The Quest To Find Raxxla

Nemac · Mar 17, 2019

Xaintly said:
Thanks for checking, CMDR Nemac! Sorry I missed your post until now. Did you find anything at Wepua MV-Y d3028?

No, my computer/GPU had trouble and I was stuck half way. .(
Computer is fixed now and i try to get there this days...

Sorry :/

Noobilite · Mar 17, 2019

MrMarkusCZ said:
Well I wanted be quiet but ... yes there are many possibilities when we know code but no idea about meaning. Some sectors have "RA-X" in system name - for example Praea Euq RA-X b15-0. I'm using check AA-A hx (where x is number) systems for wolf rayet and other rare stars. There is logic behind naming systems (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-the-system-name-reveals-the-main-star-mostly). Is something uncommon for systems named RA-X? Is it worth of effort to try find some RA-X hx because hx contains special stars often and we all know Raxxla is very special ( haha maybe really rogue planet or rogue (intergalactic) star ) ?

I was trying to find a raxxla that way but couldn't. I was hoping by following the other idea on names that you could get a system wide version with actual RA-X XL-A as a guide based on:

https://www.reddit.com/r/eliteexplorers/comments/3rekys/star_system_name_meanings_sector_subsector/

I was hoping there was a way to find a single generic location based centered on sol or sag A.

It makes a really big grid with an interesting correlation potentially to your screen resolution: 1280x1024 for, "R." 1,310,720. (1280x1024 is used in later screen resolutions for probably the FE/FE2 games. Coincidence?! ) Although I think my understanding of this is completely flawed.

But there is another oddity that could fit with the spiraling star code thing. There were only like two letters that were ever numbers. You could combine things to get a galaxy wide, or larger, coordinate. This is a much larger grid than the galaxymap. But would it be within the galaxy map or confirm it's one of the other galaxies like andromida somehow potentially. If you look at real coordinates only 2 letters are ever numbers. So, you could interchnage the letters and one of them might be usable with the spiraling star thing if needed.

http://bestcodes.weebly.com/spiral-cipher.html

Although use of such a cipher is highly questionable unless there is some in game connection. Although if there is an in game connection I would likely have missed it or have forgotten about it and usually do.

You would be looking at it from a standpoint of RA-X XL-A I think. The last two chunks of letters/numbers only potentially also. I might be mixxing up methods though. This greatly simplifies where it might be from a coordinate standpoint, but I'm really bad at this. Where would this be if centered at Sol or SagA?! I think remembering that the two numbers can be single or multi digit numbers.

RA-X X#-#

RA-X XL-A
RA-X XL-1
RA-X XL-30
RA-X X12-A
RA-X X12-1
RA-X X12-30

Is there any actual location capable of making this location, or is there a hypothetical location on or outside the map that could be pointed to and identified. It might be interesting where it leads. Either centered on sol or sagA. I couldn't figure out where the generic spot would be if you imagined a grid that was the size of R=1,310,720.

Although I have found a single large plane in the middle of the map that is thin and spans the entire galaxy as far as I can tell. I wonder if it is the correct size for such an odd sector. It is just above the Barnard loop and is partially made up of col 70 at the top I think.

https://imgur.com/a/uZSofC9 <This spans potentially the entire galaxy or bigger. It is not just located at those locations.

What size would an R based sector be? I hadn't quite figured that out yet.

And where would RA-X be located if you imagined a grid potentially larger than the gal map?!

Obviously those pics I showed show things bigger than R based.... So, it must not be impossible within the gal map. If not P is close to start with.

Edit:

There are indeed RA- systems

https://imgur.com/3HX9Pd3

If you went through every sector you could try to find RA-X X

Best find so far: https://imgur.com/wzqwHe0

Haven't found RA-X X yet though. But this is a little promising. Is there a complete list of sector names?

There are tons of RA-X ones though. It would use up lots of someones time if that is what they wanted. 8)

Each sector may have 1 or more RA-X systems
RA-X ##-#List: (growing)
Col 70 Sector
FLYOOE EOHN
PYULT
FLYAE DRYE
PRAE DRYE
PROOE DRYE
SWOIWNS
SYNUEFAI
OOCHOST
SLEGAO
PLOI THUA
QIEDEA
HYPOAE AIN
HYPOAE AIM
EAFOTS
AUCOFS
AUCOPP
BLEIA EOHN
BLEAE THUA
STUEMAEA
PHAA AUG
PHRIO PRAO
WREDGUIA
WREGOE
SYNUEFE
EOS CHREA
EOS BRIAE
PlOI FREE
SKAUDE
UMBAIRRS
SCAULAO
etc
....

RA-X X#-#

#=number or letter)
....

That or an HD or HIP with 6 numbers:

916631(numbers combined)
916833(numbers combinedSpiraling cipher)

or something with full numbers: (maybe 2mass or similar)

1812424121
18124531230

BTW, if, "CORE SYS SECTOR," were to have a RA-X X#-# system which one would it be. Most of them are named so it would be really hard to figure out. That could be where Raxxla is. It would be a very simple logical way to say what raxxla originally was. The pre named system label for a currently named system. That might be the trick to finding raxxla. It might just be that straightforward. In fact that would make the most sense if early travel was limited. That means it would have to be:

CORE SYS Sector RA-X X#-#:

RA-X XL-A
RA-X XL-1
RA-X XL-30
RA-X X12-A
RA-X X12-1
RA-X X12-30

Particularly with how old the Raxxla myth is. And the entire ordeal makes you learn the system naming convention to figure out exploration properly. Makes sense if it's related to the dark wheel somehow or is a joke/lesson for explorers.

I still haven't figured out how to figure out a hypothetical point in a sector based on those letters/numbers though.

Edit: Alternatively could that mean it could be any system that has a non normal name like an HIP, HD, NGC, 2mass, SSTGBS, or anything else commonly in certain structures if it's not in core sys or the surrounding name filled sectors? It would be a reason to whittle the search field down and it's all stuff you could never find from a gal map search without other knowledge to guide as it has a non standard name. But which entails a massive drop in the number of stars to search to figure it out.

If core sys sector is too small and so are the surrounding sectors. Maybe if you stick them together to make a bigger sector. Or potentially look to see if there were older maps to go buy. Isn't the gal map new. Or was there an older version with different sector / naming conventions. If raxxla is known to be that old we may need to look at how things were then or in the original game even. How has it changed from game to game. And do we know anything about the way stars were labeled in the period we know as the oldest mention of raxxla or similar. Is it also possibly they had an older bigger sector over the bubble that could hide a raxxla system or did the sectors change over time or at any other periods?

http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Raxxla
http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/INRA

Are we sure this is not cannon?

Han_Zen · Mar 17, 2019

MrMarkusCZ said:
Well I wanted be quiet but ... yes there are many possibilities when we know code but no idea about meaning. Some sectors have "RA-X" in system name - for example Praea Euq RA-X b15-0. I'm using check AA-A hx (where x is number) systems for wolf rayet and other rare stars. There is logic behind naming systems (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-the-system-name-reveals-the-main-star-mostly). Is something uncommon for systems named RA-X? Is it worth of effort to try find some RA-X hx because hx contains special stars often and we all know Raxxla is very special ( haha maybe really rogue planet or rogue (intergalactic) star ) ?

There are several systems with ......ra XX-L A in the name.
romilau have checked most of them. It’s all documeted in this thread.

Macros Black · Mar 17, 2019

Probably the Brown dwarf layer. Extends from -30Ly to ~-130Ly across most of the galaxy, although not near the galactic rim.

Nemac · Mar 17, 2019

Nemac said:
No, my computer/GPU had trouble and I was stuck half way. .(
Computer is fixed now and i try to get there this days...

Sorry :/

In the Sys now.. nothing special. VSS done.. Mapping of 1a-1d done. 2a-2i probably tomorrow

bluecrash · Mar 17, 2019

The book was investigated, with the only real hard to get book of the same title by a women named Burnell.
1. The book
We purchased the book from Amazon [1] and read through it. The clue in the codex is "for those with eyes to see" so we relied on the pictures. There were three pictures or pulsar 1.a PSR B1509-58 (hand of god), Circinus Pulsar
1.c PSR B0355+54 (so far not found in the game)
The Hand of God pulsar is heavily traveled and at a distance of 17k Ly we have not made the travel yet.

Investigating locations with 'Burnell' in the name
We have visited at least three of these locations but there doesn't appear to be any correlation with Burnell or any people or projects she was associated with. There is apparently no pattern to the location of the stations other than each station is 10-15ly further than the next station. We are currently not pursuing any leads based on the station names. Stations are listed in the image attached to this article.

bluecrash · Mar 17, 2019

I tried ejecting a SAP 8 Core container into the slot at the back of the Shinrata D Station- nothing. This was the only plain sight hiding mechanic I tested.

ExoForce · Mar 17, 2019

Reasonable speculation (since I can not play next 2 weeks): one could closely examine "central tower" in the back of Shinrata Dezhra.
There may be some clues on the plates. Ive seen some hand placed artwork using external camera under weird angles on some other stations
(not talking here about applied textures). No false hopes, but this is not a joke.

Noobilite · Mar 17, 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AsfgQqbRKM

http://www.elitehomepage.org/dkwheel.htm

The space station gently span away into the shadows and the small Ophidian class vessel shuddered as its motors angled it round towards the Faraway jump.

This might be worth looking into.

'Raxxla!' Jason said. 'Remember: Raxxla!' Then, as he pushed Alex back into the cramped escape pod, he shouted, 'Remember me, Alex! I wouldn't have wished this on you. Raxxla!'

It almost makes me think he's calling alex raxxla. Ok, maybe not. But I wonder if this means jason is dark wheel. Maybe the line about keeping your children away from it is about this. Probably reading into it too much though.

A pirate ship, disguised as a trader, pursuing its victim into Witch-Space itself . . . for their cargo of . . .
Thrumpberry flavouring?

Never underestimate the value of thrumpberry flavoring!

Tethered below this vast, rotating mausoleum is the dodecahedral shape of a 'Dodo' class space station, the home of the Cemetery Authorites. Here you go through security checks and get your visitor's visa. And as you stand in the queue, staring up through the translucent ceiling of the Customs Hall, you can see the battered, broken ships of many of the dead, still attached to the silent tomb that contains the body.
It's a good enough reason to come to Tionisla. There are pickings aplenty among the wrecks. The treasures of centuries might be revealed by pressing the right panel on the right cube of black, alien metal as it floats silently by.
Or maybe not treasure, just the tomb's defences . . .
A pit with a laser.
A robot guardian with knives where its hands should be.
A hyperspace vacuum that sucks you in and throws you out into another time.
You tread carefully among the wrecks in orbit about Tionisla. The creatures buried here—human and alien—had money enough to buy these prized resting places, and more than enough wealth to protect their property after death from the mercenary fingers of bounty hunters.

This storry gets more interesting. It goes into teorge and someone names elyssia fields and clones. Then talks about raxxla being a ghost world and not alien. It all starts at the systems from the original game he's talking about.

'Jason never said anything about you. I guess he was trying to protect you. The trouble is that it gives me nothing to go on: you're going to avenge your father's death—I can tell that from the look of you, and your tone, and your anger—but for all I know, that'll just mean one more Ryder will be stardust before he even manages to target a missile.'
Not liking Rafe Zetter's tone, Alex said bitterly, 'I've done hours of SimCombat. I score highly . . .'
Rafe laughed and spat voluminously, then became serious.
'Alex, there's something I've got to know. Maybe you're going to end up—'
'Pet food in orbit around Isveve!'
'Yeah. Maybe that. The only person who knew your talents was your father. Tell me, Alex, and tell me true, now . . . Did he say anything to you . . . you know . . . in the moments before he died? Did he indicate anything, or say anything?'
'He said a lot,' Alex murmured, and felt a strong pang of grief as he remembered the look in his father's eyes, the greyness of his cheeks, and his desperate words, remember me, Alex . . . 'I think he knew he was going to die. The last thing he said was the word Raxxla. I don't know what that is. An alien, I guess . . .'
Rafe smiled, shaking his head. Suddenly there was a brilliant sparkle in his eyes: 'Raxxla's no alien,
Alex. It's a ghost world. A planet. A legend . . .' He hesitated, staring quizzically at the younger man through the distant link between them, 'Jason really said that to you?'
Alex nodded. 'Moments before . . . It was the last thing he said.'

'Then he knew,' Rafe said with a nod. 'And that's good enough for me. Alex, get your frail shell to
Tionisla and take a visitor's shuttle to the orbital cemetery there. Say you've come to see the grave of
Starpilot Fleischer. And take a good look around. You do that, boy. Tomorrow. I'll be waiting for you.'
'Waiting to do what?'
Rafe chuckled. 'How're you going to hunt a Cobra? You going to hitch-hike? Or use a big stick?
You'll need a ship. Hunt like with like. Get to the wreckplace at Tionisla. I know just the vehicle you need.
Don't speak to anyone. Just get to Tionisla.'
'But—'
'Au'voir, Alex!'
And Rafe Zetter spat for the last time before the holoFac faded.
Alex didn't flinch. Something whistled past his ear and struck the wall behind him.

Xaintly · Mar 18, 2019

Here's a thought. "The search for Raxxla has been compared to the search for Atlantis, El Dorado and the Kingdom of Prester John".

- Atlantis is a system
- El Dorado is not a system
- Prester John is not a system (closest match: Preston's Star)

Dorado, however IS a whole constellation in the southern hemisphere.
The origin of the name is not related to 'El Dorado', the lost city of gold, but still... nearly all of it's stars are in Elite Dangerous.
It was "discovered" (by white people, at least) in 1592 or so.
Isn't that right around the time that godawful poem Astrophel and Stella was written (1580)?
I doubt our homeboy Pip Sydney was aware of it though, what with his head being so far up a dark region of its own.

Another fun fact about Dorado; It's the star region containing the Large Magellanic Cloud .

Anything interesting about the LMC? Oh, not much, except...

It's one of the Satellite Galaxies of the Milky Way
It's classified as a Magellanic Spiral galaxy; the only spiral galaxy out of all the Milky Way satellites
It's the 4th-largest galaxy in our local group, behind Andromeda, the Milky Way and Triangulum
It's the biggest thing visible in the skybox/galaxy map in Elite
It contains one of the most luminous stars known... S Doradus
S Doradus is in M119, an unusual spiral formation nebula within the LMC
Some of the stars in the LMC are actually closer to Sol than Sag A* (though there's no way to get there across the void).

Dorado is represented as a Dolphinfish (Dorado is the Portuguese word for such a fish), and also (incorrectly) as a swordfish or goldfish.
If it were to have a "brow", that'd probaby be Zeta Doradus (I checked it, no planets), but calling a fish the mother of all galaxies is kind of a stretch.
I guess you could imagine the fish as a female, "laying" the eggs of the LMC if you like thinking about that kind of imagery.

Most of Dorado's stars are close to the bubble. The rest are 160k ly away, outside the galaxy.
Yes, as soon as this idea occurred to me I made a beeline straight for 'Lambda Doradus' ("L Dorado") but I didn't find anything.

Here's a list of Dorado's stars, from brightest to dimmest:
I had a look at some of these systems already.

Alpha Doradus > Checked, 4 stars, no planets, USS
Beta Doradus > F White Supergiant
Gamma Doradus > Checked, A & B very close, have heat sink ready on entering system, already mapped
Delta Doradus > Empire A9
36 Doradus > (HD 40409) Orange Giant Empire K2
Zeta Doradus > Checked, F9, no planets / Almost on top of Benoit, fully explored
Theta Doradus > K2 M4
Eta-2 Doradus > Checked, M2 Red Giant, USS, all 4 already mapped, no terraformable, no gas giants
Nu Doradus > B84
Epsilon Doradus > B6v
Lambda Doradus -> Checked, G star, 9 planets, 2 moons, 1 terraformable, no gas giants
WZ Doradus > ?? not found
Kappa Doradus > Empire A5, F9
28 Doradus > (HD 37292) G8, M5 VA, lots
Pi-2 Doradus > G8, M3
R Doradus > Checked, Colonized [empire] Red Giant star, no gas giants, 2 installations
Pi-1 Doradus > K5
Eta-1 Doradus > A0 V, F1 VB
HIP 25482 > (HD 36584) Checked, M9 VI, F0 IV, K9, no planets
HIP 20109 > (HD 27604) Empire F7
HR 1597 > (HD 31746) Empire F5, G9
HR 1882 > (HD 36876) F0
Hotas > (HD 28255) G4, G6, 0 population
HR 1960 > ?? not found
HR 2408 > (HD 46730) F0, M0, K6
HR 1936 > (HD 37501) G6
HR 2073 > (HD 39963) G8, 675 ly
HR 1598 > (HD 31754) M0, 744 ly
HR 1227 > (HD 24863) A4
HR 1540 > (HD 30610) Checked, K0 (Giant), M8, USS, no terraformable, no gas giants
XY Doradus > ?? not found
XZ Doradus > ?? not found
AB Doradus > ?? not found
HIP 20606 > (HD 28254) G5, planet
HIP 21850 > (HD 30177) G8, planet
WASP-62 > F7, planet, 1100 ly
RW Doradus > K5, K5
Ptah > (Gliese 163, HIP 19394) Checked, Federation, 1 Gas Giant (no moons), no terraformable, already mapped
BB Doradus > (Multiple names, all not found)
S Doradus > (Multiple names, in N119 Spiral Nebula 160k ly away)
AA Doradus > ?? not found

Downside to this theory: I only found a couple Red Dwarf/Red Giant stars in the list.
I checked both, and neither were very dark; not good candidates for the dark wheel codex picture.

Here's another weird tidbit I noticed when I went to sell my exploration data at Delphi.
The Oracle has a lot of facilities, but no Universal Cartographics. Universal Cartographics used to be Omphalos Infotech.
So there is no Omphalos at the Oracle of Delphi. You can sell at Donar's Oak in the same system though.

Spaceman Si · Mar 18, 2019

Xaintly said:
I doubt our homeboy Pip Sydney was aware of it though, what with his head being so far up a dark region of its own.

+rep for making me laugh with that marvellously comically constructed sentence

Xaintly said:
Here's another weird tidbit I noticed when I went to sell my exploration data at Delphi.
The Oracle has a lot of facilities, but no Universal Cartographics. Universal Cartographics used to be Omphalos Infotech.
So there is no Omphalos at the Oracle of Delphi. You can sell at Donar's Oak in the same system though.

Yeah, that has been puzzling me for a while too. It seems bizarre that a huge Orbis station wouldn’t have a UC post.

I’m sure it hasn’t escaped everyone’s notice that Delphi was the location of the Oracle in Greece, considered to be the centre of the world, and also the location of the Omphalos of Delphi, a stone monument marking that site. Zeus was said to have sent two eagles flying from the Eastern and Western ends of the earth, and where they met was Delphi - the centre of Zeus’s mother, Gaia.

So the fact that there is a missing Omphalos (in this case, UC, neé Omphalos Infotech) from the centre of the Oracle at Delphi where they really should be one, is a bit of a mysterious circumstance..

Old Duck · Mar 18, 2019

Quick question, and forgive me if I missed it in that very big summary - has "The Dark Wheel" faction ever won control over the Shinrarta system? I'm assuming Shinrarta follows the same BGS rules as other systems. I just wonder if The Dark Wheel has to "come to power" in order for "things to happen". If nothing else, it would be a fun project for BGS players!

Cunder · Mar 18, 2019

Spaceman Si said:
+rep for making me laugh with that marvellously comically constructed sentence

Yeah, that has been puzzling me for a while too. It seems bizarre that a huge Orbis station wouldn’t have a UC post.

I’m sure it hasn’t escaped everyone’s notice that Delphi was the location of the Oracle in Greece, considered to be the centre of the world, and also the location of the Omphalos of Delphi, a stone monument marking that site. Zeus was said to have sent two eagles flying from the Eastern and Western ends of the earth, and where they met was Delphi - the centre of Zeus’s mother, Gaia.

So the fact that there is a missing Omphalos (in this case, UC, neé Omphalos Infotech) from the centre of the Oracle at Delphi where they really should be one, is a bit of a mysterious circumstance..

Makes sense in a mythological sense, why look around when the god knows where everything is at. In this case why need a Universal Cartographic when it knows everything is at. Could be on purpose or a hat tip to the myth itself. Or it doesn't need one as itself is the center of everything.

Cunder · Mar 18, 2019

Old Duck said:
Quick question, and forgive me if I missed it in that very big summary - has "The Dark Wheel" faction ever won control over the Shinrarta system? I'm assuming Shinrarta follows the same BGS rules as other systems. I just wonder if The Dark Wheel has to "come to power" in order for "things to happen". If nothing else, it would be a fun project for BGS players!

Well Lore wise they are just people using the name but they use the word "think" in the sentence. The Dark Wheel ( real one) probably leaves them alone due to the fact (imo and view) is a high populated station. While the others that try to claim the name disappear.

Xaintly · Mar 18, 2019

Old Duck said:
Quick question, and forgive me if I missed it in that very big summary - has "The Dark Wheel" faction ever won control over the Shinrarta system? I'm assuming Shinrarta follows the same BGS rules as other systems. I just wonder if The Dark Wheel has to "come to power" in order for "things to happen". If nothing else, it would be a fun project for BGS players!

People have tried to get the Dark Wheel to take over ShinDez, but this system seems specially hardcoded to always be controlled by the Pilots Federation.
Even if TDW gets past 50% the system won't go into conflict.

Until recently, this also meant that TDW could never enter 'expansion' state and expand out of the system, but recent changes to the BGS have allowed them to leave for the first time.

Jaiotu · Mar 18, 2019

Jorki Rasalas said:
Raxxla has been in-game since the beta (source DB),

Its only a minor distinction but I believe that Braben said that Raxxla has been in-game since Gamma not Beta. Its pretty much the same thing but if there is a quote out there from DB stating that Raxxla has been in game since Beta I'd love to see it.

Noobilite · Mar 18, 2019

Went to bow tie system. I noticed this visual anomoly. Could it be useful for finding things? It only happens potentially at similar locations with nebula. Maybe they are useful in the raxxla hunt.

Han_Zen · Mar 18, 2019

Macros Black said:
Probably the Brown dwarf layer. Extends from -30Ly to ~-130Ly across most of the galaxy, although not near the galactic rim.

All brown dwarfs. It's sort of given by the XX-L, that these are light stars.

Here is the original list I compiled: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-Find-Raxxla?p=6758426&viewfull=1#post6758426

I think romi checked them all. There are probably a few more out there, but not many.

Jorki Rasalas · Mar 18, 2019

Jaiotu said:
Its only a minor distinction but I believe that Braben said that Raxxla has been in-game since Gamma not Beta. Its pretty much the same thing but if there is a quote out there from DB stating that Raxxla has been in game since Beta I'd love to see it.

Mea Culpa! I misremembered the quote; at 66 it happens!
Especially when the caffeine level runs low, or the Lavian level runs high....

Crimson Echo · Mar 18, 2019

Recently looked at the ED sound track and it mentions "thorne-zytkow objects" (giant stars with neutron stars inside.) . This seems similar to what is shown in the Raxxla symbol, ( at least the center dot and ring).

It seems strange a reference to such an object that is as far as we know not yet in the game as part of the sound track. (It also might fit the definition of exotic star.)