Just saying that if the 1 or 2 posters from one side get jumped on every time they post the thread will not go on til the end.
I dont think we are getting an answer, last night I thought it was close then 'poof' it was gone. It is a viable tactic however frustrating it is. Or it may be showing the same disregard that they feel was shown by the other side originally.
Before FCs Im sure that was a much stronger argument, does it really matter anymore with a weekend trip to the bubble and back with a new fleet all engineered? Is that more important that the real or imagined wrongs that are being accounted for?
I think thats exactly what the other side is saying. You (LR/TN) are the oppressor and everyone else was oppressed (a peace treaty signed at the point of a sword is not a treaty either side is signing in good faith, and has been the 'excuse' for war before, an unjust treaty)*
Theres at least one AC fan on here
*Reading between the lines we may have our answer. Here we go:
TN was put into Carcosa in a 'special' BGS way with super-influence and virtually gteed expansion which ran into another BGS power. (I used to think something else but now think its purely MB was a fan of Lovecraft and took the opportunity with Carcosa, I dont now think there is any more tinfoil, he was just giving them a good start and a chance so they didnt get wiped out immediately is all)
TN was adopted by 1 o r more player groups / squadrons over time but either gave up or got nowhere
Carcosa was taken by a pmf EN and held while TN were unsupported and just an NPC group?
This is where it gets murky. Especially as to chronological order.
DG2 was an SDC event. Everybody who knows about them will have their own views on SDC or on one member who killed Salome. Start another thread about that.
TN was adopted by LR and LR moved to Colonia and took control of Carcosa from EN who were a pmf. Seemingly with no negotiation? We have the date from Isiah, the accusation is it was taken while the pmf was out exploring and maybe even as revenge, when did DW2 end? One side says liberation one says retribution.
At some point LR declared war on Colonia Council and a new 'council' was the eventual outcome. Point of a sword negotiations?
TN have not remained in Carcosa but have been accused of expansionist behaviour which they deny. They have now been retreated back to Carcosa.
So is it really a small group being bullied by the bubble powers or is it chickens coming home to roost and the law catching up? Just those chickens have been building a new hen-house and a lot of people helped who didn't know what the chickens had been up to before they came home to roost and didnt realise the hen-house was built on a demolished farmhouse that people were living in?
Some responses by some from LR about 'murdering explorers' and some feeble excuse are exactly what the group is being accused of. Hiding behind a facade of 'do what you want, its all fine, we are the underdogs of liberty' while trampling on other Cmdrs or pmfs as they see fit. Evidence of similar previous behaviour from one of LR maybe shows a pattern of behaviour that could be read as I want to do whatever I want with no consequences, which in a single-player game would be a fine expectation, but in a multi-player nobody bows to you as you dont bow to anybody else...
Carcosa is the de facto home system of TN. Does home system mean they have to have Control? Expectation has been yes traditionally but obviously exceptions, but most people who adopt a faction want it to control their home system ofc they do. But that doesnt mean its an automatic right. A player group had fought and won that system and no negotiations were attempted it seems. A bit like now but in reverse.