Call to Arms for a Free Colonia

well you said it yourself now. the reason. at least for me personally

what you classify as "liberation" is a war of annihilation in my book.
and it was not only related to BGS or npcs.

and i heard tons of statements from many people and saw mountain of evidences which proofes without any doubt who are the hostile occupiers here.
The Npc faction the Nameless was also just abused to hit the real players in EN.

from the charta of SPEAR: Our mission is to protect those who cannot defend themselves and to hunt down those who would obliterate them.

i personally will not rest until the people who did so much under great efforts at that time are able to live peacefully in their homeland again.
-anarchist faction's stagnant presence =total annihilation. Ok.

-I've heard tons+1 of statements, many+1 people, and mountains+1 of evidence that the war you broke out was the start of the destruction in Colonia. It seems I'm just barely more right than you.

-your charta means little, when your AAA cabal is breaking peace treaties, and jackhammering the hornets nest of pvp players, who are now primed for revenge. The last thing you brought to Colonia is peace.

-please don't give up, I'm seriously considering on moving our fleet to Colonia and have a little fun murdering some backstabbing explorers. The war will never end, thanks to you rejecting the call to peace. The Reapers will be forever fighting you guys now, since this is their home. Congratulations on bringing this new era of Colonia Chaos. Outlaws will definitely have field trips out there, to break the monotony of the bubble skybox. :)
 
well you said it yourself now. the reason. at least for me personally

what you classify as "liberation" is a war of annihilation in my book.
and it was not only related to BGS or npcs.

and i heard tons of statements from many people and saw mountain of evidences which proofes without any doubt who are the hostile occupiers here.
The Npc faction the Nameless was also just abused to hit the real players in EN.

from the charta of SPEAR: Our mission is to protect those who cannot defend themselves and to hunt down those who would obliterate them.

i personally will not rest until the people who did so much under great efforts at that time are able to live peacefully in their homeland again.
Reads like "thank you for finally providing me with the reason in this thread, which I have been looking for ever since I started to oppress the free people of Colonia".
 
You've seen an effect? At the start of the current conflict it was just me. :LOL:

I honestly have to say that when we started the PS4 side of the squadron back at the end of January I only expected we'd see one or two people interested. Now we have a respectable group and friends who enjoy flying together. It safe to say we're the largest group flying in open up here on our platform. It's been a blast and as @Rat Catcher says, we do have to thank the opposition as whilst I'm sure increasing the population of anarchy supporting players wasn't their intention, it's made quite a few players engage with the game and creating a story and whatever side you're on, that's a good thing.
Take me, for example. Here I was, almost putting the whole game on the shelf - done it all, seen it all (except from that dreadfull combat rank). Now Im concidering making a second account! Think I will call him Ted Bunti, and he aint no bounty hunter....
 
Reads like "thank you for finally providing me with the reason in this thread, which I have been looking for ever since I started to oppress the free people of Colonia".
nope exactly this reason is on the campaign briefing in a narrated video unlisted on my youtube channel which was shown to our pilots before we relocated to colonia sector.
as we all know upload dates of youtube videos cannot be changed and besides the briefing video was seen nearly 2 months ago from more then 50 people.
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from the charta of SPEAR: Our mission is to protect those who cannot defend themselves and to hunt down those who would obliterate them.

i personally will not rest until the people who did so much under great efforts at that time are able to live peacefully in their homeland again.
Thank god, I found you! Im a lawful citizen of Carcosa, currently living in Robardin Rock. My system is under attack, and I cant defend my self from these invaders, unless Im concidered a griefer, or being in Coalition with one!
Please help
 
nope exactly this reason is on the campaign briefing in a narrated video unlisted on my youtube channel which was shown to our pilots before we relocated to colonia sector.
as we all know upload dates of youtube videos cannot be changed and besides the briefing video was seen nearly 2 months ago from more then 50 people.
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Didn't know about the video. Will have a look!
 
FTFY. It's been tried before and it always fall flat and backfires.
I cant find the quote "You made us do this"
-anarchist faction's stagnant presence =total annihilation. Ok.

-I've heard tons+1 of statements, many+1 people, and mountains+1 of evidence that the war you broke out was the start of the destruction in Colonia. It seems I'm just barely more right than you.

-your charta means little, when your AAA cabal is breaking peace treaties, and jackhammering the hornets nest of pvp players, who are now primed for revenge. The last thing you brought to Colonia is peace.

-please don't give up, I'm seriously considering on moving our fleet to Colonia and have a little fun murdering some backstabbing explorers. The war will never end, thanks to you rejecting the call to peace. The Reapers will be forever fighting you guys now, since this is their home. Congratulations on bringing this new era of Colonia Chaos. Outlaws will definitely have field trips out there, to break the monotony of the bubble skybox. :)
In the Cmmdrs post you point to ???
 
Just saying that if the 1 or 2 posters from one side get jumped on every time they post the thread will not go on til the end.

Then by all means help me and all those reading this thread discern the two in this case.
I dont think we are getting an answer, last night I thought it was close then 'poof' it was gone. It is a viable tactic however frustrating it is. Or it may be showing the same disregard that they feel was shown by the other side originally.

This will spell the end of the availability of Federal and Alliance ships in Colonia.
Before FCs Im sure that was a much stronger argument, does it really matter anymore with a weekend trip to the bubble and back with a new fleet all engineered? Is that more important that the real or imagined wrongs that are being accounted for?

Oppression will be met with resistance. Tyranny will be met with rebellion.
I think thats exactly what the other side is saying. You (LR/TN) are the oppressor and everyone else was oppressed (a peace treaty signed at the point of a sword is not a treaty either side is signing in good faith, and has been the 'excuse' for war before, an unjust treaty)*

Stand with us in solidarity, not just for Carcosa, or Colonia - but for all of human space. Rise up and challenge the authorities. Force their hand. Refuse to be manipulated. Do not rise to their provocations. Make your own powerplays, organise embargoes and blockade their ports. Break their hold and force them out into the open. Blaze a trail. Visibility is the one thing they cannot abide.
Theres at least one AC fan on here :)

Then came LR*
Surely you are referring to The Nameless in that statement? Carcosa is their home system after all.*
Whether the faction was named by a player group or FDev is not particularly relevant here. All factions work the same way regardless of who named them and we would be in the same place if we adopted an abandoned player faction and did the same.*
*Reading between the lines we may have our answer. Here we go:

TN was put into Carcosa in a 'special' BGS way with super-influence and virtually gteed expansion which ran into another BGS power. (I used to think something else but now think its purely MB was a fan of Lovecraft and took the opportunity with Carcosa, I dont now think there is any more tinfoil, he was just giving them a good start and a chance so they didnt get wiped out immediately is all)
TN was adopted by 1 o r more player groups / squadrons over time but either gave up or got nowhere
Carcosa was taken by a pmf EN and held while TN were unsupported and just an NPC group?
This is where it gets murky. Especially as to chronological order.
DG2 was an SDC event. Everybody who knows about them will have their own views on SDC or on one member who killed Salome. Start another thread about that.
TN was adopted by LR and LR moved to Colonia and took control of Carcosa from EN who were a pmf. Seemingly with no negotiation? We have the date from Isiah, the accusation is it was taken while the pmf was out exploring and maybe even as revenge, when did DW2 end? One side says liberation one says retribution.
At some point LR declared war on Colonia Council and a new 'council' was the eventual outcome. Point of a sword negotiations?
TN have not remained in Carcosa but have been accused of expansionist behaviour which they deny. They have now been retreated back to Carcosa.

So is it really a small group being bullied by the bubble powers or is it chickens coming home to roost and the law catching up? Just those chickens have been building a new hen-house and a lot of people helped who didn't know what the chickens had been up to before they came home to roost and didnt realise the hen-house was built on a demolished farmhouse that people were living in?

Some responses by some from LR about 'murdering explorers' and some feeble excuse are exactly what the group is being accused of. Hiding behind a facade of 'do what you want, its all fine, we are the underdogs of liberty' while trampling on other Cmdrs or pmfs as they see fit. Evidence of similar previous behaviour from one of LR maybe shows a pattern of behaviour that could be read as I want to do whatever I want with no consequences, which in a single-player game would be a fine expectation, but in a multi-player nobody bows to you as you dont bow to anybody else...

Carcosa is the de facto home system of TN. Does home system mean they have to have Control? Expectation has been yes traditionally but obviously exceptions, but most people who adopt a faction want it to control their home system ofc they do. But that doesnt mean its an automatic right. A player group had fought and won that system and no negotiations were attempted it seems. A bit like now but in reverse.
 
Just saying that if the 1 or 2 posters from one side get jumped on every time they post the thread will not go on til the end.



I dont think we are getting an answer, last night I thought it was close then 'poof' it was gone. It is a viable tactic however frustrating it is. Or it may be showing the same disregard that they feel was shown by the other side originally.



Before FCs Im sure that was a much stronger argument, does it really matter anymore with a weekend trip to the bubble and back with a new fleet all engineered? Is that more important that the real or imagined wrongs that are being accounted for?



I think thats exactly what the other side is saying. You (LR/TN) are the oppressor and everyone else was oppressed (a peace treaty signed at the point of a sword is not a treaty either side is signing in good faith, and has been the 'excuse' for war before, an unjust treaty)*



Theres at least one AC fan on here :)





*Reading between the lines we may have our answer. Here we go:

TN was put into Carcosa in a 'special' BGS way with super-influence and virtually gteed expansion which ran into another BGS power. (I used to think something else but now think its purely MB was a fan of Lovecraft and took the opportunity with Carcosa, I dont now think there is any more tinfoil, he was just giving them a good start and a chance so they didnt get wiped out immediately is all)
TN was adopted by 1 o r more player groups / squadrons over time but either gave up or got nowhere
Carcosa was taken by a pmf EN and held while TN were unsupported and just an NPC group?
This is where it gets murky. Especially as to chronological order.
DG2 was an SDC event. Everybody who knows about them will have their own views on SDC or on one member who killed Salome. Start another thread about that.
TN was adopted by LR and LR moved to Colonia and took control of Carcosa from EN who were a pmf. Seemingly with no negotiation? We have the date from Isiah, the accusation is it was taken while the pmf was out exploring and maybe even as revenge, when did DW2 end? One side says liberation one says retribution.
At some point LR declared war on Colonia Council and a new 'council' was the eventual outcome. Point of a sword negotiations?
TN have not remained in Carcosa but have been accused of expansionist behaviour which they deny. They have now been retreated back to Carcosa.

So is it really a small group being bullied by the bubble powers or is it chickens coming home to roost and the law catching up? Just those chickens have been building a new hen-house and a lot of people helped who didn't know what the chickens had been up to before they came home to roost and didnt realise the hen-house was built on a demolished farmhouse that people were living in?

Some responses by some from LR about 'murdering explorers' and some feeble excuse are exactly what the group is being accused of. Hiding behind a facade of 'do what you want, its all fine, we are the underdogs of liberty' while trampling on other Cmdrs or pmfs as they see fit. Evidence of similar previous behaviour from one of LR maybe shows a pattern of behaviour that could be read as I want to do whatever I want with no consequences, which in a single-player game would be a fine expectation, but in a multi-player nobody bows to you as you dont bow to anybody else...

Carcosa is the de facto home system of TN. Does home system mean they have to have Control? Expectation has been yes traditionally but obviously exceptions, but most people who adopt a faction want it to control their home system ofc they do. But that doesnt mean its an automatic right. A player group had fought and won that system and no negotiations were attempted it seems. A bit like now but in reverse.
I would add something else to this as the whole player named/FDev named factions issue muddies the waters where perhaps it shouldn't.

Currently it is not possible for a player group to name their own faction in Colonia. This means if someone wants to support a faction not already supported by a player group they have to either pick one that FDev named or find an abandoned player named faction.

If we're saying that only player named factions count, are you saying that new groups should be shut out of being involved in this way?

Should it be that because I only started playing in January if 2018, I'm looked down on as being a lesser player in the area as none of the current player named factions have an ethos that appeals to me. I'm late so the door is locked?

The questions aren't directed specifically at you, I'm just posing them as food for thought when someone says player named groups should have priority.
 
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Carcosa is the de facto home system of TN. Does home system mean they have to have Control? Expectation has been yes traditionally but obviously exceptions, but most people who adopt a faction want it to control their home system ofc they do. But that doesnt mean its an automatic right. A player group had fought and won that system and no negotiations were attempted it seems. A bit like now but in reverse.
No, and that the exact point of all this. You control nothing in this game. Being a controlling faction doesn't mean you are in control, because you are not. It a pixel badge with no meaning. The services a controlling faction can provide through the assets a system contains can be of use to its surroundings.

Sure, TN is gonna lose control over Carcosa, for now, they will never retreat from it though. So the question remains, what will the Nebula gain from all this, and objectively, it will gain nothing but lose something. TN will be there, LR will be there and the BGS will be there, so that will stay. It won't be safer, more dangerous neither. The yard will be gone for the Nebula, it will perfectly blend in with all the other useless yards out there. Thats the only thing that will be achieved.
 
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Just saying that if the 1 or 2 posters from one side get jumped on every time they post the thread will not go on til the end.



I dont think we are getting an answer, last night I thought it was close then 'poof' it was gone. It is a viable tactic however frustrating it is. Or it may be showing the same disregard that they feel was shown by the other side originally.



Before FCs Im sure that was a much stronger argument, does it really matter anymore with a weekend trip to the bubble and back with a new fleet all engineered? Is that more important that the real or imagined wrongs that are being accounted for?



I think thats exactly what the other side is saying. You (LR/TN) are the oppressor and everyone else was oppressed (a peace treaty signed at the point of a sword is not a treaty either side is signing in good faith, and has been the 'excuse' for war before, an unjust treaty)*



Theres at least one AC fan on here :)





*Reading between the lines we may have our answer. Here we go:

TN was put into Carcosa in a 'special' BGS way with super-influence and virtually gteed expansion which ran into another BGS power. (I used to think something else but now think its purely MB was a fan of Lovecraft and took the opportunity with Carcosa, I dont now think there is any more tinfoil, he was just giving them a good start and a chance so they didnt get wiped out immediately is all)
TN was adopted by 1 o r more player groups / squadrons over time but either gave up or got nowhere
Carcosa was taken by a pmf EN and held while TN were unsupported and just an NPC group?
This is where it gets murky. Especially as to chronological order.
DG2 was an SDC event. Everybody who knows about them will have their own views on SDC or on one member who killed Salome. Start another thread about that.
TN was adopted by LR and LR moved to Colonia and took control of Carcosa from EN who were a pmf. Seemingly with no negotiation? We have the date from Isiah, the accusation is it was taken while the pmf was out exploring and maybe even as revenge, when did DW2 end? One side says liberation one says retribution.
At some point LR declared war on Colonia Council and a new 'council' was the eventual outcome. Point of a sword negotiations?
TN have not remained in Carcosa but have been accused of expansionist behaviour which they deny. They have now been retreated back to Carcosa.

So is it really a small group being bullied by the bubble powers or is it chickens coming home to roost and the law catching up? Just those chickens have been building a new hen-house and a lot of people helped who didn't know what the chickens had been up to before they came home to roost and didnt realise the hen-house was built on a demolished farmhouse that people were living in?

Some responses by some from LR about 'murdering explorers' and some feeble excuse are exactly what the group is being accused of. Hiding behind a facade of 'do what you want, its all fine, we are the underdogs of liberty' while trampling on other Cmdrs or pmfs as they see fit. Evidence of similar previous behaviour from one of LR maybe shows a pattern of behaviour that could be read as I want to do whatever I want with no consequences, which in a single-player game would be a fine expectation, but in a multi-player nobody bows to you as you dont bow to anybody else...

Carcosa is the de facto home system of TN. Does home system mean they have to have Control? Expectation has been yes traditionally but obviously exceptions, but most people who adopt a faction want it to control their home system ofc they do. But that doesnt mean its an automatic right. A player group had fought and won that system and no negotiations were attempted it seems. A bit like now but in reverse.
We just went ahead and flipped Carcosa back in March of last year because of EN's publicly well documented (you can find posts on this very forum) disdain of The Nameless and any and all groups seeking to support them.

When I said earlier that EN was a soft target it's because of this: I knew we would be underestimated. It's what you people always do with outlaws (and it's happening again right now).

As any diplomatic neophyte knows you negotiate from a position of strength. Anyone and everyone realizes that simply rolling up to Colonia last year and asking for Nameless control of Carcosa would've been laughed out of the nebula. In order to be taken seriously we acted first.

Acting first only upsets the other side because we won.

As far this this being "chickens coming home to roost" I suppose you're probably right in a sense. In reality it's just a revenge quest on the part of groups like EN and CIDE with SPEAR as willing lackeys because "Phisto mean grr." In any case, when Carcosa eventually falls it won't be the end. It won't even be the beginning of the end.

It'll be the end of the beginning.
 
Replying to Dilon: it's not that player named faction should have priority, rather it's that coming out of nowhere to revive an otherwise inert NPC faction, to flip a system that a player faction got hold off, all the while everyone is out = bad blood.
 
You (the generic you) adopted an NPC faction after it got beaten down, it seems a bit too easy to cry wolf after the fact, or force your way back in and then cry wolf. I really don't understand why it had to start with a conflict while the other folks weren't even there to defend their asset. Are you really surprised that this doesn't set the stage for an amiable relationship (past experience with Coma/Patreus should have helped...)? Was there any attempt to start with a diplomatic option to bring back The Nameless?
Am I wrong to assume that since TN are the only indigenous faction in Carcosa, "the other folks" you mention were actually conquerors? I'm saying that as a simple commander, I wasn't even here at the time. And I think it was mentioned that even Phisto was against TN at the first war (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). My involvement is more recent. When I saw that Colonia is in danger to lose the ships if The Nameless lose control, I volunteered.
 
Acting first only upsets the other side because we won.


I guess you missed the part where you won unfairly (loaded word perhaps but that's the perception I guess). That doesn't make for a strong negotiating position.

As far this this being "chickens coming home to roost" I suppose you're probably right in a sense. In reality it's just a revenge quest on the part of groups like EN and CIDE with SPEAR as willing lackeys because "Phisto mean grr."
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