Why is it so difficult for you to understand that those players affected by the problem CANNOT DO THIS?
Peregrina Aristocrats
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Why is it so difficult for you to understand that those players affected by the problem CANNOT DO THIS?
Why haven't you read the topic yet? Yes, even the messages on the previous page!
but it is good idea...
If PA could be present in other systems, it MAYBE prevent expansions into player faction system?
After expanding them in other system they can even kick PA from HIP.
ALL SWORDS TO PEREGRINA! 75% FOR PA IN PEREGRINA!
If you read the message I was replying to, you'll see that what was being discussed was keeping PA controlled in a non-Peregrina system so as to allow non-permit holders to obtain the permit.
It just seems rather hypocritical for CEC to constantly complain about this "God's hand" - when by your own admission, you forced PA into Peregrina because you wanted God to intervene! And now that they have, you claim you couldn't possibly keep PA contained to the permit-giving system while bemoaning the opposition for not completing a task that is literally impossible for the vast majority of the players it affects.
I have read the whole thread. You're getting confused about which posters and which points are being discussed.
Some peope are saying that there wasn't a problem for Frontier to deal with at all. But there was.
So Peregrina Aristocrats wasn't actually a threat to you. You could beat them down whenever you chose to. Therefore no need to drive them out of the ONE system that they had to remain in, to continue offering the permit to new players.
I believe they're referring to when PA were already trapped in Peregrina. It conflicts with what they said about wanting the permit to be accessable, but oh well.
I can go back through the thread and quote the messages from CEC if you'd like, but I suspect it'd be a waste of time. As I've previously stated, I am in support of making the megaship not interact with the BGS. But that would require Frontier to break the rules they established with Tiliala. It seems to me that CEC are only against the hand of god when it doesn't obey them.
Edit: Actually, getting the quotes was easier than I expected. Here you are.
CEC asking Frontier to hand of god a solution in?
One of the messages complaining that about the use of Hand of God:
Oh, no wait, here's a really good one. Perfectly applies to CEC, except that your request for god mode hasn't yet been answered.
And one more from you yourself, saying you wanted Frontier to hand of god a solution in:
You wanted Frontier to intervene, and caused the situation in which they would. Don't attack other players because the way in which Frontier responded was consistent to previous events.
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Still waiting for someone to explain why the EXPANSION of Peregrina Aristocrats was a problem for CEC.
Were they CONQUERING you?
WHERE were they conquering you?
You just retreated them from all the systems and you control them and keep them from expanding even in their own system
Sooo... you seem to be pretty good at controlling PA and i'm pretty sure you will manage to do that in HIP 18609.
True, CEC are rather selling themselves short here. A retreat is extremely difficult to pull off when others are pushing the faction, many times harder than just making sure they don't win any wars that might allow them to expand. Especially as most permit shoppers will be looking for missions rather than grinding out conflict zones.
So the problem lies with CEC being located in Kagutsuchi. Would changing that be a more elegant solution?
Maybe you weren't trying to, but that's exactly what you did.
And I'm starting to get the same impression. You are a player group that is large enough to be in 65 systems and control 45 of those. If you know anything about BGS then you'd know that managing one faction in one low population system that you already control for a group of your size is child's play.
Are you seriously saying right now that you guys, a group that is in 65 systems and controls 45 of those can't manage one faction in one system? Are you kidding me?
Well any case I know you're reasonable havign talked with you at length before on this matter over Discord. The reason people seem to be going for that is that at least by the sounds of things (and perhaps this is just language barrier issues) is that you've been asking FDev for solutions many times on this for 5 years now and repeatedly turned down? If that's so it really seems like at this point it's clear that they aren't going to change their minds.
Mainly though, now that you have them isolated to one system outside of Peregrina you can control them easier since you only have to focus on them in one location.
Dear pilots, who has taken this or that position, who is outraged, confused or puzzled.
Let me calmly and respectfully explain to each of you (regardless of your intentions, the presence or absence of aggression to us) the essence of our proposal, the reasons for the current situation, the reason for disagreement with a number of proposals from the counter forum.
I apologize if anyone from our faction unintentionally offended any of the pilots. The fact is that our pilots, who wrote there, spent about 3-4 years (!) of their life on this work consistently, to protect systems from spontaneous influence. Therefore, our pilots may be on edge. Plus, the level of English of the guys is different, can slip mistakes in the construction of phrases or logical, please take it with understanding as well.
Our guys are greatly hurt by the wall of incomprehension toward their work and the sincere desire to solve the problem with benefits for everyone, not just one of the parties. The whole situation around the blockade of Peregrina, everything that led to the present dialogue was done after we met with complete ignorance of the appeals and complete indifference from the pilots who visited our lines.
Only by escalating the situation for a brief moment, it was possible to give impetus to the adoption of a correct, adequate solution, capable of becoming a precedent for the solution of any similar problems in other factions and pilots in the future.
We had no desire to interfere with anyone or break the gameplay, not at all. The goal is simple, without an overlay of any side tinsel, to convey to the public and the FD a clear understanding that there is a solution that will avoid future conflicts and that will allow all of us, as a large community, to enjoy the game with the opinions of each individual pilot in mind.
With all due respect, the option that they are trying to impose on us, saying 'we don't care about your time, let your pilot sit and constantly monitor the system' is unacceptable. This is just plain ignorance and disrespect. Especially against the background of the really concise and polite solution we proposed.
I urge everyone involved in the dialogue to cool down a bit, sit down, reread our appeal, reflect, and support it.
We are not griefers or gankers, as many here have tried to call us, and we have no destructive goals.
Our faction is a research faction, we write weekly Russian-language news for our segment, we translate game resources, help with the correction of incorrect lines of translation of the game and develop software.
In the current situation, we want a trivial mutual respect of interests and proposed an effective option for the community and respected developers to consider. No more and no less.
Let me calmly and respectfully explain to each of you (regardless of your intentions, the presence or absence of aggression to us) the essence of our proposal, the reasons for the current situation, the reason for disagreement with a number of proposals from the counter forum.
I apologize if anyone from our faction unintentionally offended any of the pilots. The fact is that our pilots, who wrote there, spent about 3-4 years (!) of their life on this work consistently, to protect systems from spontaneous influence. Therefore, our pilots may be on edge. Plus, the level of English of the guys is different, can slip mistakes in the construction of phrases or logical, please take it with understanding as well.
Our guys are greatly hurt by the wall of incomprehension toward their work and the sincere desire to solve the problem with benefits for everyone, not just one of the parties. The whole situation around the blockade of Peregrina, everything that led to the present dialogue was done after we met with complete ignorance of the appeals and complete indifference from the pilots who visited our lines.
Only by escalating the situation for a brief moment, it was possible to give impetus to the adoption of a correct, adequate solution, capable of becoming a precedent for the solution of any similar problems in other factions and pilots in the future.
We had no desire to interfere with anyone or break the gameplay, not at all. The goal is simple, without an overlay of any side tinsel, to convey to the public and the FD a clear understanding that there is a solution that will avoid future conflicts and that will allow all of us, as a large community, to enjoy the game with the opinions of each individual pilot in mind.
With all due respect, the option that they are trying to impose on us, saying 'we don't care about your time, let your pilot sit and constantly monitor the system' is unacceptable. This is just plain ignorance and disrespect. Especially against the background of the really concise and polite solution we proposed.
I urge everyone involved in the dialogue to cool down a bit, sit down, reread our appeal, reflect, and support it.
We are not griefers or gankers, as many here have tried to call us, and we have no destructive goals.
Our faction is a research faction, we write weekly Russian-language news for our segment, we translate game resources, help with the correction of incorrect lines of translation of the game and develop software.
In the current situation, we want a trivial mutual respect of interests and proposed an effective option for the community and respected developers to consider. No more and no less.
Yeah, it's the faction's homesystem, minor factions can't be retreated from their home.
Well hopefully FDev agrees with the proposal and everyone can be happy, but some of us are just suggesting solutions just in case they don't, no disrespect intended.
At least for myself I swing through the Peregrina area on occasion and may be able to run a few INF+++++ missions for your group, time permitting.
Not by player action perhaps but it maybe that FD could reassign the home system to another they control perhaps?
FDev has been pretty consistent on their stance of not relocating factions. The proposal to INF lock the PA carrier is more likely, although I'm still not expecting it terribly much either.
I suppose CEC could simply declare a new system to be "our new home system" without Frontier's assistance. IIRC, the only advantage of an "official" home system is that the faction can't be pushed out of it. They could push a new system (not near Peregrina or any other faction's territory) up to 75% Inf and work from there instead.
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