; that's why people are still crashing into and getting destroyed.

They don't rotate because the parent entity is messed up and they can't somehow get the animation (ring) to stay in sync.

So they disabled it. But left the collision mesh in-place. Because reasons.

ps: It used to fall off. Now it doesn't. So that's progress, I guess.

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WindWpn said:
Well, had quite an enjoyable experience in SC last night on the latest 2.6.3 patch! Entered the PU and took on the Covalex mission in my trusty Aurora LN. Flew out to the derelict spaceport and saw a few other ships there. Went inside via EVA and explored while finding/reading the various data pads. Eventually someone showed up and destroyed all the ships including mine, at which point I was trapped at the derelict spaceport. However, once I EVAed out to space, there was a MISC Freelancer there adrift in space. I was able to EVA into the Freelancer, brought the ship under control, and flew it back to Port Olisar where I landed, walked into the station, switched into my port clothes and went shopping. Following, I decided it was time to head out to Yela. So called up the Aurora, donned the flight suit walked out though airlock and up gantry to my ship and disembarked. Upon arrival at Yela, soon came across two derelict MISC Starfarers among the asteroid field. EVAed out of my Aurora and went exploring in and around the large ships. Explored the interiors with my suit torch light and the many corridors and rooms within the ship. Found a few datapads with some detail of past life on the ship along with some weapons in opened glowing crates. Eventually, it was time to head back to Olisar and when I exited one of the ships, there was a 300i sitting out among wreckage of the large ships. As I neared the ship, another Citizen was there, and we did the usual EVA spins, etc... but then I decided to simply enter the ship to take the helm. I entered the 300 and he followed. I took the drivers seat and flew us both back to Olisar.

The "experience" here is that SC truly has it right when it comes to "space legs." Granted its still alpha, but there is real experience there. It was fun, fulfilling, and thrilling to experience and it will be quite interesting if/when 3.0 drops and we have the complete Stanton System. If the fidelity, which currently exists around Crusader and its moons, happens, it will be really worth the large sum of crowdfunding raised!

Oh yea and performance was excellent on my session last night!
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LOL!! Yeah, OK. Videos and shots, or it didn't happen.
 

Evil_Merlin

Evil_Merlin
Azirphaeli said:
I can point to people on youtube playing elite, exploring, and enjoying it. Whether you decide that it's fun for you is an entirely different manner but at least the video exists. People don't say "Oh I can stream Elite but.. you know, it's just a lot of fun and you can buy the game and see for yourself here's a photo of my 1080ti."

Besides, everyone knows the real reason that videos are being asked for, and it's not to see condensed "fun." It's to see the game running as people claim: at a good FPS consistently, low lag, with little to no bugs and glitches interrupting their gameplay, etc.. People make these claims and yet, somehow, lack any proof of this despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. That's the problem.
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I can do the same thing with Star Citizen. There are plenty of people on YouTube playing Star Citizen, exploring, and enjoying it.

The videos exist. LOTS of them.

To claim otherwise is just showing you haven't looked.

Here is a hint, in the YouTube search window, type Star Citizen. Seems to work fine for me and seems to be LOTS AND LOTS of videos to choose from. From people showing off ships, hangars, Star Marine, the shop world...
 

dayrth

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dayrth
Evil_Merlin said:
Based on the fact that CIG has pulled in nearly 150 million dollars to date, I'd say using her for marketing has been a damn good thing for the company as a whole.

And what does it matter what and whom he puts where? It is his private company to do with as he will.
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It's $150 million of other peoples money. It doesn't become CIG's money until they deliver what was paid for. Once they do that you can call the marketing a success. Until then all they have done is amassed debt, an enormous amount of debt.

What Chris does in his 'private company' does matter for the same reason. He is doing it with OTHER PEOPLES MONEY. Those people have a perfect right to question what it is being spent on.
 
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dsmart

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Evil_Merlin said:
I really don't get it.


SC is simply another space game.


And thus far its in alpha, so yeah, there are a lot of bugs.

Yeah its late.

I just don't understand the hate.

I've played Star Citizen. I find it rather amazing that there is that much detail in a "JPEG spaceship". And that they fly, fight and land/take off. Apparently there is much more they will be able to do shortly too.


I have a Drake Herald. The level of detail is downright stunning. And I can fly it in game, right now. The level of detail in that one ship is far far beyond anything currently in Elite or Line of Defense. Sounds good too.

Yep, all I can do is pew-pew with it, but its still damn impressive this early in the design of the game.


Are people just upset that the game is late? No one forces people to spend money on the game, any more than Frontier is forcing me to buy paint jobs for my JPEG ships in Elite. So exactly what is the big deal?


Are people mad that some people want to spend 15000 on a video game? Is it jealousy? I'm not sure, but do you also hate on people because they put 100k downpayment to a future space flight 10 years before the flight is available or even before the system to get them into space is available? Or putting 25000 down on a car to be released in 3-4 years?


Looks like someone is using this forum to do nothing more than spread his conspiracies and bluster.


As for fun, there seem to be plenty of people having fun with Star Citizen. Heck some people even say Elite Dangerous isn't fun.
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Dissenting "opinions" have been the staple of gaming for decades. Where have you been? Why does dissent have to equal "hate"?
 
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WindWpn

WindWpn
Stigbob said:
We've probably all noticed a new pattern recently, unverified claims that star citizen contains "fun" and "works". When asked to provide sources these posters instead show pictures of their gaming rigs. This is an obvious and transparent attempt to plant the idea that that gaming satisfaction can only be achieved through spending more money, thus increasing the sale of jpegs.
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heh!
 

dsmart

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Evil_Merlin said:
You are not reading the same threads I am, people seem to get downright violent when someone says they like or support Star Citizen.

Yep, the game is late. I totally get that.

But in my mind I would rather it be late than a mess like say NMS was.

I never saw anyone from CIG threaten that they won't finish it if they don't get more money. Not once.


And after reading Derek Smart claim that Chris Roberts said that 3.0 was coming in 2016, it doesn't say that at all, he clearly said that's the goal, but he isn't making any promises.

Do people have pity for those that spent $500+ on the Kickstarter for Elite Dangerous?

I've spent about $250 for both. And I think it was money spent well.
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(1) LOL!! seriously?

(2) Shirley you jest. You should probably try watching - and listening to - the presentation in slo-mo.

ps: It's now + 3 months since that proclamation. So, the explanation is what now?
 
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Evil_Merlin

Evil_Merlin
dsmart said:
Dissenting "opinions" have been the staple of gaming for decades. Where have you been? Why does dissent have to equal "hate"?
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Are you being serious?

of course folks are entitled to have opinions.


However some people spend most of their time doing nothing but posting negative comments on Frontier's Forums, blogs, twitter and what not. Just because they think they are special or have super insight.


Fact of the matter is people do have fun with both Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous. I'm one of them. I've backed both games from Kickstarter and I'm still glad I did.
 

dsmart

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dayrth said:
It's $150 million of other peoples money. It doesn't become CIG's money until they deliver what was paid for. Once they do that you can call the marketing a success. Until then all they have done is amassed debt, an enormous amount of debt.

What Chris does in his 'private company' does matter for the same reason. He is doing it with OTHER PEOPLES MONEY. Those people have a perfect right to question what it is being spent on.
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Yes. Which is why several State attorneys have gone after crowd-funded companies for those exact reasons. Which is also why when contacted by the CA State officials over refunds, suddenly SC refunds were a thing. Like magic. Nobody wants the State or Fed officials all up in their business.
 
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