Tin foil hat time, and you'll need a lot of tin foil for this one...found a system, 1st discovered and mapped just caught my eye, started playing with the names...
SYSTEM: ICZ IR-V B2-1
Star Discovered By: Lauri Jameson
Planets Discovered: Severian
Planets Mapped: Maxx Thorogood
L A U R I J A M E S O N S E VE R I A N M A X X T H O R O G O O D
L A R X X A T H A R G O I D M O O N V E N U S
U J ES S E V E R I A N M O O
J S E E R I A M O O / E S E V E R I M O O
RAXXLA
THARGOID
MOON
VENUS / JANUS
Start Again
LAURI J AME S O N S E V E R I A N M A X X T H O R O G O O D
NSE V E I A N M A ORO G O O D
E I N A G O O D
RAXXLA OUTER RIM MOONS ARE GOOD IN EA?
RAXXLA MOONS ARE IN OUTER RIM, GOOD EA? / RAXXLA MOON ARE IN OUTER RIM, GOOD SEA?
OUTER RIM GOOD RAXXLA SEA MOON ARE IN? (The Yoda version)
In Tau Ceti there is a tourist beacon around the world Bell's Wreck, 'Early Hyperspace' (Tourist Spot 0166). This states that in the 22nd Century hundreds of automated probes were sent to all the systems nearby Sol. This may be the era when Raxxla was discovered, especially if it needed to already be a myth by 2296.
The 22nd century saw early pioneering projects begin to take shape. The discovery of a workable hyperspace theory and the design of the first unreliable, inefficient and slow 'faster than light' drive (compared to those we are used to in 3300) opened the possibility of exploration and settlement. A new frontier of science and engineering opened, confirmed by the first detailed messages and system scans to be received back on Earth from an interstellar probe sent to the Tau Ceti system years earlier. This led to a corporate race-for-the-stars as massive commercial colony projects were founded, funded, built and launched, together with hundreds of automated probes sent to all the nearby systems.
These early hyperdrives were unreliable, so they may have been prone to misjumping, which is one way Raxxla could have been found at that time whilst finding it in 1000+ years of searching by The Dark Wheel et al. has so far failed (as far as we know). That means it could be anywhere in the Milky Way, though there would only be the automated probe's transmissions to tell you anything about it. If Raxxla had been visited and exploited as a result of a misjumped probe's transmission, then it must have been close enough for the hyperdrive technology of the era to enable it to be reached, or for the misjump to have been reproducible. Alternatively, Raxxla may have been on the course one of these probes followed, meaning it was then within range of those probes, perhaps within 100LY or so of Sol. Although the tourist beacon does not mention it, I would presume that automated probes continued to be sent out on a regular basis but if this beacon is providing a loose hint to which the Codex mention of Tau Ceti is intended to point us, then this may be telling us that Raxxla is (at least in 2296) in one of those early systems visited by probes.
In 3300, when ED began, the maximum jump range afaik was 41.12LY in a fully stripped down Anaconda. That's enough to reach the vast majority of the Milky Way and the unreachable places are only out on the Rim or above and below the Galactic Plane or in between the arms in certain places. There are no misjumps in ED. If a group like The Club know where Raxxla is, they would have set out to reach and exploit it the moment they had the jump range to get there. Their challenge then is to hide their tracks so that no one from The Dark Wheel follows them. Galnet has mentioned 'Wake Suppression' technology being developed by Bill Turner iirc, so perhaps it is somewhere close enough to the current Bubble that they are worried about people following them (I know Premonition suggests other motivations but this is the kind of technology that The Club would consider highly desirable to travel to and from Raxxla without being discovered).
Thanks Edelgard. Your and Han_Zen’s comments are interesting. Just a corrigendum- the wake supression technology was Metadrive’s, obtained through murder of the Metadrive CEO and financial manipulation by the Club and given to Bill Turner (via Sirius Inc) to finalise. Clearly the Club want to hide their trail when they exit the bubble leaving the rest of humanity to fend for themselves against the Klaxian hordes.
Thanks Edelgard. Your and Han_Zen’s comments are interesting. Just a corrigendum- the wake supression technology was Metadrive’s, obtained through murder of the Metadrive CEO and financial manipulation by the Club and given to Bill Turner (via Sirius Inc) to finalise. Clearly the Club want to hide their trail when they exit the bubble leaving the rest of humanity to fend for themselves against the Klaxian hordes.
I have a idea, wander through it with me- Simple old me is still just pondering the "gate that is also a key" line. Considering the mythos states there's no concrete evidence on what Raxxla even is...
You know, a gate that's also a key- that kind of sounds like a Neutron Star. You have to fly through it to get supercharged, right? What if there's a system only reachable from that one star? It would be both a Gate and a Key.
Raxxla could be that star... or the destination System, or a planet or moon inside said System. I mean, do you charge up on EVERY Neutron you come across, especially if your next system is only a small jump away?
OR- Is it possible for the game to be programmed that Supercharging from one specific star overwrites your navigation and forces you to jump to a specified system? Maybe one you can't normally target otherwise- like one without a star at all?
What if the only star in the Raxxla system collapsed into a Black Hole? Imagine jumping there (by my suggestion or any other means) a few years ago, early on in ED, and arriving to "no" star? Honking, and if you didn't have the old-school Advanced Scanner, seeing nothing because everything was over 250k LS away (or w/e intermediate range was)...
An inexperienced player might assume they'd encountered some kind of bug in the procedural generation and just leave. I know someone was quoted at a Lavecon saying players have already visited the system, but Raxxla went undiscovered.
I have a idea, wander through it with me- Simple old me is still just pondering the "gate that is also a key" line. Considering the mythos states there's no concrete evidence on what Raxxla even is...
You know, a gate that's also a key- that kind of sounds like a Neutron Star. You have to fly through it to get supercharged, right? What if there's a system only reachable from that one star? It would be both a Gate and a Key.
Raxxla could be that star... or the destination System, or a planet or moon inside said System. I mean, do you charge up on EVERY Neutron you come across, especially if your next system is only a small jump away?
OR- Is it possible for the game to be programmed that Supercharging from one specific star overwrites your navigation and forces you to jump to a specified system? Maybe one you can't normally target otherwise- like one without a star at all?
What if the only star in the Raxxla system collapsed into a Black Hole? Imagine jumping there (by my suggestion or any other means) a few years ago, early on in ED, and arriving to "no" star? Honking, and if you didn't have the old-school Advanced Scanner, seeing nothing because everything was over 250k LS away (or w/e intermediate range was)...
An inexperienced player might assume they'd encountered some kind of bug in the procedural generation and just leave. I know someone was quoted at a Lavecon saying players have already visited the system, but Raxxla went undiscovered.
Not a bad theory, generally, but a couple of comments:
1. Neutron star cones are a relatively late addition to the game - much later than the 'Door that's also a key' phrase in the mission text. That doesn't mean there weren't plans to add the cones from day 1, but it would mean that Raxxla wasn't reachable in the initial release.
2. Secondly, the 'Raxxla was visited but not honked' statement is an urban myth. There's no evidence that anyone from FDev ever said it, only references to references to someone who heard it from someone else.
Also, if you keep on my train of thought- It's claimed that we've been able to reach Raxxla in a Cobra3 since the beginning of the game. That means no engineering or jumponium. We know exactly the max range of a Cobra3. Are there any Neutrons within a plotable distance of the original starting System?
Is the math on Supercharge a set calculation? Is it always "+X Ly"? Does it vary by Star? Is it a percentage boost calculated on top of your current range?
Let's say I'm on the right track, and you can only reach Raxxla from a Supercharge- If you can get to that Neutron... you're still technically reaching Raxxla in a Cobra.
Now let's think about this as well- let's say its a star you could only reach via Supercharge, and you actually jump there...
"Omg, I found it! The third planet is Raxxla! Omgwtfroflcopteraghbddhvcscvjigb!!!"
And you chart that whole system. Congratulations. But then you go to leave... and can't. You can't jump to any other Stars. Everything is too far. Your only option is to self destruct to get back. Poof goes your Cartographic Data, and proof you discovered anything.
Which would also mean the statement "The system has been visited, but Raxxla remains undiscovered" is technically true as well... especially back before engineering and jumponium synthesis was possible for our return trip.
If we can calculate an accurate Supercharged Cobra range, and there are candidate Neutrons in the right areas- we could figure a Superjump sphere around them, and then see if anything is particularly out of the way inside it...
Also, if you keep on my train of thought- It's claimed that we've been able to reach Raxxla in a Cobra3 since the beginning of the game. That means no engineering or jumponium. We know exactly the max range of a Cobra3. Are there any Neutrons within a plotable distance of the original starting System?
Is the math on Supercharge a set calculation? Is it always "+X Ly"? Does it vary by Star? Is it a percentage boost calculated on top of your current range?
Let's say I'm on the right track, and you can only reach Raxxla from a Supercharge- If you can get to that Neutron... you're still technically reaching Raxxla in a Cobra.
Now let's think about this as well- let's say its a star you could only reach via Supercharge, and you actually jump there...
"Omg, I found it! The third planet is Raxxla! Omgwtfroflcopteraghbddhvcscvjigb!!!"
And you chart that whole system. Congratulations. But then you go to leave... and can't. You can't jump to any other Stars. Everything is too far. Your only option is to self destruct to get back. Poof goes your Cartographic Data, and proof you discovered anything.
Which would also mean the statement "The system has been visited, but Raxxla remains undiscovered" is technically true as well... especially back before engineering and jumponium synthesis was possible for our return trip.
If we can calculate an accurate Supercharged Cobra range, and there are candidate Neutrons in the right areas- we could figure a Superjump sphere around them, and then see if anything is particularly out of the way inside it...
Good point Sir! I hear it lots but never seen any evidence for it. Is it a myth, based on Jason Ryder's ship? (No proof he ever reached it, even in old lore I believe)
Just tossing ideas out there, but what about going to a places where certain objects line up? I think that could fit with "door that is also the key."
I started thinking about that a couple of months ago when I thought I found a couple nebulae that lined up with the LMC/SMC. Turned out it's just bad eyesight.
Those are two Nebulae above Odin's Hold. They're not as close as I originally thought, but pretty close.
Wow... Anyone tried to get friendly with those Severian and Maxx, just to see if they are real players or what ? Looks like an FD's eye wink, to me.
About jump range, Cobras, etc... I am not sure that Rafe Zetter's assumption that there are "evil men" already inhabitating Raxxla is a substantial evidence that Raxxla has already been discovered by Humans.. Jason Ryder seems to have been in possession of some info about its location ( what has been lost will soon be recovered-map-Omphalos?) but we don't know what kind of ship he was going to use for his expedition. What was the max ranged ship at that time ?
Not a bad theory, generally, but a couple of comments:
1. Neutron star cones are a relatively late addition to the game - much later than the 'Door that's also a key' phrase in the mission text. That doesn't mean there weren't plans to add the cones from day 1, but it would mean that Raxxla wasn't reachable in the initial release.
2. Secondly, the 'Raxxla was visited but not honked' statement is an urban myth. There's no evidence that anyone from FDev ever said it, only references to references to someone who heard it from someone else.
1. It was never stated that raxxla was reachable. This was assumed and then everyone starts acting like it's a fact straight from the horses mouth.
2. Regardless of it having not been confirmed by FDev, it has equally not been denied. Meaning that there hasn't been any statements either way about this. Making it northern true nor false.
Or both true and false until someone opens the box and confirms the existing state of Schrodinger's Raxxla system
Also, if you keep on my train of thought- It's claimed that we've been able to reach Raxxla in a Cobra3 since the beginning of the game. That means no engineering or jumponium. We know exactly the max range of a Cobra3. Are there any Neutrons within a plotable distance of the original starting System?
Is the math on Supercharge a set calculation? Is it always "+X Ly"? Does it vary by Star? Is it a percentage boost calculated on top of your current range?
Let's say I'm on the right track, and you can only reach Raxxla from a Supercharge- If you can get to that Neutron... you're still technically reaching Raxxla in a Cobra.
Now let's think about this as well- let's say its a star you could only reach via Supercharge, and you actually jump there...
"Omg, I found it! The third planet is Raxxla! Omgwtfroflcopteraghbddhvcscvjigb!!!"
And you chart that whole system. Congratulations. But then you go to leave... and can't. You can't jump to any other Stars. Everything is too far. Your only option is to self destruct to get back. Poof goes your Cartographic Data, and proof you discovered anything.
Which would also mean the statement "The system has been visited, but Raxxla remains undiscovered" is technically true as well... especially back before engineering and jumponium synthesis was possible for our return trip.
If we can calculate an accurate Supercharged Cobra range, and there are candidate Neutrons in the right areas- we could figure a Superjump sphere around them, and then see if anything is particularly out of the way inside it...
There's a handful of white dwarf "widow makers" in the bubble but the boost may not be worth the risk. The only two 4x neutrons I know of are Jackson's Lighthouse and 98 K Tauri (note to self: check for more) which are both toward the outer edges of the bubble. M67 might still be a one way trip?
Distant Stars 3303 neutron jumped 219Ly in but didn't find another boost to get back.
I've said this before but it surely was lost in the flow of this juggernaut, so I'll say it again. For what it's worth, I think the language from those missions has been de facto ret-conned. New players have no knowledge of them in-game and to use them as a key would be unfair to them and flies in the face of what FDev are trying to accomplish with the Codex. Obviously, one is free to do as one chooses, but for this CMDR, the only thing that is cannon for me now is "It's out there and we know what it is" and whatever is in the Codex. Everything else is vapid speculation.
Good point Sir! I hear it lots but never seen any evidence for it. Is it a myth, based on Jason Ryder's ship? (No proof he ever reached it, even in old lore I believe)
A lot of information is bandied about based on what people believe was said in livestreams, but there is no evidence. This “Raxxla can be found in a 30 ly Cobra” seems to be another unsubstantiated urban myth which crops up on this thread frequently. I think it is actually a misinterpretation of two things-this Quest for Raxxla (“there will be no clues”) and the Hunt for the Formidine Rift mystery; I believe that Drew Wagar said that the latter was findable with an unengineered Cobra implying 30 ly range or less (note that Rebecca in that storyline had an ancient Cobra).
Be that as it may, all the Raxxla Quest facts that we have evidence for are listed by Macros on the first page of this thread. If anyone can prove the origin of any such statement then I’m sure he’ll update that first page.
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