Notice A statement on cheating in Elite Dangerous.

Well, from my own experience as a hacker, saying "we shouldn't have to" makes me smile. There is no such thing as perfect hack prevention. You can get damn good protection, as i noted earlier, Easy is pretty good from what i hear and makes things difficult, but it also becomes a challenge. It stops the script kiddies and requires the real professional hackers to make the hacks that get around that. Now, if FD were to use Easy anti-cheat, it would most likely kill all the existing cheats, since as far as i know, they all use the same method. The question would then be, would one of the really good hackers step up and take on the challenge. For a really popular game like Fortnite, they do. For ED.... i suppose it all depends on whether any of them are interested.
Another strawman...

Regardless, if you think someone might be cheating, report them anyway. You won't always know, if a cheater is being circumspect, but if they are cheating in open, i question their ability to do that.
I rather report if I'm sure, innocent until proven otherwise.

Second part - no, i think he was being a drama llama.
Having widely available cheats in a competitive sector defeats its purpose, for some including him, it's a deal breaker, you just don't relate and call it drama.

Third part - wide availability? You mean 2 variants of the same cheat being made by 2 hackers? There might be another vairant in the wild, i'm not sure whether its a real hack or whether its a scam.
Wide availability in that it's easy to use and get away with it provided you aren't an idiot.

The lack of effective countermeasures? I don't know. Do you have inside knowledge of what goes on? How many they have banned? How good their detection is? I know from reading the cheat forum that some people have been banned within the last few months. Whether that was because FD spotted them, someone reported them, or whether they were just doing something incredibly stupid (like jumping 500 LY or whatever in 1 jump, i don't know).
They may have some countermeasures, they certainly aren't effective given the persistence of the same cheats...
 
You could, but you weren't.

I've never knowing been Clogged on and it probably wouldn't be very frustrating if they did but I recognise that it's something that should be handled by the game.

I have been opposed by people who have (proudly) cynically instance switched to farm materials for engineering, short-cutting past work I have done to reach the same level of defence & offence. It isn't very frustrating and I understand their motivation (principally because it's endemic behaviour) but I recognise that it's something that should be handled by the game.
I understand cheating is frustrating for those who have experienced it and i've never said otherwise.
 
Another strawman...



I rather report if I'm sure, innocent until proven otherwise.



Having widely available cheats in a competitive sector defeats its purpose, for some including him, it's a deal breaker, you just don't relate and call it drama.



Wide availability in that it's easy to use and get away with it provided you aren't an idiot.



They may have some countermeasures, they certainly aren't effective given the persistence of the same cheats...
Can you please say something constructive than just declaring my posts to be a strawman. That's twice now, without saying why its a strawman.

I agree cheats existing are a problem, i agree FD really need to do something about it and I hope they are. I agree that cheats are easily obtainable and easy to use, if you are inclined to cheat.

What i'm not doing is getting all hystical about it.
 
Cheating is a problem in most popular MP games and I have the impression that devs are pretty helpless. Apparently it's a problem in BF, the auto-anticheat doesnt discover as many. Reported cheaters dont get banned. All in all - it's become so rampant in big titles that it's also become a larger economical strain to manage and that is a thing many companies dont commit to because it hurts the baseline. The only conclusion I draw is to stay away from competitive AAA, find games that have moderators in servers, join a group, play more coop and SP.
 
The only conclusion I draw is to stay away from competitive AAA, find games that have moderators in servers, join a group, play more coop and SP.
indeed... it is a problem with PC MP gaming in general in my opinion and one which i think is not discussed enough in the console vs PC chat.
sure pc games have better eyecandy and often better peripheral support but (in general) at least on a console everyone has a level playing field and cheating is far less of an issue.

For Elite it does not bother me because, as you suggest i only play coop and single player (as much as you can do single player in ED)

however FDs insistance on pushing MP only content and which if past actions are to go by it is not that much of a stretch to think that the fleet carriers will have some form of competitive element to them so that looks likely to continue..

imo the bones of ED are best suited to a co-operative / or single player kind of game, however FD seem instant on building competitive MP focused gameplay on top of them, even if the foundations are not ideal for it.

Shame really because huge compromises have in my opinion clearly been made for this vision.
 
Can you please say something constructive than just declaring my posts to be a strawman. That's twice now, without saying why its a strawman.
I did state why it was a strawman previously, the second strawman is pretty much the same so I figured you'd realize...

I agree cheats existing are a problem, i agree FD really need to do something about it and I hope they are. I agree that cheats are easily obtainable and easy to use, if you are inclined to cheat.

What i'm not doing is getting all hystical about it.
There's hardly any hystery here...
 
I did state why it was a strawman previously, the second strawman is pretty much the same so I figured you'd realize...



There's hardly any hystery here...
Then its simply a case of my not understanding what you meant and not a strawman. I must admit, i had missed that part of the comment. Thank you for clarifying your meaning. Regardless, we don't know what FD are doing in terms of countermeasures, all we can see is that its not as effective as we would like. It doesn't mean they are not trying to do something about it (nor does it mean they are). As i said earlier i think, either you assume they are doing their best, in which case, hysterics don't help, or they are not, any hysterics won't help either.

Regardless, apocalypse is definitely hysteria in my books. You are of course free to disagree.
 
Then its simply a case of my not understanding what you meant and not a strawman. I must admit, i had missed that part of the comment. Thank you for clarifying your meaning. Regardless, we don't know what FD are doing in terms of countermeasures, all we can see is that its not as effective as we would like. It doesn't mean they are not trying to do something about it (nor does it mean they are). As i said earlier i think, either you assume they are doing their best, in which case, hysterics don't help, or they are not, any hysterics won't help either.

Regardless, apocalypse is definitely hysteria in my books. You are of course free to disagree.
That's the disagreement, if they aren't doing what they can to fix this and we don't say anything then they might think we don't mind much and simply ignore the issue. If they are doing what they can then they must be quite incompetent given the size of their company and the time passed.
 
That's the disagreement, if they aren't doing what they can to fix this and we don't say anything then they might think we don't mind much and simply ignore the issue. If they are doing what they can then they must be quite incompetent given the size of their company and the time passed.
Well, possibly. It might indeed be the case they are incompetent. In which case, live with it.
 
Fdev have know about cheating for 2yrs, this has ruined a good game in my opinion just so some get their jollies off feeding their egos in 1 sided combat customising their ships to infinity. Cancel their accounts full stop, no warnings, just permanent ban, we dont need players like that in a game full stop and that alone will send out a message to anybody wanting to use it even for a short time to receive the first lesser ban. There are many players who have spent lots of money and years climbing the ladder in this game only to get completely put off by the cheats. Protect your investment and the players investment in the game and permanent BAN.

What is it exactly your afraid of FDEV, by giving cheats 3 levels of bans. Players dont want cheats ruining games just BAN them for ever, you already have their money for their games anyway, whats your loss, I know players loose out and that has a financial investment too especially for promotion of the game.
 
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private and solo are the cheat
Nonsense. Know the game you are buying before buying. Open is simply a matchmaking filter in a game which was designed to play on your own if you want. As it stands right now all competitive parts in ED are competitive PvE. This is by design and is far from a cheat. IF you want to add in the chance of some competitive direct PvP then open is there or choose the right PG.
You may not like this design and feel a more direct PvP centric game would be more your cup of tea and that is fine, but many of us backed the game precisely because of that core design.

Personally I would be happy if open was simply not in the game and it was just single player or coop with friends like say L4D or payday.....but I would not ask for opens removal just because it does not interest me.
But open is included optionally to try to appeal to even more people. Not all players are the same. I hate eve precisely because other players are forced on me..... I backed SC despite knowing it would be like it is (indeed I am a little salty because a key feature I liked was the PvP slider........)
I am also salty that FD are imo reneging on their design. Before they conveniently removed the DDF archives (despite them reassuring me they would not) the game detailed had no support for ALL features with MP an optional extra. This design emphasis seems to have been totally changed
 
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