...and rating it as 6/10 on Steam. Great job, no improvements needed.
Doing the same mistakes for 25 years?
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...and rating it as 6/10 on Steam. Great job, no improvements needed.
You dont understand, Steam stats are only relevant around here when in favor of the game
Well, as I gather they just dismiss it as any other negative criticism as "vocal minority"
Or "this game is not for everyone so won't get perfect reviews and that's fine with us".
Or just pretend it does not exist - seem to be main strategy these days
Well, as I gather they just dismiss it as any other negative criticism as "vocal minority"
Or "this game is not for everyone so won't get perfect reviews and that's fine with us".
Or just pretend it does not exist - seem to be main strategy these days
Depends on what you think steam reviews are worth I guess, and what you are looking for in a game.
A lot of the steam criticism of ED is that it's too hard and you need to know stuff to play it. Both of which are plus points to me.
Oh, please. So hard games can't get good steam score? What is steam score for Dark Souls games eh?
Problem with ED is that it does not have to offer anything in reward for this hardness. Actually its not a difficult game - it just takes a lot of time. Not because it requires skill, it just requires time. And it does not offer much for this time spent. Hence it does not provide much of sense of fulfilment after you've spent it.
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We are talking about steam reviews, which frequently mention both those things. I also find the 3000 hours played mile wide inch deep not recommended ones utterly hilarious.
Well, as I gather they just dismiss it as any other negative criticism as "vocal minority"
Or "this game is not for everyone so won't get perfect reviews and that's fine with us".
Or just pretend it does not exist - seem to be main strategy these days
Or the Apple excuse - you're holding it wrong
To be fair, I see nothing wrong with company having a backbone and saying "we are making products we want and that we think are right, regardless of how many people will like it and what review score will be".
But in this case, I'd prefer them to be honest with it and having integrity about it. Not spinelessly pretend "oh no, we are valuing your feedback, we are valuing your time, etc" in hopes it will squeeze bit more sales.
But in this case, I'd prefer them to be honest with it and having integrity about it. Not spinelessly pretend "oh no, we are valuing your feedback, we are valuing your time, etc" in hopes it will squeeze bit more sales.
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Time spent on video games is not valuable, arguing about them doubly so.
DBOBE has always said he's making the game he wants to play IIRC.
And i am sure he is playing like us meaning mindless grind disconnect/connecting.
Then he should convey this vision to the rest of his team so they don't communicate entirely different & conflicting image. Like CEO would.
Also, yes, he "always" said it (two or three times) yes yes. But I wonder to which extent he's actually "making" the game anymore. Especially past year or two.
The time to write this post for me was about to same as switch 4 weapons in outfitting while watching un-skippable hardpoint animations. Valuable time indeed.
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My example wasn't quite fitting, I know. My point "If you don't like it walk away." isn't an argument. Enough OT now.
So, if you do mistakes repeatedly, it will invalidate any critique?
Regarding controls, in ED it is more about the GUI, from my pov (outfitting ships for instance).
Sometimes they have weird views, but in this case the author isn't the usual Gamestar editor.
So the cited critique defines this genre? Are you serious?
Remember when you started in ED or have you ever explained ED to a newcomer? Have you looked through the forums for the question "why is this not (explained) in the game"? And before anyone comes with "hand holding", ED is the exact opposite, it deliberately withholds information.
Yeah, maybe I should. I am not sure if I have the endurance to fight controls.
Maybe, but also game design has evolved since then, trying to avoid frustration (not to be confused with too challenging) for instance.
If you look past the childish jokes and the language you will he has valid, intelligent points. He also emphasizes that he loves the game. Btw. your posts are really hard to read due to lacking formatting.
Maybe "people who just buy a game and have fun" don't care as much as we do.
Yes, probably for the same reason as the old games: Nice simulation, weak game mechanics. Thanks for understanding the reason of my posting.
In general, the more participants (or in this case reviewers) you have, the more accurate the result. But this doesn't mean they reflect your own opinion.
You have to ask why ED is being perceived too hard. Additionally there is hard games out there, that aren't frustrating the player.
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Thanks for this - I haven't played the older ones either so it's interesting (and depressing) to see that the same issues with Frontier's game design still persist so many years on. The question is, what're the constants between the company then and now, which explain why they haven't figured out how to make enjoyable gameplay content in their space games?
I would disagree with the 'overly complex gui and handling' though; the actual game mechanics of Elite Dangerous are the best thing about it, and specifically the spaceflight and UI are fantastic.
Hm, I don't particularly think th4e past Elite games are that comparable to ED.
ED design made a cardinal mistake for players like me and that was introducing stuff that potentially gates off gameplay they could do and enjoy before. In my case that was engineers and engineered NPCs.
ED design made a cardinal mistake for players like me and that was introducing stuff that potentially gates off gameplay they could do and enjoy before. In my case that was engineers and engineered NPCs.
I have alot of steam hours played, around 1800 iirc. I would say at least half of that is spent at a stations & reading forums, watching youtube and going out shopping where i can't be bothered turning the PC off.
ED was announced to be a remake of Elite with its release in December 2014. It was supposed to be a basis on further extensions. For me that is no excuse to do the same mistakes over again, though.
Try swapping modules between ships or comparing engineered modules. This game still relies heavily on out-of-game information - unfortunately. But is seems to be getting better.
Elites controls are life EDs but Frontier and FFE are ED with flight assist off EVEN for supercruise.
On the whole of it a pain in the but for those expecting Elite but the autopilot made it easy as long as you were on the right side of the planet
The whole argument about depth can also be leveled at loads of space games for example:
Freelancer - an amazing, beautiful game that will give you a nice challenge but one you got the Eagle and it fully kitted out (not to expensive) your unstoppable. Nicely populated systems although not tons of them but they were enough.
On the whole of it a pain in the but for those expecting Elite but the autopilot made it easy as long as you were on the right side of the planet
The whole argument about depth can also be leveled at loads of space games for example:
Freelancer - an amazing, beautiful game that will give you a nice challenge but one you got the Eagle and it fully kitted out (not to expensive) your unstoppable. Nicely populated systems although not tons of them but they were enough.
Steam hours for ED are completely over-inflated & wrong. Because it counts as "ingame time" the time you simply have the launcher open, you don't even have the game running. The same way it counts "ingame players" - its amount of people who have launcher open, not actually playing the game.
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He flies an asp explorer.
I like the game, I like the free stuff they've added recently. I'm not mad about the way they communicate, more stuff is coming based on past experience I'll enjoy that as well. I don't need to keep hearing that repeated to know it's what's happening.
I'm multitasking it with something more valuable that requires frequently sitting waiting for 30 seconds or so, but doesn't spare enough attention to watch telly. Forums are perfect for that.
I like games that are hard. Complaints "it's too hard" are recommendations for me based on the same complaints being made about games I've enjoyed in the past.