Modes Obligatory "Merge solo, open, private groups" thread

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
I don't see a downside here, I mean, more players(all players) in open, without the griefing? Seems like a no-brainer. [up]

There are downsides though - as console players without premium platform access *cannot* play in either of the multi-player game modes.

Plus the fact that Solo was used by Frontier in mitigation when they cancelled Offline Mode.

Plus the fact that we have all bought a game where we can choose how many players to play among on a session-by-session basis.
 
Many people don't want to play in any form of multiplayer, be that friendly or not, for a variety of reasons - personally I just want a bit of time escaping from human interaction.
This flag business that you've proposed has more potential issues (instancing, pad hogging & believe-ability-breaking immortal ships flying about) than the current system.
Whilst its not perfect, simply leave it "as -is".
 
Many people don't want to play in any form of multiplayer, be that friendly or not, for a variety of reasons - personally I just want a bit of time escaping from human interaction.
This flag business that you've proposed has more potential issues (instancing, pad hogging & believe-ability-breaking immortal ships flying about) than the current system.
Whilst its not perfect, simply leave it "as -is".

That's a fair look, for sure...
 
New guy Meet Jockeys Wall.
But please pay attention to the bottom video.

Powerplay was MADE for PVP activity. Ever so often you'll come across an awesome post about Powerplay being used Correctly. Both Parties using open at the same time. Everyone is usually happy with the outcome Win or Lose.

But then you get people complaining when one side uses the Modes and the other side uses Open. Expecting PVP to happen and gets upset. It was made for PVP after all?

So powerplay ITSELF is made for Consensual PVP. As in you know what you were getting yourself into when you signed up for it.

Not like how Jockey insinuates it to be if you use the Modes or not making it Consensual.

The Screw Up with Jockeys post is Frontier Acknowledges there is an Imbalance with the modes with it pertains to risk and reward. And was looking into fixing it. The community had an outcry resultng in Sandro "apologizing" To the community 2 weeks later and no changes were ever made.

As seen here : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=237822&p=3680532&viewfull=1#post3680532

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ation-for-PP?p=3680906&viewfull=1#post3680906

They could have made the changes if they wanted to....

So what happened is the community started out as a Co-Op/Single player game. And it Evolved into a Multiplayer game.

Even the BGSers are using the BGS against each other. Rather than using it as a single player or Co-Op gameplay as designed.

Now people are upset with One Click Transactions because people are using the BGS against Each-Other. And not the way it was made to be.

We are now at a cross roads.

Would the Modes, One clicking, Heat Cannons and Lasers need to be changed if we could never effect one another in the first place? Nope.

Do they continue with the single player Co-Op Design? Or do we change the game to reflect the new play-style people are getting into. And balance the game for Multiplayer, while still giving the Solo Player/Co-Op feel.

And this is exactly what they are currently doing.

New Crime and Punishment is built around the player (some dont understand it, the ones that PVP and do BGS does though). Engineers are built around player vs player. It wouldnt surprise me in the least with squadrons coming out, a Multiplayer Feature. That they finally address risk and reward between the modes.

Ground work is already laid.

Im interested to see if they finally snuff this one out.

Everything Jockey says in his wall is true. But the game we are playing now is an adversarial one. That must be balanced, while still giving meaning to Co-Op and Single player.

To me, its the calm before the storm. The adversarial multiplayer experience he speaks about in the second link above. Simply wont go ignored forever.

I just dont think the community was ready for it at that time. Now I see some of the people that fought against it. Fight for it over time. While others dont.

Anyways. I think that just about covers it.

TLDR: The game was created for the single/co-op experience. Over time things were added to the game, that created a multiplayer adversarial experience. And the BGS/Powerplay still has the Single player/Co-Op framework. With Features meant for PVP. Which is why the community is split.

Our hopes are that Beyond tackles some of these features.

And... Some here dont want those changes.
 
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Lol @ 90's fading hopes; they have already stated squadrons will be all modes and it looks like carriers will be too. By the end of the year you will finally have to admit you were wrong and then leave in a huff like you promised.[yesnod]
 
Lol @ 90's fading hopes; they have already stated squadrons will be all modes and it looks like carriers will be too. By the end of the year you will finally have to admit you were wrong and then leave in a huff like you promised.[yesnod]

Sigh. You still dont get it.

This is going to be bitter sweet. This was never supposed to be a HAHA im right you're wrong. But this is what you forum dads turned it into.

Owell. Times are changing, ya'll just too blind to see it.

o7o7
 
They have clearly just announced a feature you thought would be the great mode seperator and anouced it will be available in all modes. Further they have not announced a change either in instace limits or the p2p architecture so that rules out any of the large scale pvp for the future and carriers will be invunerable guild halls.
 
They have clearly just announced a feature you thought would be the great mode seperator and anouced it will be available in all modes. Further they have not announced a change either in instace limits or the p2p architecture so that rules out any of the large scale pvp for the future and carriers will be invunerable guild halls.

They said there were many layers to the Squadrons Features. That was just the social aspect of it. There is more to come. I can promise you that :D

No opinions here. Im bring facts to the opinion fight. Not the other way around bud.
 
Sigh. You still dont get it.

This is going to be bitter sweet. This was never supposed to be a HAHA im right you're wrong. But this is what you forum dads turned it into.

Owell. Times are changing, ya'll just too blind to see it.

o7o7


Stay or go, at least we will be able to hear you say the truth...Direct PVP is, by design, a sideshow...and the only PVP that matters is the out collection of PVE trophies by opposing sides of conflict! And this will never change!
 
Stay or go, at least we will be able to hear you say the truth...Direct PVP is, by design, a sideshow...and the only PVP that matters is the out collection of PVE trophies by opposing sides of conflict! And this will never change!

Got news for ya. I wont be going anywhere. Bet your bottom dollar baby. Its gonna get balanced. :D
 
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I don't see a downside here, ....

I do - other players. I play games to get away from people. Not all the time and not with every game I play, but at a guess I would say that >95% of the time I've spent playing ED were in solo. I don't want a PVP flag, I simply don't want to meet other people in my free time. And on the rare occasions that I do feel ok with social interactions, I want to be able to control who I will meet. That's were PGs come in.

No-brainer, indeed - I'd just stop playing if solo and private groups were removed.
 
This was never supposed to be a HAHA im right you're wrong. But this is what you forum dads turned it into.
That's some of the most free range, organically grown, disingenuously marinated, lack of selfawereness I've seen in the wild. Don't take my word for it. Here's what I could dig up from 1 day, 8th of September 2017, and I stopped collecting when I got bored, so there's probably more from that one day.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...l-California?p=5896681&viewfull=1#post5896681
Common sense will tell you changes are coming. And with the way people act around here. Its going to be glorious.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...l-California?p=5896701&viewfull=1#post5896701
ITS ABOUT TO GET EXCITING FOLKS! Strap yourselves in and get ready to head into the salt mines.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...l-California?p=5896742&viewfull=1#post5896742
So yeah Changes are coming boys. And they have been saying it for quite sometime. It just seems people turn a blind eye to it because it does not benefit them.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...l-California?p=5896806&viewfull=1#post5896806
Man, people are going to be really upset huh. Never seen game balancing be such a bad thing.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ead-IV-Hotel-California?p=5896906#post5896906
And now that 2.4 is around the corner. And core mechanics are being fixed. You guys are in for a rude awaking.

You've been going: I'm right, you're wrong for the longest time. Own up to it for once. What is it with you guys not taking responsibility for your own actions? Always blaming everyone and their dog, but not yourself.
 
That's some of the most free range, organically grown, disingenuously marinated, lack of selfawereness I've seen in the wild. Don't take my word for it. Here's what I could dig up from 1 day, 8th of September 2017, and I stopped collecting when I got bored, so there's probably more from that one day.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...l-California?p=5896681&viewfull=1#post5896681
Common sense will tell you changes are coming. And with the way people act around here. Its going to be glorious.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...l-California?p=5896701&viewfull=1#post5896701
ITS ABOUT TO GET EXCITING FOLKS! Strap yourselves in and get ready to head into the salt mines.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...l-California?p=5896742&viewfull=1#post5896742
So yeah Changes are coming boys. And they have been saying it for quite sometime. It just seems people turn a blind eye to it because it does not benefit them.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...l-California?p=5896806&viewfull=1#post5896806
Man, people are going to be really upset huh. Never seen game balancing be such a bad thing.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ead-IV-Hotel-California?p=5896906#post5896906
And now that 2.4 is around the corner. And core mechanics are being fixed. You guys are in for a rude awaking.

You've been going: I'm right, you're wrong for the longest time. Own up to it for once. What is it with you guys not taking responsibility for your own actions? Always blaming everyone and their dog, but not yourself.

Nope I said those things. But 10 months ago when The Hotel thread still existed. I was trying to even show the imbalances then and the 7-10 of ya dog piled me like crazy as soon as I showed up. I explained my case and since then a lot has changed. They have balanced all sorts of things.

They balanced Crime and Punishment around the player, they have updated Engineers to be a level playing field and they were even talking about linking player factions to the BGS and would talk about that at a later squadrons date.

A whole lot has changed from when I first came here. I see them making changes to support the multiplayer gameplay. Thats it.

I mean why do you think people dont get the way crime and punishment works? Its not made for the NPC stuff anymore. Even though it works in all modes, as that part should. Its been reworked for the Player vs Player stuff. Thats what the community asked for.... But they dont really understand what they asked for :D

They are aware of the risk and reward issues with it comes to other players. They established that in 2016 with that powerplay thread. Just because they didnt do something then. Doesnt mean they wont do something during this multiplayer update. At least I hope they put some thought into it. Id be really surprised if they didnt. Its been an obvious problem for quite sometime now.

Anyways, ya'll are still telling me im wrong and flappin your gums. While im telling you they are changing it all right under ya'lls nose. And you dont want me to be right so bad you dig up comments tryna forum PVP AGAIN....

Just pay attention to what they are doing. And get involved with the game if you care about this part so much.
 
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