That is really really funny. ROFL
Doing the same mistakes for 25 years?
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That is really really funny. ROFL
Great, sounds fun. Just two major problems.
1) The same problem that absolutely everything else in Elite Dangerous has
Would it be fun when it plays out identically the second time? The third time? The twentieth time? (Oh, hey, look over there, a Guardian Tech Broker unlock)
2) The problem that custom detailed mission generation in every game that's had it has (e.g. Tie Fighter, Freespace, etc.)
What happens if the player doesn't complete the mission perfectly as a textbook solution?
That's a tough enough problem in Tie Fighter/Freespace - despite those games being tested extensively pre-release, there were still bugs in the missions where if you did something unexpected you could not only lose the mission, but you could get the mission into a state where it was impossible to either win or lose.
In Elite Dangerous? There's so many more ways that the player can - intentionally or otherwise - mess the mission up, and failure to account for any of them is, essentially, a bug.
- what happens if the player flies off in the Eagle and is never seen again?
- what happens if a pirate hatchbreaks them and the cargo is jettisoned?
- what happens if the player misses the shield generator?
- what happens if the player takes the mission, but then goes to have lunch and when they come back online the tick has happened and the war is over?
- what happens if there's a wing of player FdLs fighting for the other side in the war and one of them takes the opportunity for an easy Eagle kill?
- what happens if there's a wing of player FdLs fighting for the same side in the war, and they think "ooh, a capship, let's drive it off" before the mission taker can get it?
etc. etc. (some of these have easier answers than others, of course, but they all need to be specifically coded for)
So, given problem 1, how are Frontier supposed to produce the necessary quantities of unique playtested missions? How many missions would that be? (Tie Fighter had 36 missions in total, not counting the expansion. Freespace 1 had 29. Freespace 2 had 35.)
Unfortunately, we've been hearing that since the KS. It used to be 'SC will come when ED launches, so why bother with ED?', then 'NMS and SC at the end of the year!', "CoD:IW and SC at the end of the year", 'ME:A and SC at the end of the year!' and now "a new Bethesda game noone knows anything about and this year SC for real!".
Its all cool, but when you take a step back a certain pattern becomes visible. Maybe, just maybe, stuff in the distance isnt automatically going to be awesome and like ED but better, and maybe SC will still be terrible at the end of this year.
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Finally SC is released. We did it! Now we will just have to wait five more years for a computer system to be developed that can run it at more than 3-10 fps.[haha]Its all cool, but when you take a step back a certain pattern becomes visible. Maybe, just maybe, stuff in the distance isnt automatically going to be awesome and like ED but better, and maybe SC will still be terrible at the end of this year.
Apparently I repped you somewhere else. Have a virtual +1
verminstar
Banned
LOL.
Combat is too hard.
Flying is difficult.
Trouble is, if you take those 'mistakes' out then the game isn't Elite anymore
So the complaints were to remove combat and flying? Specifically to remove them entirely? And those same demands in the here and now...dont suppose ye can point them out cos I gotta say, thats not the complaints Im seeing.
Now if the complaints were to improve those mechanics, that would be easier to believe...but removing them entirely seems to be what yer suggesting and I aint seeing that.
What I do see is things taken outta context with a side order of strawman thrown in fer good measure ^
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I read some awesome hype about the best game in the works. It's going to be everything I wished for.
For reals this time.
I remember when I dreamed of playing rpg's on a computer with my friends as a kid. My idea was being able to gm and when the players met a monster I would turn my monitor to face them so they could see a scary picture of it on the screen. I couldn't even imagine the concept of online 3d games back then.
I don't expect anything coming soon that will compare to what I play in 20 years.
Hype is so oldfashioned. I thought people evolved from being suckered by marketing but it seems to be back in style.
For reals this time.
I remember when I dreamed of playing rpg's on a computer with my friends as a kid. My idea was being able to gm and when the players met a monster I would turn my monitor to face them so they could see a scary picture of it on the screen. I couldn't even imagine the concept of online 3d games back then.
I don't expect anything coming soon that will compare to what I play in 20 years.
Hype is so oldfashioned. I thought people evolved from being suckered by marketing but it seems to be back in style.
FE2 was a fantastic game that I played to death on the Amiga, and again more recently in emulation (Amiga emulation is fun!). Its main flaw was that the overly-realistic flight model meant that combat wasn't much fun. In ED, that has been well and truly fixed.
The other complaints are fair, but these I don't get. I want to feel like I'm operating a spacecraft - it's supposed to be complex, and I don't find it hostile at all.
Man, you're easily shocked aren't you? Maybe you should play the old games - see for yourself what they're about and how the compare to ED.
The other complaints are fair, but these I don't get. I want to feel like I'm operating a spacecraft - it's supposed to be complex, and I don't find it hostile at all.
Man, you're easily shocked aren't you? Maybe you should play the old games - see for yourself what they're about and how the compare to ED.
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Please... The only thing it simulates well is boredom of space salaryman
Well, and star classes are accurate I guess.
Its a space game. "sim" - not so much.
P.S. Also I wish people finally realise that "please stop arguing and just leave" posts are not working.
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Look, i spent all of 30 seconds thinking of that mission it was just to get an idea. I can think of easy fixes for all your issues above like having a timer of 30mins to do it, but anyway BFD if any of those things happen, it's a game. I'm sure all the other games in the world don't break due to players being human and messing around or not fufilling missions.
I also think this forum (naturally) will have alot of cosplay commanders posting, and they get very defensive as soon as someone mentions to do something that doesn't fit in with there pretend world. I can almost hear them crying "Please fdev, don't change anything, everything is so wonderful"...
I think you've completely misread Ian's post. He was saying that if you make those things easy (ie. remove the "mistake" of them being hard) Elite wouldn't be Elite, not if you remove them from the game.
Thing is, flying and combat are much easier than they were in the '90s games. So those complaints from 25 years ago have been addressed in ED.
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Ian Phillips
Volunteer Moderator
Indeed.
25 years ago people were less jaded
It was more or less the beginnings of consumer computing
FE2 was enough for the delight
It was more or less the beginnings of consumer computing
FE2 was enough for the delight
Can you quote a these 'lots of people' saying that everything is wonderful? You seem to be crusading against non-existing people...
Actually FE2 was no exception of FDev games past 80ies were quite a bugfest requiring plenty of post-release patches. It was quite a ride patching before widespread Internet - but also kind of decreased ability of customers to publicly complain about it so I guess it's bit balanced out.
So go somewhere else.
No it wasn't. Home computers had been around since 1977 and by 1993 video games had made huge strides in terms of graphics and gameplay. It wasn't the beginnings of anything, far from it.
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Wow.
Not a crusade more of a bit of a moan and trying to help make the game better. Anyway im off now to play real life until tomorrow.
Hope I didn't upset anyone else.
Seeyaz.
Yes, these are flaws. There is very little to do, even somebody who's now coming back to ED since beta could easily catch up on all the stuff they "missed" in a day, without grinding. At least to know what has changed in gameplay, not necessarily playing per say.