The niche idea is based on subjective observations. Red deer differ radically from fallow deer, both in behavior and appearance. The fact that they are part of the same branch does not make them identical. So don't occupy the same niche. The fact that you don't want to see "boring" animals specific from Europe in DLCs (without being present only în Europe) does not mean that other players don't need them much. To me, all animals in North America are "boring" and have little exoticism. But it's a matter of personal perception because I don't live in North America. We should not talk about what we want negatively, by exclusion but positively in the hope that everyone gets what they want.
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No one said they were identical, they said they filled the same niche (I.e., large Asian cold climate cat)
No one said other people can’t or shouldn’t want them, they just said they didn’t want them.
Seems like that would make them more exotic to you? In any case, feel free to say you don’t want North American species - your subjective opinion is just as valid as anyone else’s (but theirs is also just as valid as yours).
Irrespective of how we talk, not everyone is going to get what they want. By expressing and communicating our preferences we help Frontier to choose content that will make the game better for as many people as possible. By providing reasons (whether subjective or objective ones) we provide even more information to help them make the best decisions possible.
Not bad. Another option: replace the ocelot with the fossa, so that we still have a cat-like animal that doesn't resemble a jaguar
Couldn't agree more
Would be to much new animals in one pack, which we are yet to see in one dlc. I tried to be as realistic as possible. Another reason is fossa being perfect for something Island oriented.
While i understand the opinion, let me clear up why i believe they do very much deserve to both be in the game.
Nr. 1. They are two of the most common kept species in zoos worldwide, with the Fallow deer being the third most common animal in the EAZA with 862 holdings and the most common in captivity subspecies of the red deer with 321 on rank 45, but more then 50 more holdings across its other subspecies.
For an example of how much that is, there are 276 Holdings of lions in the EAZA on rank 60.
Nr. 2. Both Species are actually very different in apperance.
Besides simply the fallow dear being spotted and the red deer not, they are also significantly more nimble and smaller then the much bulkier Red deer.
This picture shows pretty well what i mean.
But besides being larger and more muscular, they also have significantly different antlers, with the fallows weird paddles.
Nr. 3. They have very different uses in zoos, akin to large antelopes vs Gazelles that are friendly and unskittish enough for walkthroughs.
Both Species are in every wild park imaginable and have very different habitats, as the red deer isnt suitable for walkthroughs and ironically is more shy despite its size, while the fallows allmost allways live in a big walkthrough enclosure.
But in the end, its up to you guys whst you want and its super fine that you dont want them.
But for me and im sure many other people they just have a special place in our hearts as the royality of the forrest and one of the essential cast members of our smaller local zoos many of us want to recreate
I didn't say I didn't want North American animals. As proof, I bought the DLC with the animals from NA. But there are some who insist that any animal that is specific to Europe is "boring." That is why it should no longer be present in any niche. As an example of personal perception, without exclusion, because I use it in my zoo, the bison seems to me the most "boring" animal in terms of behavior, în the game. It would have been much more interesting to have his European version, which is much more massive, lives in the forest and has a complex behavior, adapted to the environment and is hundreds of times less "boring" than the bison. If I said that the animals in NA seem boring to me, I did it not by exclusion, as some do with those in Europe. I applied only the same simplistic reduction.
Tbf, he didnt say anything against europe though, just that he didnt want any temperate deer, no matter if its from europe or north america
You’re missing the point - The point is that, if you didn’t want them there’d be nothing wrong with saying so.
If that’s their opinion. Then it’s fine for them to express it. Note though, that it’s not what Bearcat said.
But the bison and the ‘European version’ are not filling the same in-game niche because they are from different continents. Whether you find them more or less interesting is not relevant to the argument bearcat is making - he’s not saying they’re less interesting, he’s saying they fill the same niche. Bearcat coukd (and fir all I know does) think that the red deer is much more interesting but still not want it added simply because it’s niche is already filled.
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Mmm, yeah, no. This is a forum. Learn to get comfortable with discomfort, that's the real world. I can say that I don't want a certain thing and that's ok, you can say you do want a certain thing and that's ok too.
Also, I never said that, and you're projecting, which I don't appreciate.
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Bearcat as he stated, completing his argument for not wanting the red deer, I quote: The red deer and fallow deer are the exact same niche for the game, that being large animal, deer, temperate, Europe, walkthrough, common/lease concern. That's what I mean when I say occupying the same niche. And I personally don't want two animals for that niche, it feels bloated for me. I don't even want the white-tailed deer, an animal that ranges throughout the entire Americas and would make arguably more sense.
So he referred to Europe, and said that if we had a deer, even though he didn't want to, he mentioned one from the NA. The deer niche is far from full.
The niche, as defined in the quote (where I’ve bolded it) refers to ALL of the characteristics simultaneously, not just one of them. Bearcat doesn’t want another large European temperate deer species that works as a walkthrough animal and is of least concern. Nothing in what he said implies (much less states) that Bearcat is against European animals in general (or even European deer in general - though I’d guess they would consider another European deer to be too similar)
He mentioned a NA deer as one he didn't want. He was saying how, if he wanted another deer, it'd have to be truly unique for him.
I get it, too. I wanted a white tailed deer, but I realize it won't give much difference than the fallow deer. Same with the red deer; it won't bring anything truly unique to the table.
If I were to choose another deer, I'd choose between a Pére David's deer, which has a conservation story, or the non-deer musk deer
If white tailed deer is not very different from fallow deer, what does Bearcat's statement say that it makes more sense to have it compared to red deer, which is completely different and covers another niche, as KönigDerKaffeebohnen has shown? Just because that deer is from NA?
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If the new one comes out in conjunction with Halloween it could be "SCARY ANIMALS DLC" , maybe even the introduction of flight dynamics begins 
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OWL (any species)
AYE-AYE
TASMANIAN DEVIL
FLYING FOX
SHOEBILL
MARABOU STORK
BALD UAKARI
Exhibit animal:
STAR NOSED-MOLE or JAPANESE SPIDER CRAB
, maybe even the introduction of flight dynamics begins :OWL (any species)
AYE-AYE
TASMANIAN DEVIL
FLYING FOX
SHOEBILL
MARABOU STORK
BALD UAKARI
Exhibit animal:
STAR NOSED-MOLE or JAPANESE SPIDER CRAB
Personally I think that if they bring us another deer to the game I will be delighted, they are one of my favorite animals.
However, I think that the species of deer that could be included in the future is not so important.
Like the great antelopes of Africa that occupy the same niche, deer do so in Europe and North America.
That is why I think that those of us who like antelopes and deer do not care too much that they occupy the same niche since they are different species with their singularities.
I welcome another deer with open arms, be it the red deer, the Pére David or any other beautiful deer.
What am I going to do, there are those who like felines or canines more and any of them excites them.
Greetings to all!!!!
However, I think that the species of deer that could be included in the future is not so important.
Like the great antelopes of Africa that occupy the same niche, deer do so in Europe and North America.
That is why I think that those of us who like antelopes and deer do not care too much that they occupy the same niche since they are different species with their singularities.
I welcome another deer with open arms, be it the red deer, the Pére David or any other beautiful deer.
What am I going to do, there are those who like felines or canines more and any of them excites them.
Greetings to all!!!!
Well, these numbers are a bit tricky when it comes to native deer species since Zootierliste also features some facilities that aren't zoos. Like parks or farms open to the public.
If I just look at the places in Denmark with fallow deer, around 2/3 of the places there aren't zoos. Most of them are what we call Dyrehave (Animalgarden), which is just a big piece of land with a fence around it holding usually 2-3 deer species. I believe you can find similar examples in other countries.
I don't know to what Bearcat thinks, but what I think about the WT deer is that it's extremely versatile. It's found in temperate forests, grasslands, scrublands, deserts, tropical forests, swampy areas. It's range is from north North America all the way to Argentina. Plus, it'll be NA's deer-like deer. Those are its pros, and why some of us, like me, like it.
It's cons are that it's not special anyways. I mean, it's widely hunted for sport, has no cultural significance
Whoops, sorry about that...
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Wasn't directed at you