Allow use of pre 3.3 Advanced Discovery Scanner

-VR- Max Factor

-VR- Max Factor
DrewCarnegie said:
Only if you stretch the definition of minigame so far that handing in exploration data would also be considered a minigame.
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No it's not. How do you think Fdev are going to add new mechanics. It will be via a mini game. Even if the FSS and the DSS was built into the cockpit, it would still be a mini game. Just like the new mining is a mini-game.
 

Shinji Ikari

Shinji Ikari
Max Factor said:
That was not my response. Maybe you should actually read what I post.
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I would not like that and wouldn't want it in the game. That would devalue the game for me, just like multicrew does. So it would effect my enjoyment of the game as a whole in a negative way.
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That's not a reason, that's just your phobia to the ADS, I wanted to know the reason behind that and you simply replied with the premise itself, in short, a "just because".
 

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picommander said:
I want the local map as a result of some endeavors, call it a symbolic reward for a scientific effort or whatever you like. Doesn't matter whether you call the FSS a minigame and whether you like minigames or not. Fact is, that the presence of the old ADS functionality undermines this minigame
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If it gave you the map but no credits the FSS would still very much have a reason to exist and the explorer would still have the choice of zoom scanning or flying to the planet scanning. Back in the day you got paid for the system map reveal didnt you? With that reward removed, while i admit it would slightly impinge upon the FSS it wouldnt break anything.
 

Shinji Ikari

Shinji Ikari
picommander said:
I want the local map as a result of some endeavors, call it a symbolic reward for a scientific effort or whatever you like. Doesn't matter whether you call the FSS a minigame and whether you like minigames or not. Fact is, that the presence of the old ADS functionality undermines this minigame (what to me means some gameplay at least in contrary to zero gameplay by giving the local map away for free). The local map can hardly be perceived as reward anymore when it requires zero activity (until you consider the single push of a button an "activity"). That's why both systems coexisting at the same time is just absurd. I can barely accept the current state of free local maps in the bubble as a compromise but here already ends my tolerance.
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And what would prevent you from not putting an ADS and enjoying exploration as it is currently?
 

Skip Rockbounder

Skip Rockbounder
Max Factor said:
It would be if it was remotely relevant to what I was saying.

I have voiced my opinion and the reason why I have that opinion. If you don't like it, tough.
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Yeah, you have voiced your opinion... many times, in fact so many times it's getting so a man or woman can't mention the ADS without you bounding outta your kennel berating their post and the use of the ADS...
Really if you're that worried that ED might just pay attention to the players that have had their enjoyment reduced by the decision to introduce the Ronco all singing all dancing scanner then get to the bottom of it with customer services for assurance that under no circumstances will we be appeased.
 

Shinji Ikari

Shinji Ikari
Burke said:
If it gave you the map but no credits the FSS would still very much have a reason to exist and the explorer would still have the choice of zoom scanning or flying to the planet scanning. Back in the day you got paid for the system map reveal didnt you? With that reward removed, while i admit it would slightly impinge upon the FSS it wouldnt break anything.
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Credits are no problem for me, the ADS gave very few either way so I'd not opose the dissapearance of its rewards.
 

Burke

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I am noticing slowly slowly there is a trickle of new faces posting about how they wish the old exploration could come back. They arnt making much noise or multiple posts but they are there.
 

Shinji Ikari

Shinji Ikari
picommander said:
Since we now do have the FSS as a replacement (so decided by FDev, doesn't matter if some of you just decide that it was an oversight which I find pretty condescending and respectless btw).
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I personally do not think it was an oversight, but just because FD said it was for the best doesn't mean it was actually the best, in fact, that would be appealing to the authority.

you are the one who has to find a compelling reason why the old ADS functionality should be reintroduced and co-exist.
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Would there be players who would return or play more the game if the ADS was reintroduced? Yes.

Would there be players who would leave the game if the ADS was reintroduced? I don't think so, if they don't like it they can leave it where it was, on the ouffiting screen.

Is having more players good for the game? Yes, I don't think I have to explain why.

But not those who like the current implementation without the cheap gameplay negating old ADS function that has served as placeholder for way too long by now.
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We don't claim that the ADS is good gameplay, it's a door to good gameplay.
 

Shinji Ikari

Shinji Ikari
picommander said:
You know that's a blatant lie, don't you. Most FSS (in its current form) advocates are fine with an exclusive or solution, but not both on the same ship and at the same time. You are the one rejecting any form of compromise, not the others.
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And the key question is why. Once more, if you detest the ADS, fine, that's OK, if we were to have both available, you wouldn't have to deal with it if you don't want to.
 

Burke

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Place holder or not, the point is people liked it and enjoyed using it and it was the game that they paid for and used for years until out of the blue it was snatched away. That just isnt right no matter how it gets spun. To completely deny those people and act like they dont exist is seriously unbecoming.
 

Shinji Ikari

Shinji Ikari
picommander said:
So you would call in all seriousness a gameplay aspect that could be easily bypassed "by design" a satisfying solution? Am I really so old-school that it totally baffles me that you find this nonsense even remotely acceptable?
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You can "bypass" many kinds of gameplay already in ED so I don't see the problem.
 
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