The Star Citizen Thread v5

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jcrg99

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Right - SC will be dead in 90 days. But a different 90 days - not the 90 days you mentioned 2 years ago. Or last Summer.

Because #sources.

He was wrong. Star Citizen has been dead since 2013. They are just keeping the corpse with enough make up, so you give them more money. But, eventually, they will have to tell the true, or people will figure out the true. Some probably will have donated so much money, will suffer of such level of denial, that will lead them to a level of craziness to think that the corpse delivered is actually something alive, that is actually "Star Citizen", the game-as-promised... but its not. That one is dead... since 2013.
 
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Ah thanks! That's a lot clearer. It was kind of stuck in my head that SC was the largest crowdfunded game ever, so I automatically thought most of the initial $6M USD of funding was all from Kickstarter.

Interesting to see that SC wasn't the largest kickstarter fund for games.

SC IS the largest crowdfunded game ever though I think if they include all the revenue streams - i.e. the 150M amount.

Still a crazy amount of money that may be down the proverbial <<USE>> Toilet.
 
Here's the thing that you seem to forget. Star Citizen fans and Chris Roberts bad mouthed the entire game industry at the begin and along this crowdfunding campaign. They all, basically, generalized the entire industry and the publisher business, as bad, evil and just "one more Call of Duty".
That was totally unfair and disrespectful with many many developers, even with the Call of Duty ones, which actually, are much better than any that Roberts produced so far, even the worst game of such franchise. Guess what, with all the inovation, new franchises, rebooted franchises, etc. that came from the hands of publishers and many developers to PC and consoles... all good to great material.

Still, you all compared that as pure garbage and even went beyond to claim that they just care with money and what they produce are not worthy of the money that you spend, because they rush their games to sell DCL's , etc.

Ok! We all agreed that the industry was not perfet and some greedy existed. STILL, what was the solution for that?

Roberts just brought speech and made something that never the worst of the publisher did. Directly false advertising their products at the same time that selling it for THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, and not just the product as a whole, but individual in-game assets of such non-existent product. And then, after fully funded and according with their own speech, with no SERIOUS reason to continue, they continued... and for that, promised things without having any care with the feasibility, with promises made to consumers, suddenly throwing all that to the window and obligating people to swallow all that, because some drunk people were all ok to continue to be drunk (by the Roberts promises and eternal theorycrafting and no funny/bad shows).

And THEN, 2014, the first estimated passed, 2015/16/17 and even 18 already passed (As we already know looking to the features promised until there, still not accomplishing even in the best case scenario with the game-as-promised... for 2014). Roberts ALWAYS promised that ANY of its module releases ALL delayed, would "worth the wait", and that people should have patience because would be worthy... they were all empty promises.. they were all rushed, bugged, unfinished, incomplete and over-hyped (At a level that is much superior to any other false advertiser of the history of the game industry, making people to spend thousands and thousands of dollars between those waits, hyped by their hype-machine).

So, Roberts was arrogant from the start. Provoked, challenged, and said that was better than anyone else, again, directly and indirectly. And he was not even average in results. He delivered true GARBAGE! A non-game. A tech demo. With 0.5% of the features promised and these 0.5% are even far to be considered finished. The rest of 99.5% of features promised and that should be a guarantee when people gave them 6 million dollars has been vaporware, since the end of 2014, when was promised the "FINISHED" product, or worst case scenario end of 2015.

And then, you guys come now and play the VICTIM CARD????

! You were the haters of the game industry from the start. Were ashamed by your lack of results, and now, want a free pass and acceptance? Any game developer who make 1% of bad things that Roberts did and have been doing, were destroyed by press and public criticism. Even worst when in some point they were arrogant. And Roberts broke the Guinness Book of Records of arrogance and disrespect to the entire industry!

He deserves to be destroyed by critics, yes. If there is one developer who deserves that, that is Roberts. If there is one arrogant community that deserve that, its yours.

But nobody hates your project, regardless all the arrogance demonstrated. We all wanted that to be true. The problem that it's not. And what people involved wants or make "campaigns", is to inform other people that giving money to this project is a waste and probably the person will end disappointed (or lying to itself and ashaming itself when trying to defend something that cannot be defended). And that giving more money to the SC cause only makes the things worst for the cause itself. And that has a serious negative impact to the game industry that probably will be felt for years, while Roberts and Sandi laugh in their trips to Monaco, with their pockets with more money that they could dream to have, when started all this show.

I'm trying to get my head around your wall of text.

Is it:

1. Croberts is bad.
2. You the community are all bad.

??
 

jcrg99

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Ah thanks! That's a lot clearer. It was kind of stuck in my head that SC was the largest crowdfunded game ever, so I automatically thought most of the initial $6M USD of funding was all from Kickstarter.

Interesting to see that SC wasn't the largest kickstarter fund for games.

SC IS the largest crowdfunded game ever though I think if they include all the revenue streams - i.e. the 150M amount.

Still a crazy amount of money that may be down the proverbial <<USE>> Toilet.

Their financial status is all something made up by the whales. It's definitly NOT a success... still that is song by many people looking to it superficially, as a success.

Actually, the true is... that it represents a big failure.

The ultimate proof that demonstrates that this game IS a failure of interest and popularity is how they made 80 or 90% of all this money.

We all know that wasn't by the ship/jpeg sales and their ridiculous prices this game NEVER would be funded.

It was ALWAYS very few people, going crazy, pledging more and more, both at Kickstarter and through their RSI website. I think that its even unfair with other campaigns to be compared, because in general, the others just sold packages, copies of the game with some rewards, instead individual in-game items by ridiculous ticket prices, and for so long, even after the end of the KS campaign.

If you compare ED results with SC results, removing how much money SC earned by selling individual ships, outside of game packages, that pretty much puts SC not just with a worst result, but probably, as a NOT-FUNDED game.

Which explain how easily Roberts and co. point the middle-finger to the average buyer, totally focusing to please and say what these whales want to hear, just saying whatever is necessary to keep them hyped, to feed their dreams and need to "role play" a game under development and "been part of it". Their entire focus are on these people, because in the end of the day, they are the ones who kept this thing (which was a game under development but became just a show) alive from the start, while the rest, barely made a difference and in fact, usually are the ones who criticize and require them more results, while those who paid more, basically have no requirement, are in, just for the show.
 
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jcrg99

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I'm trying to get my head around your wall of text.

Is it:

1. Croberts is bad.
2. You the community are all bad.

??

Star Citizens and CR and co. love to play the victim card. They are the ones who attacked the entire game industry, consoles, etc. in the first place. And many years of free pass were give to them so they proved that were really capable to "teach" the game industry how this business should work. They failed. All the time. It was a shame. And now, when all those people that were attacked and/or have their work extremely criticized by Star Citizens and Roberts brings to them the fair criticism (specially when their work was criticized and destroyed sometimes, for much less thatn Roberts and these people did and said), specially due their demonstrated arrogance from the start, they want to play the victim card, that its unfair, that they should get more free pass and free time to continue to make bold claims, to continue to claim that the industry is garbage and they are the good ones, the saviors, etc. etc.

Sorry. They won't get it.
 
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Star Citizens and CR and co. love to play the victim card. They are the ones who attacked the entire game industry, consoles, etc. in the first place. And many years of free pass were give to them so they proved that were really capable to "teach" the game industry how this business should work. They failed. All the time. It was a shame. And now, when all those people that were attacked and/or have their work extremely criticized by Star Citizens and Roberts brings to them the fair criticism (specially when their work was criticized and destroyed sometimes, for much less thatn Roberts and these people did and said), specially due their demonstrated arrogance from the start, they want to play the victim card, that its unfair, that they should get more free pass and free time to continue to make bold claims, to continue to claim that the industry is garbage and they are the good ones, the saviors, etc. etc.

Sorry. They won't get it.

Thanks, that's a lot clearer :)
 
You have to admit Derek is no more inaccurate than Chris Roberts when it comes to Star Citizen information, which is quite an achievement considering CR is allegedly making the movie/game.

Derek also isn't diving into a Scrooge McDuck money pit based entirely on those inaccuracies.

You can also think of it in terms of "could SC survive 90 days if everyone stopped giving CIG money?". Because the sole reason they're still around is because of people continuing to throw money at Roberts like it's going out of fashion. DS also claimed SC would need more than $150m to be completed, which seemed like an absurd amount at the time, even to the loyalists. But it turned out he was right, which in itself explains why the project is still alive (if you can call it that).

So, basically, in their eagerness to discredit DS by keeping development on life support for as long as possible, they actually fulfilled another of his prophecies. Good job!
 
Ask on the star citizen reddit and prepare for the downvotes and flaming. They tend to get a bit touchy about this these days.

Also you will get comments like:

"It will be ready when its ready"
"Its beta!"
"Its alpha!"
"CIG can take as long as they want in order to make the game perfect"
"Most AAA games take at least 5... 10... 15 years to make!"
"Go away troll"
"You're a Derek Smart alt. Go away Derek"


Don't forget these ones:

"Quality! Chris won't compromise on the quality."
"Of course it's not pay-to-win!"
"See you in the 'verse! SoonTM
 
And which "sides" would those be?

Your side, their side, and the truth
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Here's the thing that you seem to forget. Star Citizen fans and Chris Roberts bad mouthed the entire game industry at the begin and along this crowdfunding campaign. They all, basically, generalized the entire industry and the publisher business, as bad, evil and just "one more Call of Duty".
That was totally unfair and disrespectful with many many developers, even with the Call of Duty ones, which actually, are much better than any that Roberts produced so far, even the worst game of such franchise. Guess what, with all the inovation, new franchises, rebooted franchises, etc. that came from the hands of publishers and many developers to PC and consoles... all good to great material.

It's also worth remembering that Chris has a long-established habit of doing that. The story of the WC1 engine has been told time and time again, as has the outrageous nonsense he put into the Strike Commander manual. And then, of course, there's the origin of that “hate campaign” — a fairly reasonable (and now proven true) feasibility analysis, that made Chris go off like a roman candle, inventing all kinds of ridiculous accusations and inserting them into the most senseless context (Escapist letter, I'm looking at you…). This was then picked up by the faithful who did the only sensible thing ever: they made a reddit hate sub. Because they're the “victims.”

…the word “sensible” might not be used in a way that's entirely according to norm here. And it's not like this is an outlier either — there are quite a few episodes where the community has lashed out at and punished people for making good and cogent points.
 
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It's also worth remembering that Chris has a long-established habit of doing that. The story of the WC1 engine has been told time and time again, as has the outrageous nonsense he put into the Strike Commander manual. And then, of course, there's the origin of that “hate campaign” — a fairly reasonable (and now proven true) feasibility analysis, that made Chris go off like a roman candle, inventing all kinds of ridiculous accusations and inserting them into the most senseless context (Escapist letter, I'm looking at you…). This was then picked up by the faithful who did the only sensible thing ever: they made a reddit hate sub. Because they're the “victims.”

…the word “sensible” might not be used in a way that's entirely according to norm here. And it's not like this is an outlier either — there are quite a few episodes where the community has lashed out at and punished people for making good and cogent points.

Repped because of Kosh.
 
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Your side, their side, and the truth
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/be/B5_kosh01b.jpg



It's also worth remembering that Chris has a long-established habit of doing that. The story of the WC1 engine has been told time and time again, as has the outrageous nonsense he put into the Strike Commander manual. And then, of course, there's the origin of that “hate campaign” — a fairly reasonable (and now proven true) feasibility analysis, that made Chris go off like a roman candle, inventing all kinds of ridiculous accusations and inserting them into the most senseless context (Escapist letter, I'm looking at you…). This was then picked up by the faithful who did the only sensible thing ever: they made a reddit hate sub. Because they're the “victims.”

…the word “sensible” might not be used in a way that's entirely according to norm here. And it's not like this is an outlier either — there are quite a few episodes where the community has lashed out at and punished people for making good and cogent points.

Nice Kosh brother
 

dsmart

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Thanks for the heads up, but...

Aren't you opening yourself up for a lawsuit? If they fail they could blame it on you for scaremongering? I realise you may be telling the truth. Not that I think CiG would lawsuit you, cause they'd be spending backer money to do it. Nonetheless...

No. The law doesn't work like that. At least not here in the US.
 

dsmart

Banned
After Chris Roberts spent eight hours writing a reply to the escapist that named Dr Smart twenty four times despite him not featuring in the story ?, no he's laughing because CIG flung poop at him first publicly via the media arguably triggering all the hate Derek's been receiving ever since.

If you pick a fight and lose, you don't automatically become the victim you are just an idiot who picked a foolish fight.

And it's even worse for them because they've since pulled that defamatory missive from their site; though my blogs are still up. And they are up because I stand by what I wrote, with no reason to remove them because I haven't broken any laws. Him on the other hand, landed himself personally, and CIG, in a major liability noose with his infantile defamatory diatribe.
 
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dsmart

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It isn't just someone. It a fellow developer. With a hate campaine. All the dev in the world do not publicly citisize fellow devs. But hate campaine wil have its result. It does can have a major influence if people are going to back it or not. He is the front man of large hate campain against CiG by hate campaine community.

MMO in the league of near triple A a 5 to 10 years productions till release where 5 are the older and 10 are the future. There are MMO with a 7 year production time. Because PC got powerfull so games can become bigger and complexer. Much more is possible. But al that need to be produced. And interworkings of features need to be work out.

So I expect at least a 7 year production and with dev who want to do it well and have it done wenn it done menality. Which is doable wenn you got financial backing. It is how that production roles.

How ever this finacial backing is undermind by a hate campain. And people do get influence by it.

So it could be that this campaine can be be SC downfall.

But then again listen to so much hater I got the impression they canceld in 2016. But mij impression of SC that there is large progress in large underconstruction game.
I see the Reclaimer is in asset production.

My take on it. This huge game it make no sense to check progress every hour even not every day. Not every week. A month its on the edge. A 3 months. Unless you are a backer that want to contribute to it production 3 month check is enough up to 6 month.

My own situation I need to build a modern game rig as mine is 8 years old. With early quadcore in it.

2020 is date where you could expect large progres of a release , as that is a 7 year cycle of full production of big mmo that CiG has burn through.

It is normal dat you hear more from MMO wenn they are far into production as then its time to marketing is en for regular communnity feedback. These production have many years silently in production.
Where hate campain started early on after the got more then indy game of fundings.

That can't be good for marketing.

Thank God that 1) I live in a country where there are actual laws 2) people like you who don't know how the law works, get to continue to provide lol fodder.
 

dsmart

Banned
3 players + 5 Merlins = major lag

Don't worry though, 3.0 "server mesh" is going to fix everything

[video=youtube;w1AahqF9kHY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1AahqF9kHY[/video]
 
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Here's the thing that you seem to forget. Star Citizen fans and Chris Roberts bad mouthed the entire game industry at the begin
It was a well deserved action/response/claim at that time (2012)... At that time there was a very long painful drought of pc centric games that started on ps3/360 era.

Things only started to change on the last 3 years.
 
It was a well deserved action/response/claim at that time (2012)... At that time there was a very long painful drought of pc centric games that started on ps3/360 era.

Things only started to change on the last 3 years.

An it wasn't some revolutionary games that change that nor the fact that crowdfunders became viable means of raising funds.
No what save PC gaming is the likes of Unity3d and Unreal engine becoming cheap enough that a studio of any size could use them and build games on them, an they could look as good as triple a games and the pudding on top was the fact that PS4 and Xbone are essentially PCs, allowing easy ports between PC and the consoles and to a lesser extent Android and iOS all using two fairly easy to use gaming engine.
 
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An it wasn't some revolutionary games that change that nor the fact that crowdfunders became viable means of raising funds.
No what save PC gaming is the likes of Unity3d and Unreal engine becoming cheap enough that a studio of any size could use them and build games on them, an they could look as good as triple a games and the pudding on top was the fact that PS4 and Xbone are essentially PCs, allowing easy ports between PC and the consoles and to a lesser extent Android and iOS all using two fairly easy to use gaming engine.

Cheap engine is one factor but crowdfunding is also an important factor, as well as steam and it's certain features.
 
Ah thanks! That's a lot clearer. It was kind of stuck in my head that SC was the largest crowdfunded game ever, so I automatically thought most of the initial $6M USD of funding was all from Kickstarter.

Interesting to see that SC wasn't the largest kickstarter fund for games.

SC IS the largest crowdfunded game ever though I think if they include all the revenue streams - i.e. the 150M amount.

Still a crazy amount of money that may be down the proverbial <<USE>> Toilet.

Actually, in relation to this, one of the SC fans raised something for me that is another red flag. We were discussing CIGs use of their funds, when they said CIG are free to do whatever they want with the money they got (seriously, they said this). Then they pointed out (seemingly without concern) that the money raised through the CIG website (the vast majority of it) isn't convered by the same protection that covers backers who backed via kickstarter. And they seemed fine with this.

I haven't checked the legal stuff on RSIs website regarding what they promise and how binding on CIG it would be, but if this poster is right, it would mean CIG are free to never deliver on any of their promises regarding funds raised via the RSI website, only on the kickstarter stuff. And if they fail, they only need to refund the kickstarter funds.

Scary thought!
 
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