The Quest To Find Raxxla
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So, been poking around in Sol a bit. Am I correct in assuming all the bodies are already 100% mapped in the DSS? Has anyone tried remapping them with probes again (even though the map will show 100% complete from the start) to see if any new POIs come up? I'm sure someone has so I'm going to hold off trying that for now and see if I can play hide and seek with asteroids for a bit.
what would a POI on the surface have to do with raxxla though? That would imply that raxxla wouldn't have been discoverable until poi's were added to the game. Which doesn't jive with the general idea that braben and all saying "it's in the game since gamma" implies that it's discoverable by players since then. Since that would technically be closer to lying than the truth. Not that Fdev is required to tell the truth.
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However, whether 'in game since gamma' means 'accessible since gamma' is still heavily debated
Apparently
Apparently
However, whether 'in game since gamma' means 'accessible since gamma' is still heavily debated
Apparently
When you allow that possibility, then it is far more likely that it's locked behind a permit that can't be acquired than anything else. Which makes the entire search pointless. So it is generally assumed, if you're searching...then you believe the statement implies accessible in some way.
I dont think we can really believe most of what DB at this point. I think he just says things he thinks will never get outed or disproved
When you're at that point then, you really have nothing to stand on at all. Everything become a potential lie or falsehood. The entire search simply becomes a lore story you're making up as you go.
Which granted, seems to be the case for most people anyway because the alternative is so unbearingly boring (grid searching not just systems, but roid fields and rings in systems where the only non-random assumption you can make is that the starting point should be sol system and working outward from that)
Its that whole Leap of Faith thing.... People were complaining about there being no religion in ED...
Its that whole Leap of Faith thing.... People were complaining about there being no religion in ED...
The main religion with raxxla is that there is a reason it will exist where it ends up existing. And that this reason can be deduced if you're clever enough, allowing you to find it without tedious searching. Despite the fact that it's been stated that no hints would be given, ... which negates any such puzzle to solve and being clever.
It's more entertaining to think that you could be more clever than everyone else and find it. When the reality is far more likely that it'll be just some random schlub who finds it (when Fdev allows it to be found), if it's able to be found at all, or someone in a team that is brute forcing the search. No clever puzzle. No use of myths and stories to unravel of a puzzle 30 years in the making.
as for no religion in ED - lore-wise... it's at least one thing future humanity got right.
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My point is that very contradiction indicates you need to take a leap of faith and accept that you believe in its existence and that there are clues and a path... In order to continue.
The question is ... Are you a Believer?
I was commenting on a thread in the Lore forum ... there is tons of religion in ED for those with eyes to see....
Absolutely not, i dont believe there are clues in the game currently or in the past that will lead to the location of raxxla. However I do believe it is in the game.
i think it will just require either luck or tedious searching to find it and/or a time when Fdev is ready for players to find it.
I dont think you can take what has been stated by fdev regarding raxxla without taking all of what they said about it. No clues or hints in game.... and that it's something that is a bit obvious so that players will recognize they found something special if they found it.
Everything else (the codex entry, books etc) are irrelevant.
If you dont believe what has been stated by them, then you're working in the realm of infinite possibilities ... and there's nothing determinant about the infinite.
See now you are just cherry picking - which things to believe.
no, i'm saying the codex is irrelevant as are the books because they're part of the lore and the lore is written by people who dont know anything more than we do because nobody knows where it's at and have been searching for it for a thousand years.
I'm not cherry picking what fdev as a company has stated about it. That's the only source of truth that exists if you consider what they say to be truthful.
edit: Plus, any such in-game content came after the statements about there not being any hints or puzzles in the game.. nor would it be connected to the narrative etc. So the codex being helpful contradicts the assumption that you can trust what fdev has stated. Since I'm working under the basic assumption that I must trust what Fdev has stated, then the codex is useless for raxxla. And the books were always useless for raxxla facts.
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But you are chery picking.... MB answered a question from an Interviewer asking for Clues about Raxxla ... he said 'there will be no clues" ... that is not an offical statement about Raxxla from FD that there will never be any clues ever about raxxla.... it was a man telling an interviewer im not telling you anything about the biggest secret in the game. And the fact that a Codex article exists within the Game specifically about Raxxla .... but that cant be a clue ... because of what MB said in a random interview? Amen brother
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I'll just drop a personal thought about this... that Permits were implemented on a galaxy-wide approach, all at once and that Frontier changed the mistery-driven "the truth is out there" to "permit-lock" most of it so we may have a sense of actual progression whenever we unlock them and they will make some of it story-driven by granting specific ones every now and then.
There will be no clues is exactly a statement that there will never be clues. It's the mouth piece of Fdev with directive from his higher ups on what he can and cannot say about raxxla telling the public that there will be no clues.
That means that the existence of the codex requires it to not be a clue. Or you dont believe what Fdev has stated about raxxla. End of story. there is no cherry picking there. Just language and facts.
I'm not sure what is confusing there. Either you dont trust what Fdev has stated and thus anything is possible, or you do and have to conclude that the codex and everything in the game that might mention raxxla is not a clue/hint/puzzle that will point you in the direction of raxxla's whereabouts.
I mean, it's not like he said "i'm not going to tell you any clues". He stated that there would be no clues. Now of course, fdev has retconned their own stuff in the past and could always decide to reverse course here. But until someone gets an alternative statement from them, that's what we have to go on. We can only assume that any in-game content mentioning raxxla is not a clue in any way to where it's located. or you've decided you can't trust fdev and then literally anything is possible. Which makes for fun lore writing, and not much else.
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Ya- I get where you are coming from on this. We are all picking and choosing bits because Its very hard to come up with anything that fits the whole. My personal take on that was that he was responding to the direct question and not giving a broad sweeping statement. And "clues" meant just that - out of game "clues" like the filthy tweets they give (anti twitterite here). But I dont consider ingame or in text stuff on raxxla as "clues" in the same sense. They are part of the story in my mind and part of the in game "path" to finding it.... but ya that is my interpretation of it. Like you said earlier I would prefer the more "entertaining" route
Not really commenting either way, but thought it’d be good to have what MB said in the DJ Truthsayer interview stated exactly as it was said.
DJ Truthsayer: <referencing MB’s response to the previous question>I like it, it’s cryptic, and it doesn’t reveal a damn thing. You’ve always said there’ll be no clues though, haven’t you.
MB: Errrmm <thinks> that is true. Errm <thinks> but I think you have to make some of it a tiny little bit obvious just so people know what they’re doing.
DJ: Yep
MB: Err.. But yeah, there’s nothing to be revealed at this stage.
Key point - he did say ‘so people know what they’re doing’, not ‘so people will know when they’ve found it’.
Other key point however - it’s not clear whether MB is talking about what they had already done or was thinking about how they would have to approach it.
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