A discussion for another time perhaps.
Call to Arms for a Free Colonia
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No, it started yesterday
Well crapola. I'm trudging through the Vulcan Gate trying to find a way to a far flund catalog star. I'll have to hop on the XBox tonight and get stuck in. Apologies for the absence.No, it started yesterday
So states can change outside of the server tick. Another thing I did not know.
Oh no worries mateWell crapola. I'm trudging through the Vulcan Gate trying to find a way to a far flund catalog star. I'll have to hop on the XBox tonight and get stuck in. Apologies for the absence.
I'm in the bubble myself, you can't be everywhere at the same time
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Well, with a PC and an Xbox account, I can at least be in two places at once.Oh no worrier mate
I'm in the bubble myself, you can't be everywhere at the same time
Thread is called Call to arms...A discussion for another time perhaps.
So...
PS4 CMDRS from all around the galaxy, join the fun, join the Loren's Reapers ps4 squad LRCV tag, all play styles are cool, basic respect mandatory
What are you talking about mate? Explorers broke a treaty, and now explorer blood will be spilled. It goes full circle. You're also free to side with the instigators of this conflict, just don't call it "peace keeping". It's a laughably poor argument.
Also, in case you don't know, FTFY implies you fixed (altered, in reality) parts of somebody's argument. The one at hand is a bit more complex than your oversimplification.
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I'll give you a hand with the chronological ordering on these
(if you're referring to the CEI groups rejecting the claims to authority of the original CCN)
June 3303: TN was put into Carcosa in a 'special' BGS way with super-influence and virtually gteed expansion which ran into another BGS power. (I used to think something else but now think its purely MB was a fan of Lovecraft and took the opportunity with Carcosa, I dont now think there is any more tinfoil, he was just giving them a good start and a chance so they didnt get wiped out immediately is all)
October 3303: At some point LR declared war on Colonia Council
(They lost, massively. This was an official Frontier CG)
August 3303 - January 3304: Carcosa was taken by a pmf EN and held while TN were unsupported and just an NPC group?
(EN captured Robardin in August, would have captured Aragon in October if it hadn't been for the CG interfering, eventually got chance in January)
Various times in 3304, and February 3305: TN was adopted by 1 o r more player groups / squadrons over time but either gave up or got nowhere
January-May 3305: DG2 was an SDC event. Everybody who knows about them will have their own views on SDC or on one member who killed Salome. Start another thread about that.
March/April 3305: TN was adopted by LR and LR moved to Colonia and took control of Carcosa from EN who were a pmf.
June/August 3305: TN have not remained in Carcosa but have been accused of expansionist behaviour which they deny. They have now been retreated back to Carcosa.
(they still have presence in the Earth Expeditionary Fleet system for now, and will be difficult to remove from there in the short-term)
June 3305: when did DW2 end?
August 3305: Point of a sword negotiations?
(EN-LRCV treaty signed following a failed attempt in July 3305 to retake Carcosa for EN)
(to highlight the two things most likely to be considered "expansionist behaviour" and to put them in the timeline: in terms of Colonia politics it is not usually considered expansionist merely to be present in another system, because the political geography makes that the default arrangement)
September 3305: have been accused of expansionist behaviour which they deny
(No Look Here Gang capture Pennsylvania with Nameless support)
December 3305: have been accused of expansionist behaviour which they deny
(Nameless capture Earth Expeditionary Fleet system)
... and then relative to the current conflict
February 3306: Societas Eruditorum assist the Colonia Council to retake Pennsylvania from the No Look Here Gang, current conflict begins.
Essentially, that by two years in factions with supporters had already claimed all systems - with relatively little direct fighting over who got what - so anyone trying to take an additional system for any faction therefore has to fight against an existing supported territorial claim. That applies to the Nameless taking Carcosa from EN ... it would also apply to a hypothetical [1] Radio Sidewinder attempt to take Ra' Takakhan from UCA.
In Witch Head, for example, all the factions are Frontier-named. A single group has nevertheless supported its adopted factions to take control of the entire nebula there, and anyone who wants a system under different control will have to fight against that existing claim, with greater strength than the holding group can defend with.
The Nameless are unique for Colonia in that they actually had the strength to take the system, against an actual attempt to enforce the earlier claim. (And then a second system for EEF, and then support the NLHG to a third - though those were less directly defended)
[1] Picking a geographically implausible example deliberately, here.
March 3303 ish: a new 'council' was the eventual outcome
(if you're referring to the CEI groups rejecting the claims to authority of the original CCN)
June 3303: TN was put into Carcosa in a 'special' BGS way with super-influence and virtually gteed expansion which ran into another BGS power. (I used to think something else but now think its purely MB was a fan of Lovecraft and took the opportunity with Carcosa, I dont now think there is any more tinfoil, he was just giving them a good start and a chance so they didnt get wiped out immediately is all)
October 3303: At some point LR declared war on Colonia Council
(They lost, massively. This was an official Frontier CG)
August 3303 - January 3304: Carcosa was taken by a pmf EN and held while TN were unsupported and just an NPC group?
(EN captured Robardin in August, would have captured Aragon in October if it hadn't been for the CG interfering, eventually got chance in January)
Various times in 3304, and February 3305: TN was adopted by 1 o r more player groups / squadrons over time but either gave up or got nowhere
January-May 3305: DG2 was an SDC event. Everybody who knows about them will have their own views on SDC or on one member who killed Salome. Start another thread about that.
March/April 3305: TN was adopted by LR and LR moved to Colonia and took control of Carcosa from EN who were a pmf.
June/August 3305: TN have not remained in Carcosa but have been accused of expansionist behaviour which they deny. They have now been retreated back to Carcosa.
(they still have presence in the Earth Expeditionary Fleet system for now, and will be difficult to remove from there in the short-term)
June 3305: when did DW2 end?
August 3305: Point of a sword negotiations?
(EN-LRCV treaty signed following a failed attempt in July 3305 to retake Carcosa for EN)
(to highlight the two things most likely to be considered "expansionist behaviour" and to put them in the timeline: in terms of Colonia politics it is not usually considered expansionist merely to be present in another system, because the political geography makes that the default arrangement)
September 3305: have been accused of expansionist behaviour which they deny
(No Look Here Gang capture Pennsylvania with Nameless support)
December 3305: have been accused of expansionist behaviour which they deny
(Nameless capture Earth Expeditionary Fleet system)
... and then relative to the current conflict
February 3306: Societas Eruditorum assist the Colonia Council to retake Pennsylvania from the No Look Here Gang, current conflict begins.
Possibly, though I think the actual issue is slightly more fundamental and doesn't hinge on who named the faction.
Essentially, that by two years in factions with supporters had already claimed all systems - with relatively little direct fighting over who got what - so anyone trying to take an additional system for any faction therefore has to fight against an existing supported territorial claim. That applies to the Nameless taking Carcosa from EN ... it would also apply to a hypothetical [1] Radio Sidewinder attempt to take Ra' Takakhan from UCA.
In Witch Head, for example, all the factions are Frontier-named. A single group has nevertheless supported its adopted factions to take control of the entire nebula there, and anyone who wants a system under different control will have to fight against that existing claim, with greater strength than the holding group can defend with.
The Nameless are unique for Colonia in that they actually had the strength to take the system, against an actual attempt to enforce the earlier claim. (And then a second system for EEF, and then support the NLHG to a third - though those were less directly defended)
[1] Picking a geographically implausible example deliberately, here.
I didn't rage quit.
You all were sitting outside the station expecting to kill me thousands of times. I took the hilarious option that made you look stupid.
And it was an Eagle. Robardin doesn't sell Sidewinders. All the locals know this.
Well, with a PC and an Xbox account, I can at least be in two places at once.
I'm still in Colonia, doing my part
Some minor notes:
Of course, there was also the matter of where individual Commanders decided to go after having reached BP, as DW2 was a one-way expedition, not one that started in inhabited space and ended in inhabited space. I wonder: has there been an increase in Colonia traffic during the above time? I think that most players went back to the old bubble, but don't have much to support this.
It's also worth remembering that DG2 was targeting DW2, and the expedition never went to Colonia. The closest it had been was Polo Harbour. I've no idea if any members took time out to head to Colonia, and if they were followed by gankers, but DW2 itself wasn't a Colonia affair.
It's kind of an interesting thing: DW2 had an end that stretched over a couple of months. The official end period began in April 21, 2019, and it ended on June 14, 2019: people who arrived at Beagle Point within these (almost) two months had been officially marked as having completed the expedition.
Of course, there was also the matter of where individual Commanders decided to go after having reached BP, as DW2 was a one-way expedition, not one that started in inhabited space and ended in inhabited space. I wonder: has there been an increase in Colonia traffic during the above time? I think that most players went back to the old bubble, but don't have much to support this.
Activity Trends
cdb.sotl.org.uk
There has been a general increase during 3306, peaking July-August, but that's presumably mostly not extremely slow returners of DW2.
Maybe I'll see you tonight, Vulture CMDR.I'm still in Colonia, doing my part
The more I read here the more I think this thread is a joke. Looking forward to hearing the other side of the story
Here you go:
The Spear Network | The Player Driven ATR
THE SPEAR NETWORK ON ELITE DANGEROUS OUR MISSION IS TO PROTECT THOSE WHO CANNOT DEFEND THEMSELVES AND TO HUNT DOWN THOSE WHO WOULD OBLITERATE THEM. WE ARE A VOLUNTEER COALITION OF INDEPENDENT SQUADRONS AND INDIVIDUAL COMMANDERS DEDICATED TO ANTI-GRIEFING AND ANTI-GANKING ON THE PC PLATFORM. OUR...
That should help you.
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Question for the group.
The AAA has been attacking literally everything associated with myself and the Reapers. CMDRs regardless of who they are. Systems like Carcosa, Coma, and even Prism are in their sights.
Obviously they believe outlaws are guilty by association. So, if there is a Distant Worlds 3 and members of the AAA participate (especially in leadership as they have in the past)...
...what then?
The AAA has been attacking literally everything associated with myself and the Reapers. CMDRs regardless of who they are. Systems like Carcosa, Coma, and even Prism are in their sights.
Obviously they believe outlaws are guilty by association. So, if there is a Distant Worlds 3 and members of the AAA participate (especially in leadership as they have in the past)...
...what then?
Have you ever asked yourself if YOU are the reason they are attacking you and EVERYTHING associated with you?
The more I see here the more I am seeing that particular people are arousing passions with the way they behave. If you are truly happy to play the bad guy then you cannot really complain if people hate you. And if you are happy to play the bad guy then you should be happy to have opposition. Meaning, I don't see why you should be upset if people oppose you if your MO is to upset people.
The more I see here the more I am seeing that particular people are arousing passions with the way they behave. If you are truly happy to play the bad guy then you cannot really complain if people hate you. And if you are happy to play the bad guy then you should be happy to have opposition. Meaning, I don't see why you should be upset if people oppose you if your MO is to upset people.
You might want to correct that part. 3303 there were no Loren's Reapers.
It was still Loren's Legion then, wasn't it?
The majority of people who buy one of the extra ships are visitors or explorers taking a break. The Alliance ships are selling like hotcakes. Are you telling everybody, go to the bubble for a few days on a SPEAR sponsored carrier to get the ship so you can let of some steam in Colonia?
LR never declared war on Colonia Council. The Nameless did during the first CG back in 3303 and as we know now Phisto was fighting on the side of Colonia Council at the time. LR wasn't in Colonia until 3305.
Stop with the "while everyone was out" argument. CL76 had 70+ people at that time and LR had around 10-15. No native faction supported CL76 in the subsequent wars over the outposts either and still LR sponsored CL76 to become a member of CEI. I got attacked by CL76 multiple times before I started shooting at them first. Even not that long ago I got pulled by them in my trade ship.
If I only would go by the video posted by SPEAR I would say the same, but I was there and have the 2.5h encounter on video too. What a piece of misinformation that video was. I have to give it to Akuma, he is a master of distorting the truth.
There will be carnage, but like always only in the systems of our opponents. Lot's of targets to choose from and not only in Colonia. We will emulate LPV.