Big Elite Streamers Giving Up On Streaming Elite?
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I'm so sad my girlfriend's having a bad day I decided to cut her head off?
Oh yeah and speak for yourself. I've been having a great time wuth EDO.
I wasn't suggesting that anyone should be harassed or threatened??
But then, I'm also unaware of any content creators on Youtube doing that.
Calling out, yes. As it should be. Responsibility and accountability is really important... especially when so many people feel aggrieved that they've been 'swindled' out of money.
But threatened? No.
Hopefully, there's some players left still interested in playing by then...
Feel free to ignore me if that's how you feel.
You've lost me.
Glad to hear it.
You were always more into the combat side of E: D than I was as I recall. Just wish there was more to it than just that, and more integration with the rest of the game. But I could say that about every patch, so...Go on then. We've had a number of fix updates already (and bet you any money there will be more), everyone got to see the alpha first. Where's the "swindle"?
In a completely unsurprising turn of events you'll find Juniper has been extremely negative about ED for years if you check his posting history. Some people are upset because performance issues prevent them from playing. Some don't like the concept of space legs. Some people dont even play ED but hover around all space games to plug that other thing. But people like Juniper have been furious for years and simply latch on to any dissent.
There is no money in nuance. FD should just promise they will add everything soon, so streamers can yell its the best thing ever. If not, its the worst thing ever. And something else is the best thing ever.
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I'll bet you a fiver.
Some people feel that they were sold something that wasn't as advertised - and they can't get their money back because of the way FDev released it onto Steam, which meant they couldn't get a refund if they've played the base game. I have an LEP so didn't experience this, but I can imagine it would be annoying.
I only lost £750 for playing the original alpha and betas, after they dropped offline mode, but y'know...
And I'm not saying you were.
What I'm saying is that enough of it is happening from faceless people behind their keyboards to warrant a statement from the lead community manager earlier today.
What I'm saying is that if these content creators love the game as much as you imply they do, and they're doing this out of passion and not revenue generation, then toning down some of the 'swindling' rhetoric or even addressing the fact that harassment and threats are out of order would be beneficial. Beneficial to stop some of the loons from sending their nonsense, beneficial to the rest of us so that the devs can actually focus on getting the fires put out rather than thinking "sod this, its not worth it."
And speaking of 'swindling' do you have evidence of that? Because while the game is definitely in a poor state with (a lot) or work to be done, constantly saying 'swindling' implies that Frontier knowingly and intentionally cheated people out of money - which I don't think is correct. (And its that sort of rhetoric, by the way, that's resulting in their employees being threatened)
Er .. nope. Couldn't. I played on £100 laptop until just before EDO when I bought a better one. I've been a miner since before limpets and travelled on Gnosis (exploring) for 18 months. Did fuson fuel calculations and Speedbowl. I like theft, in EDO.
Content creators are as much a part of the community as any member of these forums. We are all people playing a game and sharing that experience.
From what I understand, the negative backlash itself isn't directly hampering the development of the game. The game itself is doing that more than enough.
Some people in the community however, have taken that to an extreme, with directly attacking / insulting staff (hence today's post by Arf).
What's important to understand (as far as I'm concerned at least) is that there is a difference between negativity (i.e. being unhappy and expressing that), and being toxic (being unhappy and targeting individuals / groups). Frontier quite rightly won't tolerate the toxic element. However, they fully accept and understand the negative element (I know that for a fact). They are also totally ok with content creators.
So yes, keeping criticism civil is important. I'm not sure I need to directly address that, as I try to be civil myself, and most of the comments within my community comments for Elite videos, whilst extremely negative are not necessary dramatically toxic (although some get borderline).
As to some content creators fleeing to Star Citizen. I think that's entirely natural. Regardless of what some people actually chose to believe on the forums, the fact is that interest in Elite is at an all time low. As I said earlier, YouTubers have access to a lot of information in the form of stats. Those stats show that interest is on a downward trend. Why would any content creator not look elsewhere for content?
For me, I rarely touch Star Citizen. I will likely start producing 3 or 4 videos a month on it perhaps. It's a natural game to look at in the space genre. Then again, I'm not in the same situation as most Elite Dangerous content creators. A huge part of my focus is on Microsoft Flight Simulator, and has been for a very long time now. I also cover other space and sci-fi games etc. So Elite isn't my "main thing".
It's funny that some people feel I'm generating "negative Elite videos" for the views. The truth is, I only produced 3 Elite videos in June, and I certainly didn't need the views those videos produced. I could have produced any video on any game and received the same number of views.
However, I still love being a part of the Elite community. I still enjoy the Horizons element of Elite. I certainly don't need Elite, or the views it provides...but I still like being a part of the Elite community.
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You seem to have a lot of strong opinions about things you didn't experience.I have an LEP so didn't experience this, but I can imagine it would be annoying.
Hypothetically: if you were negative or upset about something in ED, and the same thing is similar or worse in SC, would you point it out in your next stream? Or will you keep quiet about it as long as your target audience isn't aware of the issue yet?
Just curious...
Because you could make videos about things you love, rather than things your 'target audience' loves.
The old OA would have understood. The old OA would not have even dared asked such a cynical rhetorical question. Oh well. Enjoy the clicks.
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You're on.
Relevance? Are they the same people do you think?
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Relies entirely on a nice Steam operative. They're under no obligation to give you it. I know of people who have gone down this route and been refused.
Maybe because of this.
Maybe the lesson here is to be less 'all or nothing', and not more of it.
"I spend a huge amount of money on the idea of a computer game, but now I am going to irrationally rage against it for years!"
Neither is that great, mate.
Except I'm not raging & am perfectly rational? Not sure why you're attacking me tbh, rather than disagreeing with (which you obviously do) my points and addressing those? You're basically asking me why I still care. I provided one (though far from the only) reason.
But whatever.
Reading these forums does make it easy to see how Trump & Brexit happened.
In my videos I say what I think.Hypothetically: if you were negative or upset about something in ED, and the same thing is similar or worse in SC, would you point it out in your next stream? Or will you keep quiet about it as long as your target audience isn't aware of the issue yet?
Just curious...
I absolutely adore MSFS, and I think Asobo are among the best developers on the planet. But when I think they screw up, I call it out. Sometimes people are aware of those issues, sometimes they aren't...that doesn't factor into my decision to mention a problem. Sometimes I get flak for calling things out, sometimes I don't. But I call it like I see it. I'm not saying my opinion is right. I'm just saying it's my opinion. People are free to take it or leave it (dislike and ubsub) I'm 100% fine with that. (I've never once said "like and subscribe" btw haha
I think it's 100% unnecessary and a terrible aspect of YouTube. I'm happy for people to do either (although preferably not on mass )As for SC, I've made videos praising aspects of its planets (although they are too small), and I've made videos pointing out its crazy development cycle. I get a lot of crap for the latter from the SC community (and I mean a lot).
For me, making videos is a passion. I'm lucky enough to make a living from my passion. I'm also lucky enough that people enjoy watching what I am passionate about making. It's cheesy to say, but it's a case of "Build it and they will come". I try not to over sensationalise, or create drama. Sometimes that is a natural side effect, but it's never the aim or the intent. Drama and sensationalism is also not necessary for me to drive views. I have generated tens of millions of views with positive videos, and far less with so called "negative" videos.
Personally, I prefer the positive content. But I'm also not going to shy away from talking about my opinions when they are on the "unhappy" or "negative" side. I'm here to create the content. If I'm lucky I get the views.
Or to put it another way, my passion / creativity / enjoyment and even occasionally frustration are the driving forces for my content. Views are secondary. Of course they are important, but they are not the driving focus or the aspect that drives my decisions.
On a final note, I will add that so called "negative videos" on Elite generate a far more negative comments section when compared to a "negative video" on any other game I cover. Does that say something about me, or something about the respective communities for each of those games?
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