I didn't meant that the cheater harms another ones game play directly e.g. because they met in game.this is as valid as saying "outside is raining"
it may be raining on your street, but if i look outside the windows it is all sunny and cheerful.
in our particular case that is ED, the cheat advertising campaign organized by ryan did more harm than the cheats themselves.
This is just categoric wrong. Not every anti-cheat software requires monthly fees. In fact it is the same idea for cars. Just because you can sell a car doesn't mean you have no further costs. Maintaince costs are to be taken care of by the customer, sure, but for instance if your engine stops working the company has to repair it (assuming you bought the car in the last couple of months).And it pretty much requires permanent maintenance and tweaking. And then we go back to maintenance costs, subscriptions based or ingame monetization.
Then indeed ED will be cheats free... and also players free.
While i also wish FD would be forthcoming with information about their anti-cheat activities, its not likely to happen. FD have been pretty closed mouth on the topic for years. They will do as they do, and getting worked up about it and ranting on the forums won't change anything.Anti cheat software is like anti-virus or anti-anything software. You will never accomplish 100% safety and this is not even the goal. The goal is just to build a big hurdle to minimize the amount and impact of cheats or unwelcomed software. Since you realized that I believe we are on the same boat here.
And yes, why doesn't FDev does anything a professional developer studio would today? Let alone this "official statement on cheating" is an absolute joke. It effectively says nothing, it shows no plans and actions of how to tackle this issue. There are no liabilities, no ETAs, not even the smallest hint of any ACTION to be taken.
Over the past 2-3 years or so FDev has been shifiting more towardsa political organisation: says alot, does nothing or nothing right and the community is completely decasuled from the developer team. There is no connection and thus FDev serves content often unwanted, in low quality or even not at all.
Now with cheating. This statement for real is the most political message that contains no information I have ever seen. Canned response as if they had it prepared before the disaster happened. Atleast we know that they take reactive actions to cheaters and ban some of them to solo (which doesn't stop them from influencing the BGS, PP or other things, a complete game ban is necessary and appropiate) but that doesn't prevent any sorts of cheats now and neither in the future.
Comparing that to the most similar statement they released in tha tform was combat logging. If they take cheating just as serious as combat logging then there is absolutely no hope for cheat prevention in this game because until this day there has been done ab-so-lu-te-ly nothing, nada, zero, vacuum against combat logging.
It still persists after more than 4 years, the punishment is soft at best and it is frequently happening in Elite and thus, the same outcome will most likely happen to cheaters as well. Soft punishments, frequent use of hacks, especially in solo to influence BGS and PP or even botting.
If this is professional level for anyone this world is lost.
Frontier is effectively ignoring most of the issues and strictly follows their internal plan which is not influenced by events such as this one right here. Unprofessional. Unable to adapt and thus follows low quality.
While you are watching the apocalypse do its job please don't stand in my way trying to stop it. I will critize as much as I please and speak out praises if I feel like they are fitting. Either you can deal with critique towards others or you can't.Just chill. Either FD are doing something, in which case, your ranting won't change anything, or they are not, and it also won't change anything. Either you can live with the state of affairs in the game or you can't.
LOL, apocalypyse.While you are watching the apocalypse do its job please don't stand in my way trying to stop it. I will critize as much as I please and speak out praises if I feel like they are fitting. Either you can deal with critique towards others or you can't.
If you like the game as it is go play it, I won't stop you but I am putting effort in creating pressure so those who are responsible for this mess clean it up some day.
Damaging? Neither stance is damaging. I just find calling the occurence of cheats in an online game an apocalypse, frankly speaking, hysterically funny.You similarly attempt to depreciate the issue. Your stance is the more damaging one imo.
You similarly attempt to depreciate the issue. Your stance is the more damaging one imo.But calling it an apocalypse? Jesus fricking wept.
For those who play the game in a competitive manner it is a dealbreaker, "apocalypse" is a rhetoric way of saying that, and you are using a strawman.Damaging? Neither stance is damaging. I just find calling the occurence of cheats in an online game an apocalypse, frankly speaking, hysterically funny.
Its a game. A game. Once again, a game. Nobody will die due to the presence of cheats in a game. Frustrating, yes. Annoying, yes. Can we hope FD can/will do something about it, yes. But calling it an apocalypse? Jesus fricking wept.
So how many cheats have you met in game?For those who play the game in a competitive manner it is a dealbreaker, "apocalypse" is a rhetoric way of saying that, and you are using a strawman.
Sure, if you meet a cheater it is a dealbreaker, in which case, if you think you are facing a cheat, disengage, then report them to FD. Ideally with video evidence.For those who play the game in a competitive manner it is a dealbreaker, "apocalypse" is a rhetoric way of saying that, and you are using a strawman.
I do believe some of the hysterics around here is unwarranted yes. I agree its bad, i agree FD really need to do something, and i hope they are doing something. I disagree its the more damaging (naturally), and i think the hysterical posts of some people are far more damaging.You similarly attempt to depreciate the issue. Your stance is the more damaging one imo.
If you don't think it's a big deal just ignore what you interpret to be extreme views and they won't gain as much traction, if what you assume is correct.
actually, not, but just because frontier doesn't seem to give a flying arx about what's said here, and that's because it's by now pretty evident that the only strategy they have for the issue is 'learn to live with it', i.e. do nothing special. it's just as if they had decided there is nothing to worry about. maybe there isn't ...Damaging? Neither stance is damaging.
that's subjective. it may be a storm in a teacup, but that's still a storm for a fly in the tea, right? those are pvpers and any pvp-friendly players who have (utterly wrongly, go figure!!!) assumed that this game gives proper importance to the pvp setting and workings. in such a scenario the current news would be indeed of disastrous consequences, very well comparable to an apocalypse, and would push the game and the developer away from the scene in no time. even as a non- or anti-pvper you should be able to understand this. with a tiny little bit of effort? yes? just a little bit?I just find calling the occurence of cheats in an online game an apocalypse, frankly speaking, hysterically funny.
The thing is, we shouldn't have to do that in the first place plus you are assuming we can actually see if they are cheating.Sure, if you meet a cheater it is a dealbreaker, in which case, if you think you are facing a cheat, disengage, then report them to FD. Ideally with video evidence.
Drama? Sorry, no, rhetoric. Do you really think he meant it was an apocalypse?Retoric? Sorry, no, drama. If people discussed things in a sensible manner, we might be able to have a more constructive discussion.
The complain directed at FD is about the wide availability of cheats and the lack of effective countermeasures for months not about the game having some cheats.Strawman? Please explain how.
Well, from my own experience as a hacker, saying "we shouldn't have to" makes me smile. There is no such thing as perfect hack prevention. You can get damn good protection, as i noted earlier, Easy is pretty good from what i hear and makes things difficult, but it also becomes a challenge. It stops the script kiddies and requires the real professional hackers to make the hacks that get around that. Now, if FD were to use Easy anti-cheat, it would most likely kill all the existing cheats, since as far as i know, they all use the same method. The question would then be, would one of the really good hackers step up and take on the challenge. For a really popular game like Fortnite, they do. For ED.... i suppose it all depends on whether any of them are interested.The thing is, we shouldn't have to do that in the first place plus you are assuming we can actually see if they are cheating.
Drama? Sorry, no, rhetoric. Do you really think he meant it was an apocalypse?
The complain directed at FD is about the wide availability of cheats and the lack of effective countermeasures for months not about the game having some cheats.
well, they managed to get caught pants down for hours by that t10 blocking the mail slot. while streaming. in open.The lack of effective countermeasures? I don't know. Do you have inside knowledge of what goes on? How many they have banned? How good their detection is? I know from reading the cheat forum that some people have been banned within the last few months. Whether that was because FD spotted them, someone reported them, or whether they were just doing something incredibly stupid (like jumping 500 LY or whatever in 1 jump, i don't know).
You could, but you weren't.maybe i can convince someone they are being extreme and perhaps to discuss things in a more rational manner.