There will be no clues is exactly a statement that there will never be clues. It's the mouth piece of Fdev with directive from his higher ups on what he can and cannot say about raxxla telling the public that there will be no clues.

That means that the existence of the codex requires it to not be a clue. Or you dont believe what Fdev has stated about raxxla. End of story. there is no cherry picking there. Just language and facts.

I'm not sure what is confusing there. Either you dont trust what Fdev has stated and thus anything is possible, or you do and have to conclude that the codex and everything in the game that might mention raxxla is not a clue/hint/puzzle that will point you in the direction of raxxla's whereabouts.


I mean, it's not like he said "i'm not going to tell you any clues". He stated that there would be no clues. Now of course, fdev has retconned their own stuff in the past and could always decide to reverse course here. But until someone gets an alternative statement from them, that's what we have to go on. We can only assume that any in-game content mentioning raxxla is not a clue in any way to where it's located. or you've decided you can't trust fdev and then literally anything is possible. Which makes for fun lore writing, and not much else.
Ya- I get where you are coming from on this. We are all picking and choosing bits because Its very hard to come up with anything that fits the whole. My personal take on that was that he was responding to the direct question and not giving a broad sweeping statement. And "clues" meant just that - out of game "clues" like the filthy tweets they give (anti twitterite here). But I dont consider ingame or in text stuff on raxxla as "clues" in the same sense. They are part of the story in my mind and part of the in game "path" to finding it.... but ya that is my interpretation of it. Like you said earlier I would prefer the more "entertaining" route :)
 
Absolutely not, i dont believe there are clues in the game currently or in the past that will lead to the location of raxxla. However I do believe it is in the game.

i think it will just require either luck or tedious searching to find it and/or a time when Fdev is ready for players to find it.

I dont think you can take what has been stated by fdev regarding raxxla without taking all of what they said about it. No clues or hints in game.... and that it's something that is a bit obvious so that players will recognize they found something special if they found it.

Everything else (the codex entry, books etc) are irrelevant.

If you dont believe what has been stated by them, then you're working in the realm of infinite possibilities ... and there's nothing determinant about the infinite.

Not really commenting either way, but thought it’d be good to have what MB said in the DJ Truthsayer interview stated exactly as it was said.



DJ Truthsayer: <referencing MB’s response to the previous question>I like it, it’s cryptic, and it doesn’t reveal a damn thing. You’ve always said there’ll be no clues though, haven’t you.

MB: Errrmm <thinks> that is true. Errm <thinks> but I think you have to make some of it a tiny little bit obvious just so people know what they’re doing.

DJ: Yep

MB: Err.. But yeah, there’s nothing to be revealed at this stage.


Key point - he did say ‘so people know what they’re doing’, not ‘so people will know when they’ve found it’.

Other key point however - it’s not clear whether MB is talking about what they had already done or was thinking about how they would have to approach it.
 
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You’ve always said there’ll be no clues though, haven’t you.

So whats he referencing there? a previous conversation or what?

MB: Err.. But yeah, there’s nothing to be revealed at this stage.

thats the bit that alarms me, the implication that it might be a story event at some point and thats the ends of the greatest secret in the game...and this thread, just like the Remember Salome one that lasted for 2 years and then just ended
 
Sol ...... and see if I can play hide and seek with asteroids for a bit.
I cannot stress enough my opinion that "dropping in" on the asteroids is futile.
The math, in case anyone missed it in my post:
Rough area of the asteroid field in game, in only 2 dimensions: 1,537,056,529,281 km squared
Assuming the belt is only 30km thick, the rough space occupied by the asteroid field in game: 46,111,695,878,430 km cubed
Breaking it down into 30km x 30km voxels (a rather large but still sensible area to search each time one drops into "real space"): 1,707,840,588 voxels (1 in 1,707,840,588)
For comparison, the odds of winning the Lotto Max jackpot are: 1 in 33,294,800.

I mean, I don't have an issue with people checking as long as they know what they're up against... I just feel like there is a good amount of CMDRs out there who think it's going to work one day, and that makes me sad... I see that as time and energy better used to figuring out whatever puzzle we still need to solve ;)
 
So, been poking around in Sol a bit. Am I correct in assuming all the bodies are already 100% mapped in the DSS? Has anyone tried remapping them with probes again (even though the map will show 100% complete from the start) to see if any new POIs come up? I'm sure someone has so I'm going to hold off trying that for now and see if I can play hide and seek with asteroids for a bit.

Tried it on a few bodies in Sol on my first visit many moons ago just in case, cant recall which ones specifically though and nothing new appeared, iirc I was just confused they were pre-mapped and wasn't sure what was going on so was just checking. Found out later why they were pre-mapped and never bothered again. Doubtful theres anything more to see though tbh.
 
Ya- I get where you are coming from on this. We are all picking and choosing bits because Its very hard to come up with anything that fits the whole. My personal take on that was that he was responding to the direct question and not giving a broad sweeping statement. And "clues" meant just that - out of game "clues" like the filthy tweets they give (anti twitterite here). But I dont consider ingame or in text stuff on raxxla as "clues" in the same sense. They are part of the story in my mind and part of the in game "path" to finding it.... but ya that is my interpretation of it. Like you said earlier I would prefer the more "entertaining" route :)
MB “We did look at a story involving Raxxla, but felt that was a story that should be played out in game rather than as a novel.” ( https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/elite-legacy.50320/post-2566545; https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/fdev-ed-relevant-quotes-videos.553526/#post-8671776 )

To be a story played out in game there must be an in-game storyline with clues. The fact that we haven’t found it/them may mean we’re looking in the wrong places. This is the frustrating thing about the disappearance of the SD missions, since they were the only thing that we have seen in-game that clearly related to Raxxla. Until we got the Codex, which doesn’t seem to help.
 
I think Im overly concerned with spamming the same info on 2 threads but an update on the Asteroid FSS POI conundrum. Note it still didnt show the Hesperus in the belt and couldnt even tell if an FSS signal at all due to number of FCs in system, but this is from original Hesperus thread.

Just for future reference:

It seems that if there is something in a belt you now get 2 zooms from the base FSS, one showing the belt and the POI and then one more just showing the belt, but no signal showing other or human etc. If nothing there it just zooms straight into the belt. It might be a compromise and might be a solution for hard to find but not having to drop into every belt from SC. Might. Or it might be just these LP and these belts, more research and evidence needed.

Taurus LP is visible in the Asteroid Belt like a Res Site or an LP around a planet when first zoom
California LP the same
Perseus Dark LP the same (pics below of 2 zoom scenario)



And did we ever get a reason / official response why the SD missions stopped appearing? 1st time I went to SD I was expecting them as had accidentally learned they existed there but avoided any more info as spoilers so didn't know they'd been taken away again, quite disappointed at the time. Was it just another Gan Romero thing with people reading too much into it and 'wasting their time'?

And MB quote 'story played out in game' again hints its more than 'ta dah you found it'...or was an intention at some point to do it that way maybe.
 
Yes, things may well have changed since MB’s statements; everything else seems to have changed, which makes a nonsense of the “MB said no clues so there can be NO clues!!” whine. No, I don’t think we ever got a satisfactory FD explanation of the SD missions. Some responses seemed to say they should still be in game, others “no comment” (which says something!), others were going to check....nobody really seemed to say anything at all about them. The “no comment” I find interesting; to me it implies the subject matter is Raxxla-related, so there must be some form of storyline leading to it. Perhaps the SD missions were either too obvious or, to my mind more likely, that they were obfuscations put out by SD TDW and it’s their role to obfuscate things so the missions were red herrings.

Dunno, my mind is in free fall. Dog seizure at 2am, cat crying to go out at 5:30, then another dog seizure at 9. Need more coffee!! No DIY today methinks! Might even fire up the PC and do some flying. I’ve managed to achieve 30 minutes of EDO alpha testing to date, and having just watched OA’s vid I’m not even minded to try the xenobology “mini game” (FD please note - game’s are supposed to be interesting and entertaining!!). Might have a trip out to Adamastor & Hesperus & the LPs to try and catch up on that storyline ready for the next instalment.
 
Dunno, my mind is in free fall.

I know how you feel mate and am sorry to hear about the co-pawlot. Its heart-breaking to watch and know you can do nothing to help. My Sister gave me the best advice so Ill pass it on 'Dont give up until they have given up'. If they are still happy in themselves then they must be coping with it somehow, they are stronger than we are sometimes, but all we can do is watch and feel helpless.

On a lighter note one of mine is not able to go up the stairs anymore but still wants to laze up there in the sun so he just stands at the bottom of the stairs and 'WOOF!' until he gets carried up. We call it the 'Bark & Ride' service :)
 
Hope the hound is OK. I have an elderly Border Collie (11) who has a growing list of health issues but still thinks he is 3, so know all about the worries.
Thanks! He seems fine now. Usually takes half an hour for him to recover properly. Now he's giving me black looks (difficult for a choccy lab!) as wants his lunch!!
He's on phenobarbital so is going slow now walks like an old man, though he's only 4 1/2.
But I definitely need more coffee!!!!!!!!!!
 
I know how you feel mate and am sorry to hear about the co-pawlot. Its heart-breaking to watch and know you can do nothing to help. My Sister gave me the best advice so Ill pass it on 'Dont give up until they have given up'. If they are still happy in themselves then they must be coping with it somehow, they are stronger than we are sometimes, but all we can do is watch and feel helpless.

On a lighter note one of mine is not able to go up the stairs anymore but still wants to laze up there in the sun so he just stands at the bottom of the stairs and 'WOOF!' until he gets carried up. We call it the 'Bark & Ride' service :)
LOL
I carried this one up the stairs until he was 6 months old, since current vet advice is no jumping or stairs until then. Couldnt manage it now! Got him some folding steps to get him in & out of the car. At 43Kg he's a pretty big lad (and slightly overweight, but mainly muscle & bone!)
 
Just an update .. beginning evidence gathering mission. Calculation of most likely coordinates is done. There are a total of 5 systems (often with multiple sets of 8 moons of unnamed gas giants) on either end of the line between Astrophil and Stella (and we may be dealing with a "so as above so below scenario). As of now, the information is being kept strictly TOP SECRET until theory validation is completed but will be revealed to everyone once this phase is completed (this is because this zone of possibility is based on 5-6 systems averaged that are all in close proximity - the calculations are not easy and this still produced a very small target zone with which to find candidates in that zone). Even if part of this is wrong, we have a framework that produces a 40 LY bubble of possibility and this can be rapidly redeployed to test theories. This is based on hard evidence with direct ties to the codexes, galnet, and other in-game sources. Everything had to match and for anything to be included it had to survive multiple rounds of falsification attempts or see if it stood up to alternative explanations. This is real folks.
 
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Just an update .. beginning evidence gathering mission. Calculation of most likely coordinates is done. There are a total of 5 systems (often with multiple sets of 8 moons of unnamed gas giants) on either end of the line between Astrophil and Stella (and we may be dealing with a "so as above so below scenario). As of now, the information is being kept strictly TOP SECRET until theory validation is completed but will be revealed to everyone once this phase is completed (this is because this zone of possibility is based on 5-6 systems averaged that are all in close proximity - the calculations are not easy and this still produced a very small target zone with which to find candidates in that zone). Even if part of this is wrong, we have a framework that produces a 40 LY bubble of possibility and this can be rapidly redeployed to test theories. This is based on hard evidence with direct ties to the codexes, galnet, and other in-game sources. Everything had to match and for anything to be included it had to survive multiple rounds of falsification attempts or see if it stood up to alternative explanations. This is real folks.
If you have a "so as above so below scenario", keep an eye on your jumponium. You dont want to get stuck above nowhere.
 
Just an update .. beginning evidence gathering mission. Calculation of most likely coordinates is done. There are a total of 5 systems (often with multiple sets of 8 moons of unnamed gas giants) on either end of the line between Astrophil and Stella (and we may be dealing with a "so as above so below scenario). As of now, the information is being kept strictly TOP SECRET until theory validation is completed but will be revealed to everyone once this phase is completed (this is because this zone of possibility is based on 5-6 systems averaged that are all in close proximity - the calculations are not easy and this still produced a very small target zone with which to find candidates in that zone). Even if part of this is wrong, we have a framework that produces a 40 LY bubble of possibility and this can be rapidly redeployed to test theories. This is based on hard evidence with direct ties to the codexes, galnet, and other in-game sources. Everything had to match and for anything to be included it had to survive multiple rounds of falsification attempts or see if it stood up to alternative explanations. This is real folks.
Basically the point of this test is validate whether Delphi System is the axis point to find Raxxla or not. There are indications Delphi System is a giant red herring such as the following:
-System name changed
-Tau Ceti became self sufficient as 2159
-Mars Artifact discovery 2280
-Multiple terraformed bodies closer to Sol than Tau Ceti suggest the who region was busy with terraforming and mining and other industrial projects related to terraforming and settlement during this time.

It is therefore a strong possibility this will just prove whether or Delphi is correct or red herring. If it is a red herring, the next best candidate for axis point between Astrophil and Stella is probably Sol (though open to suggestions here).
 
If you have a "so as above so below scenario", keep an eye on your jumponium. You dont want to get stuck above nowhere.
I will definitely be stocking up on jumponium material. Also, see my other post about what this is intending to either validate or falsify. By the way, I intend to share EVERYTHING once we know what what this means and next steps. The way I see if we can start a rapid fire validation / falsification process since there are some known connections.
 
-Multiple terraformed bodies closer to Sol than Tau Ceti suggest the who region was busy with terraforming and mining and other industrial projects related to terraforming and settlement during this time.

Pretty good explanation for how a certain station could get abandoned or left behind unused though....especially if cheaper or easier or just better tech meant a new one being built was better than demolishing and moving an old one
 
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