Map of the entire roster by (approximate) animal distribution

SuzieSky

SuzieSky
Reasons why I really want the American Black Bear (personally, it is the NA animal I would have picked above all others, even in DLCs and the base game):
  1. Local: Favorite local animal
  2. Nostalgia: Favorite Zoo Tycoon 1 animal (besides the unicorn)
  3. Different Game Niche: Could work as a cheap early game bear
  4. NA final representation: I agree that it is the most obvious missing NA species
  5. It is the big apex predator for most the east coast, where most of the US people live (mountain lions only pass through occasionally from a tiny spot in FL)
  6. I want all of the bears eventually
  7. Fun: They come in a lot of colors:
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I like having a few species, (i.e. red fox, fallow deer, llama) to try to get different coat variations. I would like to see grey wolves fixed to have more colors.
Other species with good color variation: Asian golden cat, Geoffrey's spider monkey, lar gibbon

This doesn't mean that I don't want animals from SA or other places. If there were 100 more habitat animals, I would take ~32 from SA (with collared peccary, white tailed deer, and 9 banded armadillo overlapping with NA), ~25 from Africa (with a few also in the Middle East), ~24 from Eurasia (with wolverine and musk ox overlapping with NA), ~11 from Oceania, ~5 from oceans, and 3 exclusive to NA (American Black Bear, a bird - probably Turkey, and the bighorn sheep - maybe)
 
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jcp011c

jcp011c
I wouldn't be opposed to a Bighorn Sheep, Coyote, NA Porcupine Arctic Hare or NA River Otter but I would agree North America is very well represented now - 18 habitat animals if I'm counting right. The American Black Bear is quite high profile especially to us North Americans, and I'd say that it's the only remaining exclusively North American animal that would be a staple zoo animal. Of course, there's also the Wolverine and Muskox but they're not exclusive to North America - taking into account the attempts at reintroducing the Muskox into Europe.
 

biggest_dreamer

biggest_dreamer
Honestly, I consider the NA river otter, white-tailed deer, coyote, and bobcat similarly common to the black bear when looking at cross sections of the zoo spectrum. Otters are far more common in AZA/higher budget zoos that don’t get the far less common ASCOs, and the other three are low budget/wildlife sanctuary staples. In a perfect world with years of support left, I’d want to see all of them. However, the black bear’s presence in American zoos transcends notions of budget or notoriety. They have a presence in zoos of every caliber. Not every zoo has them, but every zoo could have them, and I think that’s a pretty important distinction.

Anyway I do really want all three remaining bears. I wish Frontier hadn’t been so slow at rolling them out (we haven’t gotten a bear in a year and a half), and I wish they hadn’t gotten so many people soured on bears from the beginning between the HBB’s existence and the polar bear fiasco.
 
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jcp011c

jcp011c
biggest_dreamer said:
Anyway I do really want all three remaining bears. I wish Frontier hadn’t been so slow at rolling them out (we haven’t gotten a bear in a year and a half), and I wish they hadn’t gotten so many people soured on bears from the beginning between the HBB’s existence and the polar bear fiasco.
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Bolded part- that's true, and it feels like it's about time for another one. I don't really feel like pulling all the numbers, but two animals of a family doesn't feel like a lot given the amount of releases, especially compared to felines and canines. on the other hand we did have a good amount in the base game.

Editing to add - it's also time for another pig/swine from the Suidae family, or for a slight twist a pecarry from the Suina family, of which we have none. the two are visually similar enough in looks for me to group them together. We've had a total of one out of all of the DLC, and we only had one from the base game as well. Along with Equids, they're rather underrepresented (again, my opinion).

To bring it to this discussion, all three of these types of animals have individual species that could help fill in the map a little. Peccary for Central America, Spectacled Bear for non-amazonian South America, and the Kiang for the Middle East.
 
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yoav_r

yoav_r
jcp011c said:
Bolded part- that's true, and it feels like it's about time for another one. I don't really feel like pulling all the numbers, but two animals of a family doesn't feel like a lot given the amount of releases, especially compared to felines and canines. on the other hand we did have a good amount in the base game.
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We didn't get another lizard in 2 and a half years. And no xenarthrans in nearly 3 years. And no new snake since base game.

And no any sort of waterfowl ever.

What we do get, and a lot of, is temperate carnivorans, even if specifically the bears are only at 62.5% completion compared to the ideal.

Except the specatcled bear, which at least covers a few empty niches, I'd rather keep on waiting for a year or two before seeing the ABB and the Sloth Bear.

I get the want for them, and there's nothing wrong with that, but I suspect this push for cheap and local species is what made for a such a luckluster roster choice for the Twilight Pack.

We should put our efforts towards the groups and niches of animals which have been sidelined since launch, and carnivorans are not one of them.
 

yoav_r

yoav_r
SanRazo618 said:
I want the Sea Otter... the Eurasian and NA otter are too similar to the ASCO. So please if we get a third otter lets get the most unique one.
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I'm torn on marine animals. On the one hand I want them, on the other hand I still hold a tiny hope for a full on Planet Aquarium down the line.
 

SanRazo618

SanRazo618
yoav_r said:
I'm torn on marine animals. On the one hand I want them, on the other hand I still hold a tiny hope for a full on Planet Aquarium down the line.
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Personally I’m hoping against such a game because I’d much rather have it all in PZ.

But in the note of the sea otter specifically it’d be similar to the California sea lion, Grey seal, or king penguin. Primarily marine species that are semi aquatic.
 

KönigDerKaffeebohnen

K
DarthQuell said:
How common are European otters in zoos compared to NA otters in zoos?
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226 EAZA holding is quite the number.
No offense, but i wouldnt be surprised if there wernt even 226 recognised zoos in north america

Edit: Actually just fact checked, there are 336 zoos in the USA alone, so W for north america regarding my expectation.
 

KönigDerKaffeebohnen

K
476 is double the number of AZA zoos then.
The cockatiel is the 23. most common EAZA animal with 484 holdings.
There are 634 EAZA members holding emus, more then 2,5 times as much as their are AZA zoos.
And the "not a zoo animal" king of trash has 550 EAZA holdings.
Show them king, T pose on the haters by being more then double as common then they have recognised zoos.
All hail the trash panda rebellion
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Ngl this is intensly satisfying
 

SanRazo618

SanRazo618
KönigDerKaffeebohnen said:
476 is double the number of AZA zoos then.
The cockatiel is the 23. most common EAZA animal with 484 holdings.
There are 634 EAZA members holding emus, more then 2,5 times as much as their are AZA zoos.
And the "not a zoo animal" king of trash has 550 EAZA holdings.
Show them king, T pose on the haters by being more then double as common then they have recognised zoos.
All hail the trash panda rebellion
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Ngl this is intensly satisfying
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😂😂 not gonna lie that’s hilarious. Only time I’ve seen a raccoon as of yet in a zoo was a non aza recognized zoo but I see them a lot in the wild
 

yoav_r

yoav_r
Doran said:
Expect there are only around 307 EAZA full members (european and middle east countries) and 37 associate members (outside europe).

So there is no much difference between accredited zoos in NA and Europe when we look at overall number of zoos.
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Which makes sense considering the populations.
 
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