The Quest To Find Raxxla

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Filthymick420 said:
I'm thinking this is from the dark wheel novella. So far it's the only one that I've actually finished reading I'm on and here the wheel right now but I haven't finished it and I know I've read that text somewhere before. so with Robert holdstock as the author of the dark wheel novella and him being credited for the quotes I'm certain it's from the dark wheel.
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Steve Eisler is the Pen name of Robert Holdstock https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Holdstock Holdstock's novel "The Dark Wheel",was included with the best-selling computer game Elite in 1984
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[IRH] DW - Systems with toroid stations and 1 GG w/ 8 moons within 300ly of Sol - toroid station is at most 300ls of 8th moon

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Jaiotu

Jaiotu
TotallySirius said:
Could somebody point me to the source of this quote? I thought it was from Robert Holdstock's The Dark Wheel, but I just checked that out and didn't find it.
It does credit Holdstock in The Holdstock Report, but it doesn't indicate where it came from.

"One of their stories is the legend of the Great Ship, an account of a mysterious race that lives in the Dark Wheel - a galaxy named thus because it is shrouded in black clouds of intergalactic dust and gas. This race is supposedly Human, for they are bipedal, smooth-skinned, five-fingered, and have a legend of uurth, the Mother World that spawned them. Equally indisputable is the fact that they colonised the Dark Wheel while the Human race was still in the Stone Age.

It is now known that during the first phase of Humankind's expansion into the stars, a generation ship, populated by more than a million colonists, passed through a warp fault in space and was flung across time and space emerging into the Narathnu Sector at a time when no galaxies in that area had yet developed fully intelligent life. The Humans settled many worlds in the Dark Wheel, but it is thought that their passage through the warp hole had affected their minds, causing them to be intensely suspicious of contact with other intelligent races"
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The video posted by Six6VI explains the source of the quote. For brevity's sake though I'll answer via text. The quote comes from The Alien World which was written by Robert Holdstock under the pen name of Steven Eisler. Professor Steven Eisler has appeared in a couple of Galnet News articles that I wrote back when we players were permitted to submit articles for Frontier to publish. It's also the name of my son's CMDR so if you find a system first discovered by Steven Eisler ... don't go thinking you've found Raxxla ;)
 

Jaiotu

Jaiotu
CMDR Maylor Rom said:
Credit to you for the discovery. Try using EARTH.

It bounces between two systems, SOL and something called the EARTH EXPEDITIONARY FLEET.

Anyone ever heard of the Earth Expeditionary Fleet? (Closest system is EOL PROU ZO-U B18-28)

Also, while your searching names of systems, be on the look out as each comes up for the spelling of R-A-X-X-L-A

It may be a string of system names which spell it out. Hey man, to date we have found nothing. I think th Galaxy Map was designed to do this, as my results show more than just ending up in empty space, especially with the systems Earth and Lave, both in Elite from the start, and both doing different things.
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Sorry. The Earth Expeditionary Fleet is my minor faction. We won the system during the Colonia expansion thanks to months of hauling Galactic Guides to Jaques. I asked Frontier to name our system "Dākuhoīru" (ダークホイール) or "Covfefe" but I guess both of those names ended up being too cheeky. Instead they ended up just naming the system after the faction.
 

Jaiotu

Jaiotu
yelboc said:
Yes I have, but hardly any of the systems in the novella are in game - infact I tried all of the mentions in the novella

Apart from Lave and Leesti which are in game,

SystemIn Game ?Comments
TeorgeYdestination of Salome. Brithplace of
Elyssia Fields
XezaorNRyders first kill
DykstraNsource of traders parasites
OresrianNinsectoids not to be confused with
Thargs.
MymurthNsource of animals
CiragNdestination of Mymurths
DironothaxarNSource of 'lifebones'

Regiti		NMoray starboat worlds
AonaYstar only - no water worlds (starboats)!
OntiatNRyder's home world
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You omitted Tionisla from your list. Speaking of which ... Holdstock says that the Ryder's home world is Ontiat in chaper one of The Dark Wheel yet in And Here the Wheel by John Harper when the Architect reveals that Robert Garry is actually a decedent of Alex Ryder he does so by, if I recall correcrly, telling Robert that his blood is Tionislan. Conspiracy? Error? Just a deliberate retcon since Ontiat does not appear in Elite Dangerous?
 

PeteACarter

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Jaiotu said:
You omitted Tionisla from your list. Speaking of which ... Holdstock says that the Ryder's home world is Ontiat in chaper one of The Dark Wheel yet in And Here the Wheel by John Harper when the Architect reveals that Robert Garry is actually a decedent of Alex Ryder he does so by, if I recall correcrly, telling Robert that his blood is Tionislan. Conspiracy? Error? Just a deliberate retcon since Ontiat does not appear in Elite Dangerous?
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Or Alex simply had 2 parents ;-)
 

Jaiotu

Jaiotu
PeteACarter said:
Or Alex simply had 2 parents ;-)
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Not plausible. Neither The Dark Wheel nor And Here the Wheel mention Alex's mother. And, while Robert Garry's mother is mentioned in And Here the Wheel, he is unable to find any record of her burial because his entire family history is a sham. We therefore have no proof that any of the Ryder family members have mothers (or any other combination of two parents). Maybe this is why the CIEPers have a bias against female pilots? :oops:
 

AOpsyche

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Jaiotu said:
Not plausible. Neither The Dark Wheel nor And Here the Wheel mention Alex's mother. And, while Robert Garry's mother is mentioned in And Here the Wheel, he is unable to find any record of her burial because his entire family history is a sham. We therefore have no proof that any of the Ryder family members have mothers (or any other combination of two parents). Maybe this is why the CIEPers have a bias against female pilots? :oops:
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Not to mention, there are actually tons of cloned humans in the ED universe. At least two members (associates?) of TDW are confirmed clones - Elyssia Fields and Salomé. The Empire has a long precedent of cloning, especially to create soldiers. There is reason to believe that cloning plays in to TDW storyline.

Edit: 3 TDW members are known to be clones - i forgot about Rebecca Weston. Interestingly, all females...
 
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simulacrae

simulacrae
AOpsyche said:
Not to mention, there are actually tons of cloned humans in the ED universe. At least two members (associates?) of TDW are confirmed clones - Elyssia Fields and Salomé. The Empire has a long precedent of cloning, especially to create soldiers. There is reason to believe that cloning plays in to TDW storyline.

Edit: 3 TDW members are known to be clones - i forgot about Rebecca Weston. Interestingly, all females...
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Walden had clones too... All of his seemed to grow up from children and develop distinct if similar personalities... If Salome was a clone it seems she was produced as an adult? Might suggest a different process.

Han_Zen said:
I have some good plots to post.
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Trust the magpies.
 

Thatchinho

Thatchinho
simulacrae said:
Walden had clones too... All of his seemed to grow up from children and develop distinct if similar personalities... If Salome was a clone it seems she was produced as an adult? Might suggest a different process.
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Same principle applies for the line of clones Salome’s from as it does for Walden’s clones. All the clones have distinct personalities but various similar traits.

Premonition spoilers ahead...
Salome’s only brought forwards into her role as a result of the previous clone going rogue. (Not 100% clear whether she’s only produced as a result of the previous one going rogue or whether she’d already been produced and it was just the move into her role that happened after the previous one going rogue.)

Her placement with the Lorens is done via a phantom pregnancy, so she’s placed as a newborn.
 

AOpsyche

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Thatchinho said:
Same principle applies for the line of clones Salome’s from as it does for Walden’s clones. All the clones have distinct personalities but various similar traits.

Premonition spoilers ahead...
Salome’s only brought forwards into her role as a result of the previous clone going rogue. (Not 100% clear whether she’s only produced as a result of the previous one going rogue or whether she’d already been produced and it was just the move into her role that happened after the previous one going rogue.)

Her placement with the Lorens is done via a phantom pregnancy, so she’s placed as a newborn.
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Where did you find the info in your spoiler? I had long accepted that Salomé was a clone, but i just realized i am currently lacking evidence. I have poor memory of Reclamation, and always assumed this book revealed her clone status, but i can not find any corroboration.
 

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[PS4] Filthymick420
Jaiotu said:
Not plausible. Neither The Dark Wheel nor And Here the Wheel mention Alex's mother. And, while Robert Garry's mother is mentioned in And Here the Wheel, he is unable to find any record of her burial because his entire family history is a sham. We therefore have no proof that any of the Ryder family members have mothers (or any other combination of two parents). Maybe this is why the CIEPers have a bias against female pilots? :oops:
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Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.
 

Thatchinho

Thatchinho
AOpsyche said:
Where did you find the info in your spoiler? I had long accepted that Salomé was a clone, but i just realized i am currently lacking evidence. I have poor memory of Reclamation, and always assumed this book revealed her clone status, but i can not find any corroboration.
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Premonition. Can’t give page numbers as I understand they’re different depending which version you’re looking at.

One slight disclaimer, it’s all stuff said by a character so there’s all the standard considerations to take into account around that, but given the context and other evidence, it would seem they can be trusted on this one.

It’s in Chapter 22 if you want to have a read of that whole bit from the start. 🙂
 

AOpsyche

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Thatchinho said:
Premonition. Can’t give page numbers as I understand they’re different depending which version you’re looking at.

One slight disclaimer, it’s all stuff said by a character so there’s all the standard considerations to take into account around that, but given the context and other evidence, it would seem they can be trusted on this one.

It’s in Chapter 22 if you want to have a read of that whole bit from the start. 🙂
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Ah thanks, after your earlier post, i started frantically searching the Premonition ebook for anything. I tried just about every synonym of "clone", "newborn" and "pregnant" but didnt find results. Silly me, of course "oo" was the word i was looking for!

Edit: hahaha best use of the profanity filter i've ever seen. Can't spell "c.u.c.k.o.o". Thanks, alt-right, this is why we cant have nice things.
 
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bluecrash

bluecrash
Jaiotu said:
Ryder's home world
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Book: Elite: And Here The Wheel 'So is Soontill. The Dark Wheel has been around for centuries, always led by a Ryder, always hunting for Raxxla; until we learned of the legend of Soontill.

'At that stage [1][Alex Ryder] had two sons: Neptune and Oberon. Oberon believed he could find Soontill. Neptune considered anything other than Raxxla to be irrelevant. Arguments ensued and we split from the Dark Wheel. We followed Oberon and formed the Circle of Independent Elite Pilots with the goal of using Soontill's power to protect humanity.'


Jaiotu said:
Robert Garry is actually a decedent of Alex Ryder
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• Book: Elite: And Here The Wheel
'Gunn-Britt Grotenfelt,' she said finally.

'I'm glad to make your acquaintance, Gunn. I am Robert Garry, the-'

'-leader of the Garry pirate clan, a collaboration of scum that operates in the Eastern Systems, preying on the weak, stealing from the poor and killing the innocent,' she said.

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• Book: Elite: And Here The Wheel
The voice caught him off guard. It was young, high pitched and laced with reverence. He found it, a girl of eight or so, barely a toddler. She pointed up at the statue and he knew the credit coin had dropped. He craned his neck back, following her extended arm. The mutterings became whispers. The crowd gestured toward him.

His gaze reached the top of the statue and there was Robert Garry in all his bronzed glory, mounted atop a pyramid of chiselled rock, attired in a ripped Federation uniform, one foot on a piece of wreckage, one hand reaching for the sky. A plaque was fastened below his foot. Twenty three embossed words. Not harsh or nasty words, but words that would nevertheless haunt him for the rest of his life:

'We were dead in the water. Defeated. Gone. But I heard the screams and we came running. What else could we have done?' - Robert Garry, Commander, August 31st, 3293

There is no mention of Ontiat , as it does not exist yet in the current game.
 

TotallySirius

TotallySirius
Jaiotu said:
The video posted by Six6VI explains the source of the quote. For brevity's sake though I'll answer via text. The quote comes from The Alien World which was written by Robert Holdstock under the pen name of Steven Eisler. Professor Steven Eisler has appeared in a couple of Galnet News articles that I wrote back when we players were permitted to submit articles for Frontier to publish. It's also the name of my son's CMDR so if you find a system first discovered by Steven Eisler ... don't go thinking you've found Raxxla ;)
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Bah. I was hoping it had to do with Elite. I even had a crazy theory going just from that quote. Guess I'll have to trash that one.
I'll post it if anyone wants a dose of crazy for the day. :LOL:

-The Dark Wheel generation ship launches sometime after the current time in game.

-Generation ship is sent back thousands of years.

-The Dark Wheel set up colonies and begin developing new technologies (Guardian tech?) and making clones using existing technology.

-(If Guardian tech) The Dark Wheel create AI with the directive to maintain order in the Galaxy. Since The Dark Wheel is not from the current timeline, they are seen as a disruption to the order of the galaxy, causing the Guardians to turn on them.

-The original Dark Wheel members "survive" by continuing to make clones of themselves, extending into current times.

-Current members (clones of the originals) hide from the rest of humanity to avoid disrupting the timeline.

--- Different theories about time travel cause variances here ---

-1. Affecting current events can affect the members of The Dark Wheel, even causing them to cease to exist.

-2. The Dark Wheel want the timeline to progress as it did in their time, allowing their family and themselves to exist in the current timeline.

-Powers in the current timeline learn about The Dark Wheel. They begin sabotaging generation ships to alter timeline events, or to draw out The Dark Wheel.


The Dark Wheel toast

"To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies!"
This could be Earth, Sol, the human bubble, or even the entire Milky Way.

"To the whisperer in witchspace, the siren of the deepest void!"
This indicates the disire to return back home, despite the consequences. Every hyperspace jump is a reminder that they could just jump back home.

"The parent's grief, the lover's woe, and the yearning of our vagabond hearts. To Raxxla!"
The reason for trying to remain invisible to the rest of humanity, and staying so far from their home. They want their loved ones to exist in this timeline, which is why they ignore the urges to return.

This game is making me insane.
 
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