External View [A definitive discussion]

[lanael]

I'm ok with the idea of a controllable camera drone which can be piloted as a ship where the drone view replaces the cockpit view. As it exists in Arma 3 drones or even in Cybercon III (1991) !

That said it's much more complicated than the temporary solution I proposed in the 3rd post of this thread.

 

[Almond]

cant agree more. External cam is definitely awesome! Confining this to solo play wont damage the balance.
But if this becomes ture, FD also need to design a new UI for external cam

 

[DaHunn]

how about NO!!!

 

[Deyn]

How about go and play MP and leave external view to solo players!!!!!!!
Because I paid 120 EUR to see my cool looking ship flying through space? Because PvP balance is not an issue in solo play so I don't care about all the naysayers... and finally, because it is already in the game engine, so needs just a key binding. Or how do you think frontier is doing all the promo videos?

...and as a side effect the continuing complaints from people like me may finally come to an end?

 

[Deyn]

It's coming, just wait.

I read the DDF... and I also understood, Beta 3.x is the last build before Gamma which is supposed to be feature complete.
As a wild guess, I would say features that are not introduced in Beta 3 are highly unlikely to make it into Gamma. If it is not in Gamma it will not make release?

So I just wanted to point out, that the solo play approach is the easiest way for the developers, and can - hopefully - quickly be implemented...

As for the touching myself approach, no way I can do that! Totally spent everything on watching the beautiful external cam teaser videos on YouTube! Absolutely empty!

 

[Ozric]

...and as a side effect the continuing complaints from people like me may finally come to an end?

So happy to see another player who thinks that just moaning constantly is the best way to get what you want.

I read the DDF... and I also understood, Beta 3.x is the last build before Gamma which is supposed to be feature complete.
As a wild guess, I would say features that are not introduced in Beta 3 are highly unlikely to make it into Gamma. If it is not in Gamma it will not make release?

I'm not sure where you heard Beta 3 is the last build before Gamma.

As for the touching myself approach, no way I can do that! Totally spent everything on watching the beautiful external cam teaser videos on YouTube! Absolutely empty!

I don't remember any videos saying you can have these external cameras look! All of the trailer videos could easily have been shot from a SideWinder, or more than likely a ship they removed the struts from.

I can fully see the benefit of being about to park up and use a camera drone to take a scenic shot of your ship, but other than that I personally don't think it's needed.

 

[Innocence]

+1. Actually, if anyone's afraid external view will give an unfair advantage, simply disable player control while in external view.

 

[Seamaster7]

While it’s not required for game play, an external camera view would be really nice. It was one of the things I enjoyed in FE2 being able to see my ship land / enter a space station etc. Also I would want to see my ship if I have a new paint job on it.

 

[Deyn]

So happy to see another player who thinks that just moaning constantly is the best way to get what you want.



I'm not sure where you heard Beta 3 is the last build before Gamma.




I don't remember any videos saying you can have these external cameras look! All of the trailer videos could easily have been shot from a SideWinder, or more than likely a ship they removed the struts from.

I can fully see the benefit of being about to park up and use a camera drone to take a scenic shot of your ship, but other than that I personally don't think it's needed.

What I'm trying to make people understand is, the obvious and simple solution is to LIMIT external view to SOLO PLAY. The cinematic camera is obviously in the code, all complaints about unfair in Multiplayer do not apply to SOLO PLAY, so it is a simple thing to do and make a lot of people happy.

I understood from the timeline, they want to have the official release this year. So with Beta 3.x currently progressing and November at hand, I see it gets closer and closer. May be they pull out a Beta 4 and 5, in the end it gets ever closer to release.

Any discusion about "Drone", "Deactivating control", "time penalty" and other creative workarounds to prevent "cheating" are open to debate, as even a temporary glimpse around an asteroid, can be a huge advantage... but in SOLO PLAY there are no human players that are affected by that. And the NPCs won't mind!

To be really honest here: I bought the Beta because of the stunning videos and there was not the slightest hint you couldn't just watch the ships from the outside. That is a thing I do a lot in DCS World, in IL2, in <you name it> , as I love to see the cinematic epics of modern PC games... for me this little missing feature is a very bitter pill to swallow! With the paint jobs that you could buy it borders on the hillarious. Why pay even 10 cent for a paint job I can't see? To feel better?

I know a lot of debates on the forum went high about the 3rd person view and the "immersion breaking", "cheating", "unfair" arguments. So if you just step aside and open your mind to the idea of a nice panning external view that could only be used when playing alone, in your very own instance with no other player to gain advantage... and to watch your new paintjob on the ship... see the tear and wear! Take some nice screenies for the forums...

 

[Ozric]

I understood from the timeline, they want to have the official release this year. So with Beta 3.x currently progressing and November at hand, I see it gets closer and closer. May be they pull out a Beta 4 and 5, in the end it gets ever closer to release.

I personally think there'll be a Beta 4 at least (probably the tuesday after the premier if they follow suit) before Gamma, as apart from anything else we still really need to test Wings out.

but in SOLO PLAY there are no human players that are affected by that. And the NPCs won't mind!

Just to make clear that you do mean Solo Offline, not Online because you could still gain an advantage from it over people who just play Open or Private Group. As far as I'm aware there's been no confirmation on when that will be coming, unless I missed it.

To be really honest here: I bought the Beta because of the stunning videos and there was not the slightest hint you couldn't just watch the ships from the outside. That is a thing I do a lot in DCS World, in IL2, in <you name it> , as I love to see the cinematic epics of modern PC games... for me this little missing feature is a very bitter pill to swallow! With the paint jobs that you could buy it borders on the hillarious. Why pay even 10 cent for a paint job I can't see? To feel better?

Sorry, but if you brought a game on the strength of a video without checking if something, that was going to be this fundamentally important to you, was in the game or not then that's crazy. I brought a paint job to support a company who are making a game that I'm really exited about and plan on playing for many, many years to come. Plus when the camera drones are added I'll have them already.

I know a lot of debates on the forum went high about the 3rd person view and the "immersion breaking", "cheating", "unfair" arguments. So if you just step aside and open your mind to the idea of a nice panning external view that could only be used when playing alone, in your very own instance with no other player to gain advantage... and to watch your new paintjob on the ship... see the tear and wear! Take some nice screenies for the forums...

*sigh* If you would just open your eyes and search then you would realise that without all of the debates that have been had, there would still not be any chance of 3rd views coming at all. Have a read of this thread.

 

[jake_cohen]

So happy to see another player who thinks that just moaning constantly is the best way to get what you want.

You and your high horse. Stop belittling people, it's against the forum rules.

 

[Sir.Tj]

The sniping needs to stop now.

 

[jake_cohen]

The sniping needs to stop now.

What does 'sniping' mean?

 

[Deyn]

Just to make clear that you do mean Solo Offline, not Online because you could still gain an advantage from it over people who just play Open or Private Group. As far as I'm aware there's been no confirmation on when that will be coming, unless I missed it.

Sorry, how would an external view in SOLO online play be an advantage? As I understood, SOLO means you are the only human player, all other things going on around you are AI generated / NPCs... I never ever saw any Human player in Solo.

*sigh* If you would just open your eyes and search then you would realise that without all of the debates that have been had, there would still not be any chance of 3rd views coming at all. Have a read of this thread.

If you had read the thread you mentioned, or for that sake just used the search, you would have seen and read my posts in there... I don't like this getting a personal argument. The intention was, to provide a simple solution, for something that seems to scare the hell out of all FPS "fraggers".

If one of the Moderators have a final word on the current implementation, I'm fine, but you or any other "I don't want external view" faction guy are by no means an authority on this topic.

As well as you may post about "No", "I don't want external view" etc. I may "moan" again in favor of it... and as far as I've seen I'm by no means the only one missing an external view...

 

[jake_cohen]

Sorry, how would an external view in SOLO online play be an advantage? As I understood, SOLO means you are the only human player, all other things going on around you are AI generated / NPCs... I never ever saw any Human player in Solo.

If you had read the thread you mentioned, or for that sake just used the search, you would have seen and read my posts in there... I don't like this getting a personal argument. The intention was, to provide a simple solution, for something that seems to scare the hell out of all FPS "fraggers".

If one of the Moderators have a final word on the current implementation, I'm fine, but you or any other "I don't want external view" faction guy are by no means an authority on this topic.

As well as you may post about "No", "I don't want external view" etc. I may "moan" again in favor of it... and as far as I've seen I'm by no means the only one missing an external view...

1. That is correct. You are the only human player in solo.
2. I think your 'moaning' is valid. Carry on!

 

[Ozric]

Sorry, how would an external view in SOLO online play be an advantage? As I understood, SOLO means you are the only human player, all other things going on around you are AI generated / NPCs... I never ever saw any Human player in Solo.

If you could use it in SOLO online to gain an advantage over NPCs and make it easier to progress through the ranks of certain factions to obtain ships and weapons that you would have either, not been able to obtain, or struggled to obtain, then you could transfer over to OPEN online with a setup you wouldn't have had playing OPEN all of the time.

If you had read the thread you mentioned, or for that sake just used the search, you would have seen and read my posts in there... I don't like this getting a personal argument. The intention was, to provide a simple solution, for something that seems to scare the hell out of all FPS "fraggers".

If one of the Moderators have a final word on the current implementation, I'm fine, but you or any other "I don't want external view" faction guy are by no means an authority on this topic.

As well as you may post about "No", "I don't want external view" etc. I may "moan" again in favor of it... and as far as I've seen I'm by no means the only one missing an external view...

I don't think we're getting into a personal argument about it, nor do I proclaim myself to be an authority on this topic. I did notice that you'd posted in that thread as I have been following it since I signed up, but I was guessing that you hadn't gone back to it as Sandro's quote which was added to the front page explains exactly where the devs stand on the issue. It has nothing to do with me opening my mind to the option and everything to do with realising how far we've already come in the discussion and as this game was designed with the intention of never having 3rd person cameras, I'd say that's a fair way.

 

[jake_cohen]

If you could use it in SOLO online to gain an advantage over NPCs and make it easier to progress through the ranks of certain factions to obtain ships and weapons that you would have either, not been able to obtain, or struggled to obtain, then you could transfer over to OPEN online with a setup you wouldn't have had playing OPEN all of the time.

By that same logic though, he won't be able to use his 3d cameras in OPEN, so he'd be at a disadvantage after using the cameras as a crutch in SOLO...

Just like how any player can go safely do their trade routes/bounty exploits in group play and then go use their earnings in open...

 

[almostpilot]

External view of the ships. We will have it or not?

I know there are other topics about this, but I'm actually opening this in the hope of get a definitive answer from the developers about the subject.

With proximity launch of the game and with the intention of only being able to see and appreciate their own spaceship in flight. a definition would be interesting if we have or not this type of external view in the game when in flight.

 

[SlowTrader]

I know there are other topics about this, but I'm actually opening this in the hope of get a definitive answer from the developers about the subject.

With proximity launch of the game and with the intention of only being able to see and appreciate their own spaceship in flight. a definition would be interesting if we have or not this type of external view in the game.

Yes, look out the window of your ship, and you have an external view of EVERY other one

 

[Ʃsh]

You can view your ship in the hangar, and when you put a different paint job on it too.