ANNOUNCEMENT Community Update (22/10)

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Viajero

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sollisb said:
Judging by that analysis Elite is on sale for what 9.99. I should just expect garbage should I ?
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Depreciation over time of game prices is just a natural part of their commercial cycle, weather the game is garbage or not.

A product offered for free can equally be good or garbage, either way it is still free.
 

CMDR Karrde Sun

CMDR Karrde Sun
Enderby said:
I imagine that the bug fixing announcement is just to blow smoke up players’ posteriors and that the delay is simply down to FD not being able to meet their own deadline. For whatever reason.
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They're allowed to miss the schedule, that's a fact of life sometimes. Having a lack of respect for players and spinning it like they're doing players a favour is really poor form. They got the details right they just screwed up on the plausibility.
 

londonx

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CMDR Karrde Sun said:
They're allowed to miss the schedule, that's a fact of life sometimes. Having a lack of respect for players and spinning it like they're doing players a favour is really poor form. They got the details right they just screwed up on the plausibility.
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but even with that accusation we wont know until the release notes of Carriers right?
 
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CMDR Karrde Sun

CMDR Karrde Sun
londonx said:
but even with that accusation we wont know until the release notes of Carriers right?
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Its simply not possible. If there was a feature ready to go, they wouldn't have to disappoint people in the first place, they could just proceed as planned and not have to make this statement. Its simply madness to think frontier has the feature ready to go, and then decided to hold it back and disappoint players... because players asked to be disappointed. Thats madness. No.

As someone else suggested, their entire hook for the christmas sales is gone. They've forfeited the only marketing headline this year because players asked for it? Please be real.
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
CMDR Karrde Sun said:
Its simply not possible. If there was a feature ready to go, they wouldn't have to disappoint people in the first place, they could just proceed as planned and not have to make this statement. Its simply madness to think frontier has the feature ready to go, and then decided to hold it back and disappoint players... because players asked to be disappointed. Thats madness. No.

As someone else suggested, their entire hook for the christmas sales is gone. They've forfeited the only marketing headline this year because players asked for it? Please be real.
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You forced me to give a like for this comment! Humph!!!

Unfortunately your conclusion matches my own, and I really do enjoy playing the game 😢
 

fu9ar

fu9ar
CMDR Karrde Sun said:
They're allowed to miss the schedule, that's a fact of life sometimes. Having a lack of respect for players and spinning it like they're doing players a favour is really poor form. They got the details right they just screwed up on the plausibility.
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You need to give respect to get it. Y'all aren't asking for respect. Y'all are asking for obsequious deference.
 

Viajero

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zimms said:
Absolutely ridiculous comparison. I didn't know TLoU is shoving premium currency and MTX in your face. Or an MMO with large communities that need to be engaged. And I don't think Naughty Dog ever said they will keep releasing new content for the game for years to come.
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I think his comments regarding other games delays and content scope for perspective with carriers delays are quite on point. As you know Arx is just one element more among tons of others in multiple updates including content for the game so far. TLOU is indeed not an MMO but his community is as dedicated, invested and starving/seeker for content as Elite´s is, if not more, and discussions about a possible TLOU 2 were had almost from the very start as a foregone conclusion.

And as for your comment regarding ND never saying that they would keep releasing new content, they actually announced their "Left Behind" DLC in 2013 (same year as their original release already) and released it on 2014. They also formally announced TLOU part 2 in 2016 and had all kinds of statements made by devs and actors all the way from 2015 already giving it away at the time.

https://www.digitalspy.com/videogam...rms-the-last-of-us-2-during-panel-appearance/
https://www.trustedreviews.com/news/naughty-dog-moves-to-clarify-the-last-of-us-sequel-talk-2928200
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/588115/The-Last-of-Us-2-Naughty-Dog-PS4-sequel-TLOU-2

The main difference between TLOU part 2 recent release delays and Carriers delays, as highlighted already, is that TLOU2 is a full game which started development around 2014 and will be a full paid up title with a community waiting for new content for almost 6 years, whereas carriers are not only free but just one limited element more within the totality of a game which has been growing for 5 years. Let´s keep outrage in perspective and commensurate to the issue.
 
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Viajero said:
The main difference between TLOU part 2 recent release delays and Carriers delays, as highlighted already, is that TLOU2 is a full game which started development around 2014 and will be a full paid up title with a community without any new content for 6 years, whereas carriers are not only free but just one limited element more within the totality of a game which has been growing for 5 years. Let´s keep outrage in perspective and commensurate to the issue.
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to be honest I have no idea how their pay model is working aside from frontloading income when the game/horizons released, there aren't enough good mtx options and honestly most of them are dirt cheap... That said, everything is harder to swallow when expectation is set, which is what fdev did. I don't find this to be a valid excuse, "well we aren't getting paid specifically for this so tough cookies". Would fleet carriers have been done if they were wrapped in an mtx? Either charge us or don't, either keep releasing content on time or don't, but the bottom line is, the game is starved for content. (you could have basically left for a year and come back to the same game) Frankly I'm not sure fleet carriers are the answer to anything, but if you want people to keep playing, (so you have interest and more customers when you release your next paid content), you have to do more.


p.s. I don't mind mtx, and I'm not "outraged", just disappointed again
 

CMDR Big Mike

CMDR Big Mike
sollisb said:
I'm going to pick you up on this, I feel you are being disingenuous all the way through. You keep saying 6 months and I feel, that is wrong.

Carriers in any form have been tooted since Aug 2018? Whether they were squadron or personal, they are still carriers.

I'd like clarification. Are you claiming that the new iteration of carriers (personal) are in whole a complete new code base? Or (more likely) they are a branch or extension for what was already in play for the squadron based carriers?

Let's say you are claiming personal carriers are a new code base, then yes, that would mean they shelved the squadron code and started afresh, and like you say, they are only delayed 6 months, but also means, FD haven't the foggiest clue about what they are doing. No company unless they are completely bonkers, designs one thing, shelves it and then design and recodes a new thing almost the same.

Let's say you are claiming that personal carriers are an extension/rethink of the existing squadron carriers. Then that means FD are wholly late to the party and incompetent.


And just to go back to the 'oh! It's free' thing being tooted about... It's another bit of off-the-wall-falseness.

Horizons was also way overdue and after it, we were told beyond would be a period of bug fixing. QoL improvements blah blah. The reason it was free was (opinionated) because of the previous delays by frontier, and the mounting bug list.

Let's also add in, that every single release these guys have made has been beset by server issues and bugs. It's only in the gaming world that a company like this would be allowed to exist. In a commercial world they'd have sunk years ago. They have bad disjointed design, they have bad roadmaps, they have little or no testing and zero quality control. And they consistently miss their own deadlines.

And finally, again someone else mentioned it, they added the new vote for your favourite bug. Who does this? What commercial organisation makes their consumer base vote for their favourite bugs and then only those voted for get attention. In a commercial world that would be what's known as commercial suicide. But these guys are let away with it because they're a gaming company. Anyone buying their stocks needs their head examined.
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I already addressed his inane stance on page 82, post 1633 or so. The argument makes no sense but he just glossed over that and found a new person to post at. I dont think the Suadron carrier =/= personal carrier so this is the first delay. Utter nonsense
 

Viajero

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Viajero
Aekero said:
... but if you want people to keep playing, (so you have interest and more customers when you release your next paid content), you have to do more.
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I fully agree with you (for some players), imo this is the real concern those players in reality are experiencing: The thirst for new (and less buggy) content. Carriers would most likely not have been able to satisfy that thirst alone (even if fully bug free), and their delay is probably far from being a real issue in and on itself, but it seems to be getting the whole weight of those particular players frustrations, no doubt.
 
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jj.justme

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londonx said:
A delay of max 6 months for a free "Personal Fleet Carriers" feature in a computer game is "unjustifiable". Love the shrillness, and you stayed calm after writing that? I am sure a lot of people out there in the real world dealing with real world problems wouldnt be so calm with you!
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I paid EUR 120 for a LEP in 2012 for a game that I was told at that time - even if they now deny it - that they were going to give content for the next 10 years.
I am really surprised to be so calm after seeing how they have deceived me.
My criticism makes sense, what does not make sense, is to blame the community for this delay as they are trying to do from damage control.
And for me it doesn't make sense either, to try to justify the unjustifiable.
In my opinion, of course. I've had enough of applauding with my ears everything Frontier says or even does, going against logic.
 

Drkanukie

Drkanukie
I paid over £200 as a Founder and don't play much because it's a boring grind. I don't mind because I invested in the idea having played the first version in the 1980s and it was great and very exciting to start with. TBH the very early alpha was better more fun that the game is now as it had proper FAO mechanics and stealth. The game really needs something else to become engaging again and I don't think FCs are it. As for the bugs I play so rarely now I don't even notice them, so long as it doesn't crash to desktop or melt down the CPU I'm good.
 

CMDR Engalo

CMDR Engalo
londonx said:
You are making things up,
  • Beyond season was "focus on core gameplay", and the reason why Squadron Carriers were dropped at concept stage, but are you actually saying Beyond didnt do what it said on the tin?
  • Focussing on bug fixes is a new thing, literally announced on this thread we are discussing.
You didnt care about carriers but will "shelf the game" because of a max 6 month delay of something you dont care about and then go on to wish delay on what everyone has been focussing on for the past 1.5 years to prove your action, seems churlish.

Just want to point out there was a huge discussion about the scope of carriers on the official thread and there was also a large community petition about re-introducing betas and fixing old bugs. I guess they "gave the community a change (sic)" right?
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If you take aside the New experience updates, tell me sir, where the CORE game play changes have been put? They introduced a few blow it up asteroids and a few new minerals to mine, but nothing in actually improving the CORE game play, all the imbalance, the bugs that have been there since bloody Beta! I will in fact say a loud and clear "Yes!" to that bug fixing is an extremely big part of CORE game play and should be a constant development outside development of new content.

But there's no good thing that they keep holding the player base in the dark, no one knows where they'll jump next. The game may be on the back burner for all we know. Look at other developers that keep the player base/community in the loop on what's happening, what they work with and the road map.
FD don't give a damn, and the radio silence on what they are actually doing, is evidence of one thing only. They don't have a plan, Elite isn't a priority. If they indeed had something, they would be high and proud giving us a little trickle here and there to keep us interested. Completely halting game progress and NOT delivering on already payed for content isn't a bloody good sign. Hell, it's out right disrespectful.

And yes! I don't care to much about the Carriers, but I still bloody want one!!!;)
I've played for several hundred hours, I got every ship, I've been to the edge of space and I mined the Void opals!
"Now! I'm sitting here, and I look at all this awesome... wasted space!"
 
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