Newcomer / Intro Combat Insta-Death

[Chris Simon]

OK, well, I cut it down to just a link.

Where is there naming and shaming in the video?

The name of the griefer with some salty/spicy commentary?

 

[ddrake1984]

@vindelanos - regarding the video you posted, I took serious offence to this as I am an entitled little turd.

a little about my feelings and thoughts...

we live in a PC (Politcal Correct) world now,

we can't smack our kid for fear of being called an abuser
which I might add is breeding a new kind of special child into this very interesting and wonderful friendly world.
we can't call someone out when someone does something wrong, because that's seen as abuse and we don't tolerate it.
we can't advise someone because that can be seen as belittlement.
we can't cook food with peanuts, for fear that someone might be allergic
we can't shoot someone in open play, because that's not fun or fair for the person being shot
nobody cares about the fun being torn out of the guy who is shooting, and having fun.
we should be pragmatic while being very dogmatic in our approach.

let's all hold hands and sing kumbaya.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

The name of the griefer with some salty/spicy commentary?

I was always under the impression that the two made the video together.

I could be wrong.

@vindelanos - regarding the video you posted, I took serious offence to this as I am an entitled little turd.

a little about my feelings and thoughts...

we live in a PC (Politcal Correct) world now,

we can't smack our kid for fear of being called an abuser
which I might add is breeding a new kind of special child into this very interesting and wonderful friendly world.
we can't call someone out when someone does something wrong, because that's seen as abuse and we don't tolerate it.
we can't advise someone because that can be seen as belittlement.
we can't cook food with peanuts, for fear that someone might be allergic
we can't shoot someone in open play, because that's not fun or fair for the person being shot
nobody cares about the fun being torn out of the guy who is shooting, and having fun.
we should be pragmatic while being very dogmatic in our approach.

let's all hold hands and sing kumbaya.

I hear what you're saying, but Chris and I have been forum buddies for a long time, and I get the feeling he's looking out for me more than he is for the newcomers.

I could be wrong... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Chris Simon]

I was always under the impression that the two made the video together.

I could be wrong.



I hear what you're saying, but Chris and I have been forum buddies for a long time, and I get the feeling he's looking out for me more than he is for the newcomers.

I could be wrong... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Of course. I only posted my warning because I didn't want you to earn an infraction.

And drake, everyone makes their own bed. A person shooting defenseless traders simply gets kicks from interfering and ruining other people's fun. I don't see how teaching them to ruin griefer's fun in return is a bad thing. Overreaction much?

 

[UFO Reality]

So I was working on the community goal today, and after 3 hours of mining, I finally had enough Osmium and Samarium to have a full hold. I was on approach to the station when I started to get Interdicted. I thought nothing of it, and after noticing that it wasn't an NPC interdiction, I became slightly worried, but I've avoided plenty of interdictions so I wasn't too worried. So I started to avoid, and noticed that there was no change in the status, so I knew it would be quite difficult to avoid this. After keeping my ship perfectly in the escape vector, I still got interdicted. Still confused at how it happend, I knew all I had to do was to survive long enough to supercruise away. So I began dodging like any normal person would do. Then he hit a shot... my shields, instantly gone. Confused I received a message from him "With a ship name like that, you have to die."(My ship name is the USS Enterprise because I mainly explore and do no combat). Then he hits another shot and my hull goes from 100% to 0%... Immediately. 2 Hours of progress gone in a blink of an eye before my ship could even finish scanning who was targeting me... less than 10 Mega Meters from the space station. Can anyone please explain to me how this happened? What could possibly have instantly destroyed me like that? Is there anything I can do to prevent this? I have the Cobra MKIII Shield health 92 armor health 216.

This is why I proposed that class/type of deployed engineered weapons should show up as part of the info when a ship is scanned and not just names/rank/faction. At least you will get a better chance and idea of what you are up against when confronted.

 

[Maka Gucci]

This is why I proposed that class/type of deployed engineered weapons should show up as part of the info when a ship is scanned and not just names/rank/faction. At least you will get a better chance and idea of what you are up against when confronted.

Can you not just scroll through internal modules, and deduce what is where?
If a Python has 3 PAs and 2 rails.. I'll guess 3xc3, target lock breaker, dispersal field and maybe dazzle shell, 2xc2 super pen and feedback. Might be off by a bit but probably not by much.

 

[catacalypse]

That's unfortunate. As to how it happened:-

You were playing in Open



You weren't Worried? Mate, you had just spent 2 hours getting a hold full of material for a CG IN OPEN and you WEREN'T WORRIED?

Forgive me for pointing this out, but you need to be watching that scanner like a hawk, ESPECIALLY on the run in to the station, ESPECIALLY in open, ESPECIALLY with a hold full of mats.

Choose your own mode by all means. Solo and PG are valid choices, especially if you resent what happened. That's all cool.

If you do continue to choose Open, know that your skills can be > any ganker, PvPer, you just need to practice. In Open you MUST:-

1. Watch your scanner. In Open this is rule 2 on Page one, written in letters 76pt size, comic sans, red colour, underlined, bold.
2. Learn to evade in supercruise. There's lots of information on the forum, on YT etc. Essentially go the long way round, fly towards your oppo, lots of other stuff. All dependent on rule 1. (incidentally this can become a nerve wracking game of cat and mouse)
3. If interdicted, know your drills. e.g. have a high wake system already locked and loaded, submit, power to shields, boost at attacker, pray, change pants etc. Get this down. Practise with other people. Practise. Practise, then practise again.
4. Have an amusing taunt on a hotkey.

Generally speaking, once they are firing on you and you aren't on your escape drill, it's all over, welcome to the rebuy screen. Irritating I know, but potentially a lesson learned.

Again, good luck and fly safe in Open, but pay attention! Or switch modes to Solo or PG, it's your call.

Thanks for the amazing input, no sarcasm at all. Along with your post, and some helpful youtube videos, I feel more comfortable with how to handle situations like these in the near future. As for switching modes, I will never understand why people will do that. I have only switched to solo a few times and that was because of a bugged landing pad. As for being worried, of course I was, but leading up to this point, I've never had any pvp interaction with REAL people. So I was expecting an easy interdiction escape like I've always done and move on with my life.

I recently found some more experienced CMDRs that have helped me and I can't tell you how much I've learned these past few days. I understand ship construction and design a little better, as well as basic avoidance for situations like these in the future. I realize this post is kind of all over the place, but all in all, I just want to thank you for explaining what I did wrong, and how I can fix it.

 

[catacalypse]

You'll find, OP, after you get some experience that 92/216 is actually pretty low when it comes to shield/hull. That does not mean that your Cobra isn't viable though.

One of the problems players face when interdicted by CMDRs for the first time is they try to escape like they would from NPC, i.e. in a straight line, boost, boost, and FSD. When facing human opponents, that is a surefire way to get yourself killed.

Start by watching the video below to learn basic outfitting, escape, and evasion skills. And once you get to engineering your stuff, you'll find that you can make your gear a whole lot tougher.

I love mining, BTW. If you ever want to go co-op mining, hit me up and we'll make some scratch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh9AWV_BWo0

Thank you so much for the input, for actually giving me tips and tricks AS WELL as a tutorial on how to do them. My ship stats weren't really for bragging, they were more for everyone here to use to tell me how I died so quickly... it has become quite apparent, and the community has made it very clear, that I had it coming. But what no one is realizing is that the cobra was my 3rd ship ever (if that doesn't tell you how new I am, I dont know what will), I went into the CG with no more than 1.5 mil to my name (after purchasing my basic mining supplies). I could have bought a 4A shield with that money, but that would have left me very little money for rebuys (I was expecting multiple of them because I was so new, and, in theory, the majoryty of the community would be there. But that wasn't the case). Do I regret anything about my lack of defences? No. I wish I knew what I did now about getting away because that cargo load would have put me in the top 25%.

I absolutely adore this game. The complexity, small details, and difficulty of the game make it so much fun to play (plus I'm a complete space nerd also). I just want to close by saying thank you again for your input, It has, and will really help.

P.S. I would love to go Co-Op mining, its easily one of my favorite pass-times, I just first have to find out how to add you

 

[catacalypse]

This is why I proposed that class/type of deployed engineered weapons should show up as part of the info when a ship is scanned and not just names/rank/faction. At least you will get a better chance and idea of what you are up against when confronted.

I was just recently thinking about that also. I agree 100%. Whilst I still would have probably lost my ship, I would have known what weapons were being used, as well as their class rating and engineering upgrades (that way when I decide to go bounty hunting, I can destroy those dumb NPCs )

 

[catacalypse]

You'll find, OP, after you get some experience that 92/216 is actually pretty low when it comes to shield/hull. That does not mean that your Cobra isn't viable though.

One of the problems players face when interdicted by CMDRs for the first time is they try to escape like they would from NPC, i.e. in a straight line, boost, boost, and FSD. When facing human opponents, that is a surefire way to get yourself killed.

Start by watching the video below to learn basic outfitting, escape, and evasion skills. And once you get to engineering your stuff, you'll find that you can make your gear a whole lot tougher.

I love mining, BTW. If you ever want to go co-op mining, hit me up and we'll make some scratch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh9AWV_BWo0

I had a very nice response to this, but it seems it didn't post, so I will just summarize.

I can't thank you enough for your input. While it doesn't really mean much to you, I could use all the help and tips I can get. I will definately be using these tactics in the future.

P.S. I would love to do Co-Op mining, I just first need to figure out how to add you

 

[frostypaw]

Can you not just scroll through internal modules, and deduce what is where?
If a Python has 3 PAs and 2 rails.. I'll guess 3xc3, target lock breaker, dispersal field and maybe dazzle shell, 2xc2 super pen and feedback. Might be off by a bit but probably not by much.

This just bewilders me.

You're genuinely expecting a new player to know all the mods and the possible current meta loadouts?

Seriously?

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Thank you so much for the input, for actually giving me tips and tricks AS WELL as a tutorial on how to do them. My ship stats weren't really for bragging

Nah, I didn't take it as such.

it has become quite apparent, and the community has made it very clear, that I had it coming.

This reminds me of what William Munny said in Unforgiven "We all have it comin', kid."

They're just doing it because they misperceived your OP as a whinge post, or are just forgetting that this is the newcomers forum.

Glad it the guidance helped, OP!

 

[Para Handy]

Do you ever stop to read what you're writing? I'm honestly baffled that someone could open a post by call everyone around them ignorant and stupid, and then close with a sanctimonious jab about poor attitudes.
I'm not surprised you identify with Sheldon, the concept of irony and the basics of human interact are obviously beyond you. As are word plays, apparently.

Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't make them wrong, or stupid for that matter. You're the only one here with an attitude problem mate, grow up, the pretence is getting boring.

Perhaps you didn't comprehend what I was referring to. You totally misread it if so - I wasn't calling-out people who "disagreed" with me. I called out people who don't know what the game title is derived from and who use that faulty understanding in making "git gud" remarks. I think that shows stupidity, you can disagree, that is your prerogative but you can not characterise it as calling "everyone around them ignorant and stupid".

As for word plays, you misread the Sheldon reference, it is not an "identification" issue, it was a word play to illustrate that it is sad that some people have cognitive difficulties and not that one is mocking them.

I said I think the post I was replying to had shown a reprehensible attitude and I stand by that.

that is all...

 

[Chris Simon]

Perhaps you didn't comprehend what I was referring to. You totally misread it if so - I wasn't calling-out people who "disagreed" with me. I called out people who don't know what the game title is derived from and who use that faulty understanding in making "git gud" remarks. I think that shows stupidity, you can disagree, that is your prerogative but you can not characterise it as calling "everyone around them ignorant and stupid".

As for word plays, you misread the Sheldon reference, it is not an "identification" issue, it was a word play to illustrate that it is sad that some people have cognitive difficulties and not that one is mocking them.

I said I think the post I was replying to had shown a reprehensible attitude and I stand by that.

that is all...

People you accused of cognitive difficulties didn't understand what you were trying to say? Well...

 

[wigwam12]

I thought it was a fantastic video too.
I didn’t even know about the 100 speed (other than getting fined of course!)

 

[Maka Gucci]

This just bewilders me.

You're genuinely expecting a new player to know all the mods and the possible current meta loadouts?

Seriously?

UFOReality desn't seem that new, and it only too me a couple of months to get that familiar. But no I don't expect 'em to know, I expect 'em to learn em as they go. Just as they would have to if a scan gave them info they had no ability to interpret.

Not like you don't need a second screen half the time as it is. Have Inara open, and make a thing of scanning/resolving as many ships on radar as possible. Scrolling through modules. That way you'll be aware of other players, and you'll gain a good idea of what they have.

 

[frostypaw]

UFOReality desn't seem that new, and it only too me a couple of months to get that familiar. But no I don't expect 'em to know, I expect 'em to learn em as they go. Just as they would have to if a scan gave them info they had no ability to interpret.

Not like you don't need a second screen half the time as it is. Have Inara open, and make a thing of scanning/resolving as many ships on radar as possible. Scrolling through modules. That way you'll be aware of other players, and you'll gain a good idea of what they have.

Meh. Change modes, stop having to worry about idiots. Game better

 

[Ananym]

Forcing people to play in solo is such a missed opportunity.
People that gain notoriety through murder should just have their location flagged to every bounty hunter in a 100 Ly radius.
And then, of course, they'd just swap to solo.
The dual modes ruins so much of the potential for actual emergent gameplay in elite.

 

[Chris Simon]

Forcing people to play in solo is such a missed opportunity.
People that gain notoriety through murder should just have their location flagged to every bounty hunter in a 100 Ly radius.
And then, of course, they'd just swap to solo.
The dual modes ruins so much of the potential for actual emergent gameplay in elite.

Just wait a couple of weeks. Most of your wishes will come true in ways you probably won't be happy about.

As for the modes, they are part of Elite core. Some people simply don't want to play with others. Not because of griefing or anything, they simply want to play alone (I'm one of them, although I do play mostly in open, anyway)
Elite was always primarily about personal experience so to take the solo mode away is not an option.

 

[frostypaw]

The dual modes ruins so much of the potential for actual emergent gameplay in elite.

The emergent gameplay always turns out to be gangwar nonsense though. When players actually turn up with anything else that's spoiled by the modes let us know