Notice A statement on cheating in Elite Dangerous.

this is as valid as saying "outside is raining"
it may be raining on your street, but if i look outside the windows it is all sunny and cheerful.

in our particular case that is ED, the cheat advertising campaign organized by ryan did more harm than the cheats themselves.
I didn't meant that the cheater harms another ones game play directly e.g. because they met in game.

I was talking about the harm it does to the number of sold games and to the number of people who play the game in total.

In these days people check a game on the internet before they buy it. Now blaming the messenger with "the cheat advertising campaign organized by ryan did more harm than the cheats themselves" is definitively not the way to think about this nowadays. You can not hide the information. You can not control the information (about cheats available). You need to adress security problems (and cheats in game) as soon as you become aware of it!

I wouldn't buy a game where it is common that cheaters are around. It just doesn't make sense to play such a game (except for the cheater). But to comfort you I admit that we are able to play without encountering cheaters directly. I guess thats why Fdev puts no priority on anti cheat. On the other hand someone who is looking forward to buy the game does not know that the cheaters are not so omnipresent and still won't buy the game.

I am reiterating myself. Please read my other posts in this thread.
 
And it pretty much requires permanent maintenance and tweaking. And then we go back to maintenance costs, subscriptions based or ingame monetization.
Then indeed ED will be cheats free... and also players free.
This is just categoric wrong. Not every anti-cheat software requires monthly fees. In fact it is the same idea for cars. Just because you can sell a car doesn't mean you have no further costs. Maintaince costs are to be taken care of by the customer, sure, but for instance if your engine stops working the company has to repair it (assuming you bought the car in the last couple of months).
And with Elite, in case your game is breaking you gotta repair it. This also includes cheating as well as other issues. However inEltie's case they are not being taken care of.

Frontier is effectively ignoring most of the issues and strictly follows their internal plan which is not influenced by events such as this one right here. Unprofessional. Unable to adapt and thus follows low quality.
 
Anti cheat software is like anti-virus or anti-anything software. You will never accomplish 100% safety and this is not even the goal. The goal is just to build a big hurdle to minimize the amount and impact of cheats or unwelcomed software. Since you realized that I believe we are on the same boat here.

And yes, why doesn't FDev does anything a professional developer studio would today? Let alone this "official statement on cheating" is an absolute joke. It effectively says nothing, it shows no plans and actions of how to tackle this issue. There are no liabilities, no ETAs, not even the smallest hint of any ACTION to be taken.
Over the past 2-3 years or so FDev has been shifiting more towardsa political organisation: says alot, does nothing or nothing right and the community is completely decasuled from the developer team. There is no connection and thus FDev serves content often unwanted, in low quality or even not at all.

Now with cheating. This statement for real is the most political message that contains no information I have ever seen. Canned response as if they had it prepared before the disaster happened. Atleast we know that they take reactive actions to cheaters and ban some of them to solo (which doesn't stop them from influencing the BGS, PP or other things, a complete game ban is necessary and appropiate) but that doesn't prevent any sorts of cheats now and neither in the future.
Comparing that to the most similar statement they released in tha tform was combat logging. If they take cheating just as serious as combat logging then there is absolutely no hope for cheat prevention in this game because until this day there has been done ab-so-lu-te-ly nothing, nada, zero, vacuum against combat logging.
It still persists after more than 4 years, the punishment is soft at best and it is frequently happening in Elite and thus, the same outcome will most likely happen to cheaters as well. Soft punishments, frequent use of hacks, especially in solo to influence BGS and PP or even botting.
If this is professional level for anyone this world is lost.
While i also wish FD would be forthcoming with information about their anti-cheat activities, its not likely to happen. FD have been pretty closed mouth on the topic for years. They will do as they do, and getting worked up about it and ranting on the forums won't change anything.

Just chill. Either FD are doing something, in which case, your ranting won't change anything, or they are not, and it also won't change anything. Either you can live with the state of affairs in the game or you can't.

Ultimately, it is the playerbase who decide whether to play or not and FD to react to that based on constructive feedback. If enough people stop playing because of cheaters, then it might (or might not) prompt FD to do something different.

Its hard for me to get worked up about this topic. I haven't seen a cheater in game once as far as i know. I might (or might not) have seen a cheater in CQC, hard to tell sometimes. Playing in open i barely see other players anyway, and when i do, there is usually no response, not even to an o7.

I do hope FD are doing their best to address the issue and are being professional about it. Not being on the inside, i have no idea about this, but there again, neither do you.
 
Frontier is effectively ignoring most of the issues and strictly follows their internal plan which is not influenced by events such as this one right here. Unprofessional. Unable to adapt and thus follows low quality.

No, i do think that they are actively fighting cheats, but the fact that 1000 people yell wolf at every stray dog they encounter does make their job 1000 times harder.
 
Just chill. Either FD are doing something, in which case, your ranting won't change anything, or they are not, and it also won't change anything. Either you can live with the state of affairs in the game or you can't.
While you are watching the apocalypse do its job please don't stand in my way trying to stop it. I will critize as much as I please and speak out praises if I feel like they are fitting. Either you can deal with critique towards others or you can't.
If you like the game as it is go play it, I won't stop you but I am putting effort in creating pressure so those who are responsible for this mess clean it up some day.
 
While you are watching the apocalypse do its job please don't stand in my way trying to stop it. I will critize as much as I please and speak out praises if I feel like they are fitting. Either you can deal with critique towards others or you can't.
If you like the game as it is go play it, I won't stop you but I am putting effort in creating pressure so those who are responsible for this mess clean it up some day.
LOL, apocalypyse.

Drama llama much?
 
You similarly attempt to depreciate the issue. Your stance is the more damaging one imo.
Damaging? Neither stance is damaging. I just find calling the occurence of cheats in an online game an apocalypse, frankly speaking, hysterically funny.

Its a game. A game. Once again, a game. Nobody will die due to the presence of cheats in a game. Frustrating, yes. Annoying, yes. Can we hope FD can/will do something about it, yes. But calling it an apocalypse? Jesus fricking wept.
 
But calling it an apocalypse? Jesus fricking wept.
You similarly attempt to depreciate the issue. Your stance is the more damaging one imo.

If you don't think it's a big deal just ignore what you interpret to be extreme views and they won't gain as much traction, if what you assume is correct.
 
Damaging? Neither stance is damaging. I just find calling the occurence of cheats in an online game an apocalypse, frankly speaking, hysterically funny.

Its a game. A game. Once again, a game. Nobody will die due to the presence of cheats in a game. Frustrating, yes. Annoying, yes. Can we hope FD can/will do something about it, yes. But calling it an apocalypse? Jesus fricking wept.
For those who play the game in a competitive manner it is a dealbreaker, "apocalypse" is a rhetoric way of saying that, and you are using a strawman.
 
For those who play the game in a competitive manner it is a dealbreaker, "apocalypse" is a rhetoric way of saying that, and you are using a strawman.
So how many cheats have you met in game?
I'm sure they exist - as was illustrated so well by the CMDR who got himself a ban by slot blocking - and action should be taken to negate the particular software. I'm just curious how widespread the use of that cheat is :)
 
For those who play the game in a competitive manner it is a dealbreaker, "apocalypse" is a rhetoric way of saying that, and you are using a strawman.
Sure, if you meet a cheater it is a dealbreaker, in which case, if you think you are facing a cheat, disengage, then report them to FD. Ideally with video evidence.

Retoric? Sorry, no, drama. If people discussed things in a sensible manner, we might be able to have a more constructive discussion.

Strawman? Please explain how.
 
You similarly attempt to depreciate the issue. Your stance is the more damaging one imo.

If you don't think it's a big deal just ignore what you interpret to be extreme views and they won't gain as much traction, if what you assume is correct.
I do believe some of the hysterics around here is unwarranted yes. I agree its bad, i agree FD really need to do something, and i hope they are doing something. I disagree its the more damaging (naturally), and i think the hysterical posts of some people are far more damaging.

As for ignoring, i could, but there again, maybe i can convince someone they are being extreme and perhaps to discuss things in a more rational manner.
 
Damaging? Neither stance is damaging.
actually, not, but just because frontier doesn't seem to give a flying arx about what's said here, and that's because it's by now pretty evident that the only strategy they have for the issue is 'learn to live with it', i.e. do nothing special. it's just as if they had decided there is nothing to worry about. maybe there isn't ...

I just find calling the occurence of cheats in an online game an apocalypse, frankly speaking, hysterically funny.
that's subjective. it may be a storm in a teacup, but that's still a storm for a fly in the tea, right? those are pvpers and any pvp-friendly players who have (utterly wrongly, go figure!!!) assumed that this game gives proper importance to the pvp setting and workings. in such a scenario the current news would be indeed of disastrous consequences, very well comparable to an apocalypse, and would push the game and the developer away from the scene in no time. even as a non- or anti-pvper you should be able to understand this. with a tiny little bit of effort? yes? just a little bit?

now, of course this is all moot because ed never was a serious attempt at pvp in the first place, nor plans to be. that was just 'some confusing communication' on their marketing thingy and wishful thinking from the players. nothing to see here.
 
Sure, if you meet a cheater it is a dealbreaker, in which case, if you think you are facing a cheat, disengage, then report them to FD. Ideally with video evidence.
The thing is, we shouldn't have to do that in the first place plus you are assuming we can actually see if they are cheating.

Retoric? Sorry, no, drama. If people discussed things in a sensible manner, we might be able to have a more constructive discussion.
Drama? Sorry, no, rhetoric. Do you really think he meant it was an apocalypse?

Strawman? Please explain how.
The complain directed at FD is about the wide availability of cheats and the lack of effective countermeasures for months not about the game having some cheats.
 
The thing is, we shouldn't have to do that in the first place plus you are assuming we can actually see if they are cheating.



Drama? Sorry, no, rhetoric. Do you really think he meant it was an apocalypse?



The complain directed at FD is about the wide availability of cheats and the lack of effective countermeasures for months not about the game having some cheats.
Well, from my own experience as a hacker, saying "we shouldn't have to" makes me smile. There is no such thing as perfect hack prevention. You can get damn good protection, as i noted earlier, Easy is pretty good from what i hear and makes things difficult, but it also becomes a challenge. It stops the script kiddies and requires the real professional hackers to make the hacks that get around that. Now, if FD were to use Easy anti-cheat, it would most likely kill all the existing cheats, since as far as i know, they all use the same method. The question would then be, would one of the really good hackers step up and take on the challenge. For a really popular game like Fortnite, they do. For ED.... i suppose it all depends on whether any of them are interested.

Regardless, if you think someone might be cheating, report them anyway. You won't always know, if a cheater is being circumspect, but if they are cheating in open, i question their ability to do that.

Second part - no, i think he was being a drama llama.

Third part - wide availability? You mean 2 variants of the same cheat being made by 2 hackers? There might be another vairant in the wild, i'm not sure whether its a real hack or whether its a scam.

The lack of effective countermeasures? I don't know. Do you have inside knowledge of what goes on? How many they have banned? How good their detection is? I know from reading the cheat forum that some people have been banned within the last few months. Whether that was because FD spotted them, someone reported them, or whether they were just doing something incredibly stupid (like jumping 500 LY or whatever in 1 jump, i don't know).
 
The lack of effective countermeasures? I don't know. Do you have inside knowledge of what goes on? How many they have banned? How good their detection is? I know from reading the cheat forum that some people have been banned within the last few months. Whether that was because FD spotted them, someone reported them, or whether they were just doing something incredibly stupid (like jumping 500 LY or whatever in 1 jump, i don't know).
well, they managed to get caught pants down for hours by that t10 blocking the mail slot. while streaming. in open.

and i've been poking around the kiddies forum too. that's as innocent as it gets. no, they don't have it under control. not at all. ofc that's just my opinion, we don't know the internals, they won't tell. they don't say a word, just regurgitate that blank and meaningless statement again and again. lately not even that.

could they be implementing thorough and solid anti-cheat silently in the background? well, it can't be ruled out. neither can flying elephants, mind you, but i wouldn't bet my lunch on it :D
 
maybe i can convince someone they are being extreme and perhaps to discuss things in a more rational manner.
You could, but you weren't.

I've never knowing been Clogged on and it probably wouldn't be very frustrating if they did but I recognise that it's something that should be handled by the game.

I have been opposed by people who have (proudly) cynically instance switched to farm materials for engineering, short-cutting past work I have done to reach the same level of defence & offence. It isn't very frustrating and I understand their motivation (principally because it's endemic behaviour) but I recognise that it's something that should be handled by the game.
 
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