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[Riverside]

Because some people don't own the full package, and having the full package restricts us from playing with them :l

To be fair, it continues to restrict us when 'we' were expecting to be able to with 4.0

 

[Judge Raven]

It's hilarious, first, it was"consoles are holding us back" or "buy a pc". Now they want to be a part of 4.0 also for their friends. Well tell your friends to buy odyssey like we were told to buy a pc lmao

 

[Kimosabe_X]

I discontinued reading on page 9, too much official crap...

In my honest opinion, your mileage may vary...

 

[alexzk]

Thanks. My expectations are realistic (low) with regard to on-foot combat and settlement play.

My main interest in Odyssey would be the Exobiology play as an expansion to what I mostly do now, in Horizons. From what I've read, this is less demanding than the on-foot settlement combat. So seeing how the new planet surfaces perform (even though I can't get out of the SRV) will be interesting. I do wonder if the Exobiological elements will be visible from within the SRV.

Try slider something like "terrain work amount" on close to right position when you do landings. Left-most boosts fps, right-most boosts generating of items like flowers or rocks. So if you plan to do biology then you need close-to-right slider set so you can see flowers from the ship. With left position you will be flying over empty terrain (visually).

 

[Lordsetesh1985]

I am hoping this means I did it right lol

 

[yianniv]

it is you who are not seeing it........ it isnt the horizons players losing out (because they didn't pay so fair enough) it is the Odyssey customers who DID pay who can no longer play with their mates who didnt (in HORIZONS 4.0..... no one AFAIK is asking Horizons players to be allowed into EDO 4.13).

and end of the day call us fully paid up Odyssey customers entitled as many times as you want.... it was Frontier themselves who stated that after launch Horizons would have an update to put it on the new engine allowing EDO and EDH players to instance together where the content overlaps........ I accept there may have been unseen issues with this letting the EDH players joiin into EDO, but letting EDO players join into EDH 4.0 is what is being asked for.

Again things can happen..... but FD really should come clean about it and at least acknowledge that they have backtracked, and not insinuate that it is us the players who have the wtong end of the stick on this favour they are doing EDH players........

Not everyone reads the forums all the time so many will be very surprised who just took FDs initial announcement at face value.

No, it's you that don't see it. Your mates lost the ability to play with you when they refused to pay for Odyssey. Every counter argument is just for the sake of argument. You don't pay, you don't get to play. Sorry.

 

[TehnoMag]

Why do I get the feeling that our former consoles are always the cause of everything while the issue is with the people who are complaining? Why would you need 4.0? you have the full package.

Well, I'm not complaining at all. Why do you think so? I'm interested to know the reasons and nothing more.

 

[Riverside]

No, it's you that don't see it. Your mates lost the ability to play with you when they refused to pay for Odyssey. Every counter argument is just for the sake of argument. You don't pay, you don't get to play. Sorry.

To be fair, it continues to restrict us when 'we' were expecting to be able to with 4.0

 

[papamobile]

We no longer sell Horizons as a separate package. A while back it was rolled into the base game so that anyone who buys Elite Dangerous today automatically has the ability to land on planets and other things that were originally exclusive to the Horizons DLC. Therefore "Horizons" is now effectively synonymous with "base game".

4.0 Horizons or ("4.0 base game" if you will) is now being offered to players on PC who don't own Odyssey so they can try out that version of the codebase.

So what I've understood is that 4.0-Horizons is a completely new exclusive package that is being given for free to the players who don't own Odyssey so they can try the new ED's iteration.

Makes sense, okay, but I find all of this very misleading. The problem is the name of the package. By naming a package "4.0-Horizons" or even worse "4.0-Base game" means you're actually revoking people access to a package they bought. Odyssey is an expansion pack, not a brand new game, so we should still retain access to anything that falls under Horizons or Base Game, right?

It's all up to how you name a package, really. It would make much more sense to name this package something completely different, like "4.0-OdysseyDemo" or "4.0-OdysseyPreview". That would have been way more intuitive and straightforward and I'm sure it would have caused less confusion; but like this it feels being stripped of something that I've bought.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

No, it's you that don't see it. Your mates lost the ability to play with you when they refused to pay for Odyssey. Every counter argument is just for the sake of argument. You don't pay, you don't get to play. Sorry.

ok maybe there is one and you can find it, but i challenge you to show me one other example of a game where after buying an upgrade you lost access to another active version of the game where other players are playing.
EDH 4.0 isnt some demo taster. it is the only version pre Odyssey which will get the new narrative content, so going back to 3.18 isnt possible if it is a narrative based CG forinstance.
To be blunt i am not bothered about other players who dont pay not having access to MP features in the DLC, after all that is their choice to not pay.

I am bothered about those who DID pay no longer able to enjoy the content they would have been able to enjoy had they not upgraded.

 

[Ravenov]

Players with and without Odyssey have only ever been able to play together in 3.8. We're not offering to change that. Rather this is an option for non-Odyssey owners to try out the 4.0 codebase.

With all due respect, that's a ridiculous state of affairs.

 

[WILLIAM BILL ADAMA]

@Bruce G
Expectation for "sharing instance" was not from users. As you know, that was originated from your post. But nobody will ask for impossible, if "sharing instance" is too heavy to develop at current circumtance. Please, just be honest to users.

Horizons / Odyssey Compatibility

Greetings Commanders, We hope you enjoyed the recent alpha for the PC version of Elite Dangerous: Odyssey! Thank you once again for your feedback and suggestions which will have a lasting impact for all future Commanders. This only marks the beginning for Odyssey. After the game launches on...

forums.frontier.co.uk

May 12, 2021
Greetings Commanders,

We hope you enjoyed the recent alpha for the PC version of Elite Dangerous: Odyssey!

Thank you once again for your feedback and suggestions which will have a lasting impact for all future Commanders. This only marks the beginning for Odyssey. After the game launches on 19 May, we’ll continue tweaking and balancing according to your experiences, just as we have done in the past.

We know there are still a number of questions from the community, and today we’d like to give more information on the shared galaxy between Elite Dangerous: Odyssey and Elite Dangerous: Horizons.

From PC Launch:

All Elite Dangerous: Odyssey players will gain access to the new features, including planetary improvements, enhanced lighting, and textures. The differences will mean that Elite Dangerous: Horizons players cannot share a gameplay session with those playing Odyssey. However, Odyssey owners will be able to share a session with and play with those in Horizons by launching the game in Horizons mode – though if they do this, they will temporarily not have access to the new Odyssey features.

Console Launch Onwards:

In line with the console launch, we plan to update Elite Dangerous on all platforms (PC/PlayStation/Xbox) to allow Odyssey and Horizons players to reunite and play together with other users on their respective platform.

All Horizons players will also receive the new graphical updates, including the new planetary tech, lighting, and organics, free of charge, but will not be able to get out on foot or enter Odyssey’s tenuous atmospheres.

If you have any questions please leave them in the thread down below, and we will answer them as quickly as we can!

o7

 

[Sakashiro]

I really can't understand why you can't see it: buy dlc-->instance with dlc. Not buy dlc --> not instancing with dlc. You're having a really entitled attitude, cmdr. You can't have something you don't pay for.

It's a stupid move though. ED (the original base game) and EDH shared the same client and allowed mixed instances in space. Now imagine you were playing with your friends, and at some point they said, "let's land on that planet over there," and you couldn't join them because you didn't have the DLC. This would create a strong incentive to upgrade the game to EDH, wouldn't it?

Now with all the EDO players completely separated from EDH 4.0, there's no such peer pressure. All you'll see in EDH 4.0 is an empty game that doesn't really improve anything, because as Bruce said, client 3.8 will remain the only client shared between EDH and EDO players, while EDH 4.0 is just for testing. But it won't even let you test the new settlements, so what's the point of downloading it? To actually test EDO, you still have to purchase/refund it. EDH 4.0 is completely pointless.

I'm getting the impression that FDev's upper management didn't think this through. Or maybe they don't understand player psychology.

 

[GHKTruc]

What it seems people that don't understand what the problem is:

Before: You have Odyssey, but your friend doesn't ? Just play On Horizon 3.8

Just before Update 13: Oh BTW 3.8 is now discontinued and will not get more content. Horizon players will get the new narrative on 4.0

Now: You have Odyssey, but your friend doesn't and wish to play the new narrative elements in a squad ? Too bad you can't because Odyssey owner can't downgrade to Horizon 4.0

 

[TehnoMag]

What it seems people that don't understand what the problem is:

Before: You have Odyssey, but your friend doesn't ? Just play On Horizon 3.8

Just before Update 13: Oh BTW 3.8 is now discontinued and will not get more content. Horizon players will get the new narrative on 4.0

Now: You have Odyssey, but your friend doesn't and wish to play the new narrative elements in a squad ? Too bad you can't because Odyssey owner can't downgrade to Horizon 4.0

@Bruce G
Expectation for "sharing instance" was not from users. As you know, that was originated from your post. But nobody will ask for impossible, if "sharing instance" is too heavy to develop at current circumtance. Please, just be honest to users.

Horizons / Odyssey Compatibility

Greetings Commanders, We hope you enjoyed the recent alpha for the PC version of Elite Dangerous: Odyssey! Thank you once again for your feedback and suggestions which will have a lasting impact for all future Commanders. This only marks the beginning for Odyssey. After the game launches on...

forums.frontier.co.uk

May 12, 2021
Greetings Commanders,

We hope you enjoyed the recent alpha for the PC version of Elite Dangerous: Odyssey!

Thank you once again for your feedback and suggestions which will have a lasting impact for all future Commanders. This only marks the beginning for Odyssey. After the game launches on 19 May, we’ll continue tweaking and balancing according to your experiences, just as we have done in the past.

We know there are still a number of questions from the community, and today we’d like to give more information on the shared galaxy between Elite Dangerous: Odyssey and Elite Dangerous: Horizons.

From PC Launch:

All Elite Dangerous: Odyssey players will gain access to the new features, including planetary improvements, enhanced lighting, and textures. The differences will mean that Elite Dangerous: Horizons players cannot share a gameplay session with those playing Odyssey. However, Odyssey owners will be able to share a session with and play with those in Horizons by launching the game in Horizons mode – though if they do this, they will temporarily not have access to the new Odyssey features.

Console Launch Onwards:

In line with the console launch, we plan to update Elite Dangerous on all platforms (PC/PlayStation/Xbox) to allow Odyssey and Horizons players to reunite and play together with other users on their respective platform.

All Horizons players will also receive the new graphical updates, including the new planetary tech, lighting, and organics, free of charge, but will not be able to get out on foot or enter Odyssey’s tenuous atmospheres.

If you have any questions please leave them in the thread down below, and we will answer them as quickly as we can!

o7

Please read carefully.

 

[alexzk]

To actually test EDO, you still have to purchase/refund it. EDH 4.0 is completely pointless.

Then keep play 3.8.
For example me, if I didn't have Ody or couldn't buy it, I would play H-4.0 for long because that could be best I got and I don't care about "team play".

 

[yianniv]

ok maybe there is one and you can find it, but i challenge you to show me one other example of a game where after buying an upgrade you lost access to another active version of the game where other players are playing.
EDH 4.0 isnt some demo taster. it is the only version pre Odyssey which will get the new narrative content, so going back to 3.18 isnt possible if it is a narrative based CG forinstance.

You (Odyssey player) don't lose anything. The Horizons players get a trial of Odyssey for free to keep. If they like it and their pcs can support it, they can choose to buy it and join your instance.

And, even though I don't really mind, I'll say this argument that could be valid (I really don't feel like this, and I apologize in advance for stating it, but it could stand): I prepaid the full version of Odyssey. What gives a player the right to play for something they don't pay for? Shouldn't I get refunded if all code is free as another player is suggesting (although they say they're code developers and their boss wouldn't be happy with such views)?

 

[Imo]

I'll be here to monitor proceedings following everyone's return to game and support in any way needed.

The upgrade ran through without any problems on both my Lenovo laptop and my gaming PC. No noticeable changes found in Odyssey on my end.

 

[Quillmonkey]

So, the base game is still ED Horizons 3.8
The DLC is still ED Odyssey 4.0
And ED Horizons 4.0 is merely a gimmick to sell more DLC?
Is that what Bruce is saying?

 

[Derelict ship]

Well, I'm not complaining at all. Why do you think so? I'm interested to know the reasons and nothing more.

If you are just a gamer, why would you like to know 'corporate' reasons? Sally clearly stated in the OP that they won't discuss any instancing situations here, they have the right to keep technical and/or marketing reasons for insiders only.

I just can't see the problem here, lets say your 'squadron' consists of 15 friends; if 10 of them already own Odyssey, given the other 5 just tested AND LIKED Horizons 4.0 and it runs fine on their machines, they can simply buy Odyssey (or the other 10 can gift them Odyssey if some can't afford it, you're friends after all!), problem solved. If, on the other hand, the 5 non-Odyssey owners, can't run Horizons 4.0 decently on their machines, then all the group can join in 3.8 as always, problem solved. Easy as that.