The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Ko Shiji]

Hello there,
I'm currently heading straight to the Zurara from FR delta site, after which i plan to go as far as i can into the void, following the Riedquat-Reorte axis.

I did that, about half a year ago.

Riedquat and Reorte are too close together; the system coordinates you get from the map only have a few decimals of precision, and the line they form is determined by 2 points only a few LY apart. Trying to extend such a line 20k LY will give you a huge compounded margin of error. So, instead, I took the Riedquat + Zurara system coordinates, and extended THAT (12k LY) line to the edge of the galaxy (to 20k LY).

I tried to follow this line as best I could, but it's a huge distance past Zurara, and with 60LY jump range, many stars are bypassed, so it's certainly quite possible to "miss" star systems of any importance. I did notice one odd thing, but it may be just an artifact of the stellar forge: past the Formidine rift you're flying through a thin sheet of fuel stars, sandwiched between thick layers of sub-M, like a galaxy-wide Oreo.

In any case, the R-Z line takes you slightly UNDER the thickness of the galactic disk, so you'll hit rarefied stars earlier than if you try to go down the middle of it to the farthest stars. I tried to hit the galactic edge, but with 60 LY (120 charged), I had to detour upwards and then come back down to the line, in order to get at the "farthest star" along the line. The systems at the very edge had already been discovered by someone else, but you may see my name on a few stars close to the edge. I flew around and did full system scans, with the Adv. Discovery Scanner and the DSS we had available at the time (3.0). The info we had at the time seemed to indicate that Raxxla may be a planet that does not appear on the system map, so I did full system scans and counted in-flight orbit lines vs. planets appearing on the system map. Didn't find anything, of course.

 

[Scytale]

Give Frontiers usual modus operandi, <snip>...

This ^
As I like to say again and again: it's Macros' fault ! He came too close too early !

Anyway, the most solid hint we have is also the most recent. What clue could be better than...
A picture of The Myth ?

Spoiler

 

[Armstrong]

Probably OT, but was there anything odd about Rasalgethi that you noticed when you were there?

It should be a semi-variable star, with stellar gas shells visible out to about 90 AU. If it just looked "normal", then that is another tick for the "Variable stars are either omitted or implemented as standard stars" hypothesis that I'm developing...

I didn't see anything out of the ordinary, aside from the aforementioned issue with pop-in at 96KLs. Definitely nothing to indicate any semblance of variability, but to be completely honest I also wasn't looking for that kind of behavior specifically, so there's a chance I missed it.

 

[Non Grata]

During one of the Creator Roundtable streams, DJ Truthsayer said that FDEV have come out and said that someone has actually travelled through the system that Raxxla is in, unaware of the fact.

1) Is there a source for that? I'm assuming that it was on a gameplay stream or something, rather than an official announcement or forum post. But I thought I'd ask?

2) This would narrow our search down to only previously visited systems. Which I don't know if there's a way to even catalog that considering the amount of players.

It's still a TON of systems and "narrow" isn't exactly the right term, of course, but relatively speaking it's also not 400 billion etc.

Nobody's yet provided a source..

 

[CMDR Aldedaran]

What do you think of the theory that you only get access to Raxxla if you have all four elite ranks? Combat - Trade - Explorer - CQC

http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Pilots_Federation#Ranks

Because:
Raxxla itself is a feudal world with reptile race with higher technology level than humans. Raxxlans were extremely hostile to every other race. War was what they loved and aimed for. Raxxla itself is not hard to find. Raxxlans will attack without hesitation giving out their location. The closer you get more aggressive they become.

 

[Ayn Otori]

That's the whole point of it being "personal travel", i don't eally expect any galnet articles or anything like that.
But having some sort of confirmation ingame (like finding something that will support your thought that the path is right) would be cool.
Still, there might be one already, we just haven't found it and are on the wrong path.

Anything weired during your witchspace jums in H&S?

Nah nothing. Also nnothing around Formadine Alpha site. I'll jump some more, see if anything happens.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

The Dark Wheel now begins their conquest across the Bubble? How weird. I used to think they were a mere front for marketing thrumpberry flavouring...

Clearly Thrumpberry is a major constituent of Hexedit serum.....

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

What do you think of the theory that you only get access to Raxxla if you have all four elite ranks? Combat - Trade - Explorer - CQC

http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Pilots_Federation#Ranks

Because:
Raxxla itself is a feudal world with reptile race with higher technology level than humans. Raxxlans were extremely hostile to every other race. War was what they loved and aimed for. Raxxla itself is not hard to find. Raxxlans will attack without hesitation giving out their location. The closer you get more aggressive they become.

Unlikely, since DB said Raxxla has been in-game from the outset, whereas I think CQC came later.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

During one of the Creator Roundtable streams, DJ Truthsayer said that FDEV have come out and said that someone has actually travelled through the system that Raxxla is in, unaware of the fact.

1) Is there a source for that? I'm assuming that it was on a gameplay stream or something, rather than an official announcement or forum post. But I thought I'd ask?

2) This would narrow our search down to only previously visited systems. Which I don't know if there's a way to even catalog that considering the amount of players.

It's still a TON of systems and "narrow" isn't exactly the right term, of course, but relatively speaking it's also not 400 billion etc.

Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to track down the source of that comment and report it in this thread for verification. Nobody else who mentions this myth has mentioned a Creator Roundtable stream or DJ Truthsayer as the source, so you’re well ahead of the pack.

The common perception is that this is a load of (male cow). However given that lore implies Raxxla is likely to be within or near the current human bubble (due to limitations of early jump drives) then as a fact it is quite likely since we now understand (TDW codex entry) that FD have utilised technology that was capable of evading detection by the old style ADS.

This post will self-destruct in 10 seconds. As will I if I don’t get another coffee soon (bad night).

 

[eadghe]

I took a look at the Raxxla logo from the codex and here is some tin-foil I came up with. Not sure if someone else had this idea before me but at least I don't know about it.
My assumption is that the logo represents a map or a guide to how to access the Raxxla system.

Spoiler

I assume there are 6 stars somewhere, s1 to s6. The centre of the logo represents the system in which Raxxla is located and this system does not show up in the system map. The 3 curved structures (m1 to m3) represent something like one-way mirrors or fields which let you through from one side but stop you from the other. This means that in order to access the system one must jump either from s2 to s5 or from s4 to s1 or from s6 to s3. Jumping to one of the systems from somewhere else or jumping to some other system or even jumping in the opposite direction does nothing.

I also assume that the 6 starts are close to the bubble but not inside the bubble because traffic inside the bubble is too high and people would have accessed the system accidental many times. I also think the 6 starts are very close to each other (probably < 10ly) so that it is rather unlikely that someone made one of those jumps because people usually use highest jump range outside of the bubble. If someone would made the correct jump by accident, he would probably not realized this because in order to do so, he would have to realize that the system name (or even the start class) is different from the original target.

So, how to check this idea? One would need to write a program which tries to find a combination of 3 pairs of systems which are close to each other and where the line segments between the pairs go through (roughly) the same point.


I know that this is totally theoretical but I though I share it anyway.

 

[CyberTribe]

Unlikely, since DB said Raxxla has been in-game from the outset, whereas I think CQC came later.

It could've been ingame but without means to access it, like, it can be a surface site, so it became accessable only after Horizons. Or permit-locked, which is more likely IMO.
Still i don't think 3E/4E ranks are requiered, the way it is spelled in CODEX quest to find Raxxla/DarkWheel is not a series of missions, but more like a series of things you need to do without instructions.
Also, i guess Raxxla and DW appearing in CODEX this path is some kind of a proof that the way to access it is finally implemented.


Now looking at Fluk memorial, a listening post in heart nebula. Knowing how those Formidine rift LPs were broadcasting their message only nce a day, have anyone already checked if that one does the same?
Seen an idea about it some pages earlier in that thread, not sure it's worthy, but not much worse then any other idea.

 

[Scytale]

I took a look at the Raxxla logo from the codex and here is some tin-foil I came up with. Not sure if someone else had this idea before me but at least I don't know about it.

Yeah, I stated something like that time ago here, "Bridges theory". Could be 8 bridges if we add one "up" and one "down". 8 like in Oolite...
m1 to m3 could also be some kind of defenses and the dash/dot line the "obfuscation". The central dot being the Portal/Construct..
But I keep thinking Raxxla is obfuscated in the outer rim. May have been discovered near the Bubble and then "moved" away with the help of the new alien tech. Technically, "Raxxla" can be the very Construct, not an entire planet. Like it was on Lave2 moon.

 

[eadghe]

There is also this "personal journey..." quote which would mean that it is not something someone could figure out and then share it with others (unless the systems are in a permit locked area)... However, this could be also the case with the original journey to Raxxla (via Shinrarta Dezhra) which I think was dropped by FD.

 

[Scytale]

Yes, I think the "obfuscation" will be pulled out for the "Chosen" only.

 

[Han_Zen]

Yeah, I stated something like that time ago here, "Bridges theory". Could be 8 bridges if we add one "up" and one "down". 8 like in Oolite...
m1 to m3 could also be some kind of defenses and the dash/dot line the "obfuscation". The central dot being the Portal/Construct..
But I keep thinking Raxxla is obfuscated in the outer rim. May have been discovered near the Bubble and then "moved" away with the help of the new alien tech. Technically, "Raxxla" can be the very Construct, not an entire planet. Like it was on Lave2 moon.

I think the symbolism already have an up and down. It's the same basic pattern as the Dark Wheel logo, hat also represents a wheel station.
I'm thinking the axis are to be viewed as:

North, south, east and west could be in either the galactic plane or the ecliptic plane.
If you use the ecliptic, you will get Polaris in 'UP' and the Royal stars approximately in NSEW. Down is a bit more questionable.

 

[Scytale]

You see why I always say: "Let's keep this infiltrated Canonn mole close to us by stuffing him with biscuits" ?
He'll take us to The Myth in no time !

 

[Han_Zen]

You see why I always say: "Let's keep this infiltrated Canonn mole close to us by stuffing him with biscuits" ?
He'll take us to The Myth in no time !

Since you ask so nice, I'll give you one for the Galactic plane as well.

Coma Berenice or Berenice's hair, is an interesting constellation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coma_Berenices

It's named after the legend of Berenice II, queen of Egypt(Greek), that sacrificed her hair to the goods(Aphrodite in particular). This was to ensure the safe return of her husband form war.

Alpha Coma Berenices is placed safely on her brow. It's also known as Diadem. Named to symbolize the jewels in her hair.

There is plenty of parets grief and lovers woe in her story as well. She had her first husband killed while in bed with his lover. The lover was Berenice's mother.
Later she was killed by order of her own son.

Coma Berenice is the home of the Coma Supercluster of galaxies. This contains several large galaxy clusters. There is also a dwarf galaxy in Coma.
In the Coma cluster of galaxies we even have the the Black Eye Galaxy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Eye_Galaxy
Black eyes is a reoccurring theme in the Astrophel and Stella poem.

What about the Ophalos, the galactic plane and the axis then?
Coma Berenice also contain the Galactic north pole.

This is easy to find in game. Just go to Sol and hit 'R', in the Galaxy map. 30 Comae Berenices is closest. 31 Comae Berenices is also very close. This matches RL data.

On a side note, Coma Berenice is constellation number 42 according to size. The answer is always 42, isn't it?

Almost forgot the constellation symbol for Coma Berenice.

It looks quite spirally.

 

[CMDR Kyzer]

So im new to the hunt for the Raxxla but ive done some research, and in the opinion of you ladies and gentleman who have apparently been on the hunt for some time, what is the general consensus of the area of space that should be focused on? Near the bubble? Near Sag A? Edge of the galaxy? Or is the entire galaxy free reign? Any input is greatly appreciated, im out in the black right now and i plan to stay out there for 8 months, ill go wherever the leads take me.

 

[Cmdr SpaceMerlin]

Still a new account, hope this won't get buried, but thought it might interest you. Equip tinfoil hats

Long story short: i found a system that can't be flown to, can't be selected, but is there on the map. It might be a bug, a mistake on my part, or some placeholder, but.



A few days back, i made a thread on EliteExplorers over at Reddit a few days back about possible links between FR Alpha site's messages and Raxxla's Codex entry (i also posted here about it).

It yielded, from fellow commanders, a lot of info that i had never known, missed out on or forgot, among which Salomé's message that the Formidine Rift, Hawking's Gap and The Conflux all are tied to what happened in the Pleiades at the time (the return of the Thargoids). And we also know that Thargoids may have some kind of relation with Raxxla (possibly hinted by the Delphi renaming thing and how it relates to clues about Omphalos).

Hawking's Gap retained my attention, because, with a little bit of reaching, one could see the Pueliae Nebula, right in the middle of it, as the "Jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies" (with the eye being Sag A* and the brow being the gap between the Scutum and Carina arms).

So i opened my galactic map, wanting to bookmark some random place in said nebula for future use when i'm back from the Rift in a month or two, and i found this thing:

Spoiler

Pueliae AA-A H0. It sits right in the middle of the nebula, in the center of Hawking's Gap. You can find it through the search bar, but you can't bookmark it, or even get any info on it for that matter. No entry about it on EDDB nor EDSM either, so it never was accessed. Are there many systems like this?

My current theory (which will probably change a thousand times before i go to bed tonight) is that Raxxla may be in the Bubble, but the "bridges" to access it are scattered across the Galaxy. There may be one in the Formidine Rift, one in Hawking's Gap, one in the Conflux, and maybe others.



Oh, also:

I did that, about half a year ago.

Riedquat and Reorte are too close together; the system coordinates you get from the map only have a few decimals of precision, and the line they form is determined by 2 points only a few LY apart. Trying to extend such a line 20k LY will give you a huge compounded margin of error. So, instead, I took the Riedquat + Zurara system coordinates, and extended THAT (12k LY) line to the edge of the galaxy (to 20k LY).

I tried to follow this line as best I could, but it's a huge distance past Zurara, and with 60LY jump range, many stars are bypassed, so it's certainly quite possible to "miss" star systems of any importance. I did notice one odd thing, but it may be just an artifact of the stellar forge: past the Formidine rift you're flying through a thin sheet of fuel stars, sandwiched between thick layers of sub-M, like a galaxy-wide Oreo.

In any case, the R-Z line takes you slightly UNDER the thickness of the galactic disk, so you'll hit rarefied stars earlier than if you try to go down the middle of it to the farthest stars. I tried to hit the galactic edge, but with 60 LY (120 charged), I had to detour upwards and then come back down to the line, in order to get at the "farthest star" along the line. The systems at the very edge had already been discovered by someone else, but you may see my name on a few stars close to the edge. I flew around and did full system scans, with the Adv. Discovery Scanner and the DSS we had available at the time (3.0). The info we had at the time seemed to indicate that Raxxla may be a planet that does not appear on the system map, so I did full system scans and counted in-flight orbit lines vs. planets appearing on the system map. Didn't find anything, of course.

Thanks for all the info (still a new account, can't give points rn). I figured i wouldn't be the first one to attempt the thing, and you actually made it in a way more professional fashion than i expect to myself. My spirit right now is mainly enjoying the new exploration/mining stuff (then hitting Trade Elite once back in the Bubble), while on the side still lightly investigating / helping if there happens to be POIs on my path.

 

[CyberTribe]

So im new to the hunt for the Raxxla but ive done some research, and in the opinion of you ladies and gentleman who have apparently been on the hunt for some time, what is the general consensus of the area of space that should be focused on? Near the bubble? Near Sag A? Edge of the galaxy? Or is the entire galaxy free reign? Any input is greatly appreciated, im out in the black right now and i plan to stay out there for 8 months, ill go wherever the leads take me.

Well, the thing is - most likely Raxxla and DarkWheel station are inside or close to the Bubble.
But it's as well possible that key for finding it or accessing it is far there in the void.



Also, one of strange things that i stumbled upon, it's most likely not connected to the Raxxla search, but why not:

On the wiki and Cannon website there is listed only one comms beacon for Formidine site Beta in Eafots LZ-H b10-0
However arriving there i found 2 of those.
Quick google didn't get me a definitive answer, so was it already discussed and discovered earlier, or is that one beacon a new thing, as it's not listed in the original Formidine rift project?