the FSS, watching paint dry....

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Demanded? Most of the demanding is coming from those who like the FSS and are demanding that nothing be changed, or demanding that if something is changed it be done with additional penalties inflicted. ;)

Frontier makes something that lots of people like, you come in with your "own preference" and start campaigning for the company to change / undo the thing that multiple developers spent a year on, a thing many of us like, and we are the ones being demanding?

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Frontier makes something that lots of people like, you come in with your "own preference" and start campaigning for the company to change / undo the thing that multiple developers spent a year on, a thing many of us like, and we are the ones being demanding?

Your description of Faded Glory's position is inaccurate Old Duck.
 
Your description of Faded Glory's position is inaccurate Old Duck.

So your clan is not campaigning to modify / undo changes to exploration that Frontier brought us in 3.3? Well praise the Lord! That means this thread is finally over :D
 
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I think the bottom line is that there's been many threads in both beta, and live, and this very thread, and....

Nothing has changed.

FDev have very wisely chosen to outwardly ignore everything being said, and refusing to 'side' with anyone.

Internally I imagine there's been a few discussions, some whiteboard scribbling, much pointing and laughing and the odd shake of the head in disbelief.

Nothing has changed.

I think that some people forget, this game is not designed by committee. It isn't a case that 'we payed our monies so we gets a say' - that's just what some people would LIKE to think happens. These forums are here as a courtesy, we're not entitled to them, nor do we have a right to use them.

As much as I have criticized Frontier in the past, I make my points, maybe add a few counter arguments to whoever tells me I'm wrong, and eventually leave it at that - I don't have any louder a voice than anyone else here.

Frontier decided, after much debate, discussion, and quite likely, doughnuts, that the new FSS is how things are going to be. WE didn't get an actual say in this, because it isn't our decision. And that is exactly how it should be. OF course, I imagine they're reading the feedback on how things could be improved and balanced - slightly. Re-adding something they DELIBERATELY removed completely is clearly NOT going to be an option, no matter how much those opposed to the New Way try to argue - by twisting words and phrases in some futile attempt to make Frontier see sense.

Someone responded to my earlier post about 'why can't we have both systems'. The answer is pretty clear - because the old system is gone, and it is never coming back. And it doesn't need to, because the NEW system is not gamebreaking for the game FRONTIER designed.

It doesn't really matter if you don't like it. It WOULD matter if the feedback received was overwhelmingly negative... but clearly it wasn't - otherwise FDev would very likely have responded by now.

Ultimately, I play the game Frontier develop, and I would like to think that along the way, some of the scribble I write is glanced upon briefly by maybe the odd dev. But I don't expect a hand-written reply - on parchment - declaring my forum posts are clearly the obvious way forward, and my insight is invaluable. Which.. I think some people here clearly do.*

Adapt, or play something else. I think that's a fitting TLDR.**

* think their posts are invaluable - not think MINE are... [big grin] ** HAPPY NEW YEAR!! [heart]
 
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Frontier makes something that lots of people like, you come in with your "own preference" and start campaigning for the company to change / undo the thing that multiple developers spent a year on, a thing many of us like, and we are the ones being demanding?

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Nope. We are asking that FD reconsider their decision to drop an existing mechanic and game-play, that while many certainly felt was boring, others might have enjoyed.

We are not demanding that the new game-play that they have added be changed at all. Not even asking for that. We are quite happy that all those who enjoy the FSS game-play get to keep it, totally unchanged.

But yes, there seem to be those who really like the new game-play, and who are demanding that FD don't change a thing, despite it being clear that it has negatively impacted some people, even though if the kind of changes being suggested were in fact put in, wouldn't affect their game-play at all.

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What about YOU asking US before pestering the devs? As far as I can see, YOU are in tiny minority here.
And btw, *every* change has some negative impact on "some" people. If that would be the gold standard for FD's decisions, the game would be on tic tac toe level by now. You and some others also still haven't understood that 'just' adding the old ADS functionality, even part of it, *is* altering the FSS functionality and meaning.
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I really hate these arguments where some self declared community speaker pretends to speak for a huge group of people. The reason for my one time exception is to let you see how daft that feels.

Why should we ask you?
One minute we're being told ED is not designed by committee, the next you're demanding that we ask for your opinion. Pick a position and stick with it, rather than constantly shifting the goalposts.

Aside from anything else, this thread has been full of discussion that's included both sides of the argument and compromises have been made in order to minimize the impact of ADS-style functionality on the FSS. It's not those of us who dislike the FSS that are being obstinate.
 
I've been out of the loop on this patch (I've embarked on a lengthy quest to learn all things Adobe, how to use a digital tablet and assorted D & D adventures), and I'm wondering how this feature is being received by the community at large, aside from the partisan's populating this thread? When I scan the pages, I seem to just see the 20 or same names over and over.

As with everything else you need to,try it for yourself and make your own mind up. I think its groovy, but I'm very drunk on a variety of beverages and have been listening to Abba.

Happy new year.
 
I've been out of the loop on this patch (I've embarked on a lengthy quest to learn all things Adobe, how to use a digital tablet and assorted D & D adventures), and I'm wondering how this feature is being received by the community at large, aside from the partisan's populating this thread? When I scan the pages, I seem to just see the 20 or same names over and over.

I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of people like it.
 
I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of people like it.

There's only one person who goes around saying that.. at least there's 20 people who don't it seems.

Its about 50/50 in this thread at least, considering the one off posts and people who do and dont like it that dont care anymore.

Its a curiosity of course. Frontier will likely only respond to PR. If they go on metrics alone it will take them months to even wake up. Sadly elite isn't a passion project, its part of a growing developer working on 5 or 6 simultaneous projects. As long as we keep checking the measure for ourselves we'll be fine. It really is true they wont miss us on the way out.
 
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Sadly elite isn't a passion project
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That's the saddest part of this, 5 years in and you still can't shut Chris Roberts* up - whereas David Braben has ghosted.
As for the FSS, I like it! but I do think the honk should still show undiscovered planets (if only in wireframe with no info).

* Yea, I know he still is focused on selling bitmap ships and land plots but he still has that enthusiam in his eyes.
 
That's the saddest part of this, 5 years in and you still can't shut Chris Roberts* up - whereas David Braben has ghosted.
As for the FSS, I like it! but I do think the honk should still show undiscovered planets (if only in wireframe with no info).

* Yea, I know he still is focused on selling bitmap ships and land plots but he still has that enthusiam in his eyes.

Greed not enthusiasm.

DBOBE still talks about ED enthusiastically and regularly. Just not here.
 
There's only one person who goes around saying that.. at least there's 20 people who don't it seems.

Its about 50/50 in this thread at least, considering the one off posts and people who do and dont like it that dont care anymore.

Its a curiosity of course. Frontier will likely only respond to PR. If they go on metrics alone it will take them months to even wake up. Sadly elite isn't a passion project, its part of a growing developer working on 5 or 6 simultaneous projects. As long as we keep checking the measure for ourselves we'll be fine. It really is true they wont miss us on the way out.

Really. Doesn't look like that to me.
 
Here you go:


I had a bit of trouble with controller input spikes, not the games fault just my well worn FCS throttle :)

This reminds me. Now that the holidays are done, I really need to sit down and make that video I've been intending to make for two weeks now. ;) I've got a two week gap between the end of the holiday season, and the start of inventory, so best to take advantage of this lull at work. :(

For now, I hope you don't mind if I use your video for illustration purposes. ;)

Looking at your video, a couple of things stood out that I do differently when I'm using the FSS.
  1. I normally park right beside the sun. This maximizes the chances of spotting eclipse candidates, which is near the top of my Interesting Things(tm) list.
  2. 1:04 - I can already tell that there's at least four giants in this system (see the broad the lines are in the Class I band). At this stage, I would normally tune into the part of the band that covers the broadest area, which happens to be the Class I band. I would say five is more probable, but I could be wrong. I can't quite tell if the giant at the left is a water giant, or a gas giant with life.
  3. 1:10 - Here's where I called out "Binary Giant!" You can tell by having two "gas giant" arrows pointing to the same blob. This is an Interesting Thing(tm) in my opinion, and gas giants to boot, so this is something I would save to last, and move on to find the other giants.
    1. 1:17 - Here's where you've confirmed that it is a binary giant, rather than two gas giants that happened to be aligned from your point of view. You can tell by the fact that its orbit line is around a barycenter that isn't the primary star of the system.
    2. 1:20 - I would've stopped resolving moons at this stage, myself. By this time, I would've already decided I'm going to that moon for a closer look, so the rest of the moons can wait until I'm there, since most will autoresolve anyways. Ideally, I would try to do a flyby of the the gas giant's partner as well. It depends on their alignment during my approach.

And I'll have to continue this break down at a later time. It's time for me to go to work. :(

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And I’m back! Edited in a link to your video, and now, back to the commentary!

2:24 - Here’s the part of a Let’s Play where I’d be shouting at the screen right now. ;) In all seriousness, in a 20 body system with 4-5 gas giants, most of the smaller bodies are probably moons. Seeing your reticle approach two gravity wells in close alignment, I was wishing you were tuned in to the gas giant band, which would tell me which of those two blobs might be the “uncertain” contact so I could resolve it, as well if both were gas giants (they were).

As it turns out, it was a gas giant with water based life. That immediately goes to the top of my “must visit” list for the system, to probe it, which I’d do by selecting it after resolving it. The other gas giant (and any moons) could either be resolved through a flyby on my way to my first stop, or if it’s on the farther out, use the FSS to resolve it as I’m braking at my destination.

That’s one of the reasons why, BTW, I don’t want the old ADS functionality added back into the FSS. I wouldn’t be able to use the navigation panel or system map for fear of spoilers, and I generally resolve bodies only if I think they might be interesting. It makes navigation easier...

And my break is over already? Seriously? To be continued...

edit the second: the re-commentary

3:03 - I see I was right about five gas giants. ;)

and

4:02 - I was also right about most of the smaller bodies being moons. Unless I missed something, I believe they all are. *goes back* Yes, they all are.

And I’m out of time again. I know I caught up on the rest of this thread, but still...
 
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