Yes don't really want to complain too hard about the exploits because people might well start arguing the 'crack train' which you did use passes the TOS test of a exploit, and reduced your time sinks.
Tell that to RNG.
My 2nd account's Conda has 65% HD booster (2nd one is 62%) and 15% resistance booster (2nd one is 13.4%). All of these were rolled with less than 10 tries, believe or not.
It also has a 54% FSD which I got at 4th roll.
Boosters are notoriously among the easiest, if not the easiest, modules to god roll.
However, I completely understand your point. But a single case of "I rolled a couple of modules quickly" is not even anecdotal evidence. You haven't proven what your idea of "god rolls" is in context, or that your rolls are indicative of an average:
So no, to be more clear, I am not saying that "without exploits you can never have a god module". But a ship full of them is another thing, and what many people perceive as "god" rolls is often comical in the face of a couple of the modules I've seen since. More beneficial secondaries covering the screen than primary stats by a decent margin.
Oh and I'll be honest: my idea of a "god rolled" shield was actually lacking when I wrote that. Small regen/broken regen boosts, excellent resistances, increased optimal mass and multiplier. And that...is not a "god roll" over what I've seen since. That a mod intended to simply increase resistances is now expected to make bi-weaves with the cap of an A-rated shield and even more vastly improved regen should at least raise a warning klaxon for engineering on the whole.
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Don't you get it? You did not balance stuff. You F#####ng delete it from a game entirely! You killed a game mechanic! What balance are you talking about? We will have now 7-8 boosters mess with no actual care about heat. How is that better? In what world?
They used in the first place. So no campaign obviously
It will hurt SDC more than anyone else See?
Never laugh so hard.
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I tried ganking these forums to make them complain about me complaining about the FAS cockpit but alas all I got was mildly prickly gumbo instead of the full blown wasabi milkshake I was hoping for
Seems if you can't threaten to gank something to prove it is in fact an issue worthy of a single sentence acknowledgement then it's just not something FD will endeavour to respond to as quickly as possible. Hmmm... How does one gank a planet or a cockpit? Answers on a postcard please.
Alright Rinzler sir. o7o7o7
Thanks for the great videos, and good luck with the op.
I took a bit of heat in Maia this morning, nothing the 'Conda couldn't handle though.
I wonder if it was part of your campaign.
In the 30 sec between leaving a station and jumping, I wonder just how effective any weapon can be against a preped ship and pilot.
o7o7o7
There is a section at the top of this that talks about what a "good" roll is: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yjvG-t28upd2YY_S5Q7IRz-Htnu668KnAQL4isZGU3w/edit
ryan_m wrote up one of the most in depth and detailed suggestions I've seen on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/6ft2z2/serious_engineers_and_the_grind/
So basically you are killing innocent players just to get what you want?
This is not darksouls you know...
This is not darksouls you know...
Rinzler o7o7o7
Banned
Tell me though, what can we do as an operation that raises awareness for all the exploited ships flying around?
For heat, we kitted out trade ships and orcas to roast people and prove how OP it was
For healing, we healed each other inside a station and killed people with turrets
For cannons, we're kitting out mostly non-meta ships and roasting people to prove how OP it is
For exploited ships, I don't know what we could do. Maybe go around killing people with godrolled ships (that we obtained legitimately)?
Erm, isn't that what you normally do?
For this particular problem I don't think lack of awareness is the issue. It's pretty clear that max-engineered PvP ships are horrifically overpowered compared to absolutely everything else.
I'm tempted to think that's the whole point of them though, as max-engineered PvP ships can't do much else without being extremely frustrating to do anything else in the game.
The absolute best PvP ships though - are still completely stock noobwinders.
I guess it's only appropriate that the sequel would also turn out to be about a bug which Frontier was already planning to fix. Will you carry on the tradition of claiming credit for getting it fixed anyway?
Yeah, people have only been posting about it for the last 3 betas and six months. Way to go FD.
I guess it's only appropriate that the sequel would also turn out to be about a bug which Frontier was already planning to fix. Will you carry on the tradition of claiming credit for getting it fixed anyway?
It's been there for some time. Slipped through balance passes and while I'm very ignorant about coding, I presume changing the value on a weapon effect would be a simple matter. It's been a while. I think the plan here is a tad gimmicky but I don't doubt it will bring attention to the issue and maybe even speed things up a tad. Also, it's in game and they aren't breaking any rules. If there's a complaint to be made, it should be to FD about the cannons. As the saying goes, "Don't hate the player, baby; hate the game".
I don't have any new complaint to make about either since, as you say, it's nothing new. Just thought it was an amusing coincidence that the same thing happened both times.
I would suggest a simple test, rather than an operation. As i worry more about the effect of godrolled ship in general than the actual exploit, I would like to see what it means in practice.
A basic test of the effectiveness of different types of builds.
How to do:
- Use a flexible ship. Perhaps the Clipper? Outfit it an a few variations and test one on one.
- One godrolled combat version.
- One standard-rolled G5 combat version.
- One standard-rolled G5 general purpose version. This one needs to have a good fuel scoop, SRV and acceptable cargo space.
- One unengineered combat version.
Test these builds against each other to see how big the discrepancies are and publish it.
You guys have the resources to do this and should have interest in minimizing the discrepancies in combat effectiveness.
Troy_McClure
Banned
OMG the hysteria over the god-rolled ships gets more bizarre by the day, as it now seems to pervade almost every thread related to game changes needed, with Ziljan at the vanguard - he's like a dog with a bone, atm.
Let me spell it out to you...the only people affected by this are serial PvPers...anyone else getting up in arms is overreacting. Ergo, SDC et al have the most to lose by this exploit due to their playstyles. Check out the PvP league - god-rolls are just 'Engineers' in microcosm - how did the organisers deal with the problem of RNG advantages? They removed the upgrades from the tournament with one G1 module (why this one pointless concession? who knows!).
Some of you are implying 'this means I now have no chance if I meet a PvPer ship with god-rolls in open' - I have news for you, Ziljan - one, there is absolutely no guarantee their g1=g5 rolled ships are massively OP due to the very nature of RNG & two, if you meet one of these guys, you have no chance anyway - this is all they do day after day - they're good at it. They fight with others who are good at it...this makes them even better...they do this everyday....for hours...get it?
The god rolls will make ZERO practical difference to 99.9% of players - many commenters are using this issue expediently to put the boot in with unsubstantiated accusations & are just passive-aggressive PvP haters...probably jealous of the skills/ships (hard-earned in the vast majority of cases) on show.
God, I'm beginning sound like Jason Barron...someone kill me!
NO TIME TO PROOFREAD - ARGHHH!
Let me spell it out to you...the only people affected by this are serial PvPers...anyone else getting up in arms is overreacting. Ergo, SDC et al have the most to lose by this exploit due to their playstyles. Check out the PvP league - god-rolls are just 'Engineers' in microcosm - how did the organisers deal with the problem of RNG advantages? They removed the upgrades from the tournament with one G1 module (why this one pointless concession? who knows!).
Some of you are implying 'this means I now have no chance if I meet a PvPer ship with god-rolls in open' - I have news for you, Ziljan - one, there is absolutely no guarantee their g1=g5 rolled ships are massively OP due to the very nature of RNG & two, if you meet one of these guys, you have no chance anyway - this is all they do day after day - they're good at it. They fight with others who are good at it...this makes them even better...they do this everyday....for hours...get it?
The god rolls will make ZERO practical difference to 99.9% of players - many commenters are using this issue expediently to put the boot in with unsubstantiated accusations & are just passive-aggressive PvP haters...probably jealous of the skills/ships (hard-earned in the vast majority of cases) on show.
God, I'm beginning sound like Jason Barron...someone kill me!
NO TIME TO PROOFREAD - ARGHHH!
Participate in the forum in the relevant threads, or create them with your insights on PvP. Create one of them SDC videos with the funny voices outlining the issue as you have done with so many other issues.
And it was a failed operation.
Which was an excellent display to prove a point.
Since this is the first time I've heard of that campaign, not so successful in creating awareness is it?
Look at this thread, and probably the accompanying one on reddit. Just the traffic in this thread is raising more awareness than ganking people in the hope they'll come to the forum and create a drama about it. Didn't work with SpikeyToys 1 won't work with 2. In both occasions FD reacted before reports of CMDRs being ganked came in. So I put it to you that creating forum awareness has been much more effective than the in-game awareness both campaigns were geared towards.
Don't get me wrong, have your campaign, it's all good. But don't fool yourself that's the effective part of your campaign.
Oh don't be so defeatist. You're creating videos about all kinds of issues like your T-7 trade ship video. Now that was excellent. Cobble some hardcore PvP ship together, show it's stats, see it being shot at heat meta style, and show the ship boiling up accompanied by yodeling if you have to. (But I'd beg you not to)
Or not. I'm just suggestin'. Don't listen to some carebear pillock. My girlfriend doesn't. And she's alright.
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