Roadmap leaked??

Its an interesting topic. By chance when i started playing, the mission board was so not lucrative and undeveloped that you were better off going to the sandbox to get started. All the guides on youtube and reddit suggested going bounty hunting as the first thing you did. Watching this change and evolve over the years was a little bit dismaying. It was obviously a response to new players (??) seeing the inadequate mission board first infront of them, not having seen any guides, and making complaints loud enough to move the mountain to get frontier to act on it. Then there was the snowballing effect of the people who were accommodated by this making further developed complaints and frontier continuing to respond, for years the sandbox was long forgotten and languished while frontier changed the systems and watched the effect on steam reviews. The sandbox pillars for years became role play (i was fine with this).

I thought the best time of the mission board was around 2.1 to 2.2. Frontier every patch was connecting the mission board closer to the bgs.. and there were really lucrative outlier conditions as well where if you combined bubble location, population, station economy, controlling faction government and economic state, you could go and FIND within the bubble stations that had nothing but lists of stackable missions of exactly the type you wanted to play. The exploration and goldmine game was so good. I did for hundreds of hours finding my own systems which you could stack skimmers, medium range cargo delivery, data delivery and get superpower rep that wasn't one of the publicly known ones. I loved it. You ended up with a handful of systems which you could look in and if they were boom say know it was up for exploiting. That's how i earned my credit balance anyway. Of course this was too hard for the majority to work out. Every upvoted complaint i heard about stations with no missions filled me with dread and we are were we are today... zero variation except based on station economy and possibly a really weak influence from active state.

The main intention i get from the mission board is a year old balance pass of what frontier want you to be earning off missions, same base stacking completely removed (and replaced by wing missions, not the same).. and zero value in trying to find another station apart from the one you're on.

For personal fun i going back to the sandbox might be it. Its probably a royal shame that anything interesting out of the stations has been watered out if anything. It was fun having a reason to go explore the bubble. Roleplay it is.
I remember those day too. Was playing well before launch. I remember picking up a mission that paid me 500cr. Now they are 50,000cr. Go from sidewinder to Cobra in a matter of hours these days. It took me a couple of months when I started. For me it was much better like that.
 
I believe the misunderstanding with missions is that they became lucrative much later on in Elite's development history Anyhow.
Yup. I remember those days. Fun days too.

I agree that it would be more ideal to have quest-fashion missions, instead of the detached and impersonal contract sort of thing we've had all this while. The trouble is how to apply that to procedural generation and come out with something coherent; it'd certainly take creativity and talent on the writing side of things.
It would have to be done with templates. You get an initial mission which then leads to a choice of three other missions, which then leads to a choice of two missions type of thing. They would be designed so there is some logical progression no matter what missions comes next.
 
I remember those day too. Was playing well before launch. I remember picking up a mission that paid me 500cr. Now they are 50,000cr. Go from sidewinder to Cobra in a matter of hours these days. It took me a couple of months when I started. For me it was much better like that.

I wouldn't trade getting to experience real ship progression for anything. I loved trying out every ship in the game because i wanted to and out of boredom before getting to the next tier. Slave hauling (not the dumb and dumber biowaste version) was one of the best experiences to be had in video games (while you were learning and unsure of success).

Hell yeah it was good.

No mission board apart from cargo and rep. No engineering either.. when you bought your new ship it was good to go right there, huge grins lets try it out! not some extra burdern of all this upgrade stuff in case you run into ai.

Here’s some memory lanes. I think I like the witchspace animations better before they added the clouds in. That feeling when you were getting raised out of Robigo mines was excitement.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBiWv-7bS4
 
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Just throwing in my 2 cents, but i liked missions when I was first starting out. Delivery missions actually started me on exploration. I remember finding a couple of stations that were close to each other that we offering data delivery missions to the Colonia region for like 3 mil each. I used all my money to kit out a DBE and got a full stack of those missions. After going there and back I had enough to build up my Challenger, it was an amazing feeling. I really felt that i put it all on the line for a game that really paid off.

I started last year, and the ship progression seemed slow, but appropriate. I think if it took months to upgrade out of a sidewinder, I probably would have put the game down. I went in with the goal of getting a Corvette, and with no exploits or min/maxing, it still took 364 hours.
 
No reason that fdev can't start sharing some of their ideas about what they mean by base building and legs. Both are still huge areas and it would be good to set some expectations (not that it would stop the more inventive forumites going off at a tangent, but let me dream :) )
 
Break out a space legs dance once again. Yeah. Getting in and out of my cobra 4 is gonna be amazing :p

Imagine if the other option were true, and it was confirmed to be atmospheric planets. How much of a let down would that be, ideology aside.
 
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Imagine if the other option were true, and it was confirmed to be atmospheric planets. How much of a let down would that be, ideology aside.

Both Space Legs and atmo planets were on their long-term plan, so both will most likely arrive anyway. I feel like it makes more sense to polish the walking around experience before we can set foot on atmo planets.
 
Tick number... what is it, five, now?

I was onboard three reveals ago, but this is still surprising me. Leak 100% legit, someone's job is on the line, and there's no stopping it now.
 
Just in case, have you guys seen the full recent leak? http://archive.ph/A5WEE#selection-823.0-823.27

There's enough there to fire and sue whoevers doing it if its not authorised. Good one frontier. Too good to talk to us? Poor plebby customers keep asking for a bone. Boo hoo.

Im kinda excited about the jwe stuff actually :)
The odd thing about that "leak" is that it carries the signs of being deliberately casual and therefore fake. "Can't remember the name ... was in a phone call," .... "oh and for Elite Dangerous fans ... here's the Thargoid."

And yet it is all testable with time, so the combination is very odd. Almost as if it's a deliberate leak trying to look covert.
 
To be honest, we already kind of knew what was going to come. Sandro moved to a "different project" and last we've seen him, he was in really good shape because he started walking a lot. Yeah, he's been working on his legs for quite some time now. :D
 
And yet it is all testable with time, so the combination is very odd. Almost as if it's a deliberate leak trying to look covert.
Exactly. I would like to add that

Frontier is underestimating its Elite: Dangerous player base

Their claim "We don't announce anything, so you don't end up disappointed" no longer holds water and the best proof is that after delaying the fleet carriers and new ice planets shaders did you see us rage about it?! No, you didn't. We understand. And we wait.

P.S. Think about it this way: If better things are coming, maybe more of my friends would buy the game right now to be ready for those things in the future. That's how it goes.

I don't get you Frontier, I really don't.
 
The odd thing about that "leak" is that it carries the signs of being deliberately casual and therefore fake. "Can't remember the name ... was in a phone call," .... "oh and for Elite Dangerous fans ... here's the Thargoid."

And yet it is all testable with time, so the combination is very odd. Almost as if it's a deliberate leak trying to look covert.

I didn't think it was that clever, more related it to the increasing industry trend to deliberately leak info when it suits them. Apple do it routinely, EA did it with anthem etc.

Also would make an odd guess though, while other companies are fishing for market research, it might be that frontier are just trying to be nice given the official word is nothing for 2 years + "we're good if you go until we're ready" (from pages replies the other day).

I don't get you Frontier, I really don't.

Its more important to frontier to be frontier than to get it objectively right? Im still not used to this.
 
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