By the gods... Sandro
The Quest To Find Raxxla
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By the gods... Sandro
FTL.. Wormholes.. Relativity is slippery ground. That's why ED was made "Newtonian" (but in an universe where "even light is faster than light", though).
One question, the point: is light travelling through a wormhole FTL ? Mmmh ? Ofc not. It is simply following a shorter path.
Frame reference is the point. As always in relativity.
One question, the point: is light travelling through a wormhole FTL ? Mmmh ? Ofc not. It is simply following a shorter path.
Frame reference is the point. As always in relativity.
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Exactly, the point I was trying to make
I didn't say you did travel faster than light while traversing them:
And on the instantaneous front - what's your basis for asserting instantaneousness? As a very basic point, if you have to traverse the wormhole, and are doing so slower than light, then there is a time involved in that (from everyone's perspective, though the time will vary depending on perspective).
Happy to agree however that the 'time' isn't dependent on the 'real' distance.
On the other hand, it's also worth bearing in mind that wormholes are in spacetime not space. 'Time' and 'speed' all gets very fuzzy. For example, if you travel a wormhole and come out after light would have arrived there (or even say, in the same spot, but in the future), then have you travelled faster than light?
Well light can travel through the worm hole can’t it? Therefore if you go through it at sub light speed and light is also going through it then technically you’ve not gotten there quicker than light as light also went though it and just so happened to do it first
Well you’d move through the wormhole and since your nav computer would be like ‘wait what, where’d we go?’ It wouldn’t be able to lock onto you destination and you’d probs just drop out. Your organs I mean because you’d be turned inside out. Well at least that’s what I think would happenMindblowing.
I just love "science-tinfoiling" !
Now, what if I use a Frame Shift Drive inside a wormhole ?
ORRRR that’s how you find raxxla lol. If that was actually how you could I’d vacuum pack myself
Indeed.
And is there in what I said (though maybe implicitly rather than explicitly):
@Tacticus2711 , what seems to be the point of contention is that you appear to be asserting wormholes as a special case. This may be just things getting mixed up in the posts though. So here's the point I'm making, broken down.
(All with regard to the context from earlier in the discussion...)
1. A normal object going faster than the speed of light (or even reaching it) i.e. achieving a real velocity of >= c is impossible.
2. Reaching any destination in a time* less than the minimum time* it would take light travelling through normal** spacetime involves finding way to do so that is consistent with point 1.
* time being from the perspective of someone on the start point or destination, just to keep things clean
** 'normal' spacetime meaning no wormholes, no warps, etc. just standard spacetime.
3. Because of point 1, everything that falls under FTL is as described in point 2.
4. Because of the above, there isn't anything else that's 'FTL'.
A wormhole is consistent with the above. So are Alcubierre drives (or any other type of warp drives which involve manipulating spacetime rather than classical propulsion). Hyperspace is also consistent, though the previous two have a RL foundation, whereas hyperspace doesn't.
Therefore, wormholes are just as much FTL as any of the others.
Hopefully that makes the logic/rationale behind the point I'm making clear, and allows any point of disagreement to be more clearly identified and productively discussed.
Okay but, hear me out, if light travels through the worm hole with you then it would arrive at the same time as you or even faster than you? Yeah you’ve said standard space time bla bla etc but if you created a wormhole and light went through it
and then YOU went through it that light would arrive sooner than you and therefore you’d be travelling at sublight speeds.
Hypothetical I know but still it’s possible
and then YOU went through it that light would arrive sooner than you and therefore you’d be travelling at sublight speeds.
Hypothetical I know but still it’s possible
The real issue here is that locating post-FTL generation ships without knowing the exact method of travel gets quite fuzzy.
Generation ships by design are ment to house a base number of individuals with room for many future generations to live, learn, and crew the vessels as the time it would take to reach the intended destination would far outstrip the human lifespan.
With FTL driven vessels, Generation Ships would ony be considered if the fastest mode of travel wouldn't allow a crew to survive the trip in their lifetime. Of course this doesn't take into account relativity.
Generation ships by design are ment to house a base number of individuals with room for many future generations to live, learn, and crew the vessels as the time it would take to reach the intended destination would far outstrip the human lifespan.
With FTL driven vessels, Generation Ships would ony be considered if the fastest mode of travel wouldn't allow a crew to survive the trip in their lifetime. Of course this doesn't take into account relativity.
BROOOO if that’s actually how you find it I’d laugh so hard my tonsils fall outHere we are !
Humanity never worked with wormholes until INRA reverse engineered Thargoid tech.
Yeah that’s what we’ve been on about for the last like 3 pages hehe
(No offence intended sorry if it seamed a but snappy)
That means the discovery of Raxxla dates before we had access to wormholes.
I wondered where that tattoo went! Who's was it again? MB's?
