That's the justification I've heard given for not banning the 5-1 cheats, just too many paying customers to kick. Maybe clogging is exactly the same.
No wonder cash exploits are so popular.
PvP An Investigation Into Frontier's Actions on Combat Logging, Part 2
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That's the justification I've heard given for not banning the 5-1 cheats, just too many paying customers to kick. Maybe clogging is exactly the same.
No wonder cash exploits are so popular.
How do you think that will work?
You suppose the SDC are going to pursue their usual routine for "exposing the flaw in the game" by quietly hammering the living poop out of it until it eventually becomes public knowledge and then make a big show of "revealing" that the flaw exists?
In this case, that'd mean continually combat logging in order to make their point.
At which point, 95% of the people playing ED (along with the developers) will continue to not give a toss about it.
I anticipate tremendous success.
Too bad I´m not even surprised.
Goose4291
Banned
As I said earlier, I don't think you can retroactively ban someone really for using exploits if at that stage the dev hasn't properly identified it as 'cheating', because until then, you're just playing the game.
Otherwise a lot of the C-log advocates would be first on the list of players next to go.
If so they should speak.
If you don't believe the facts, come out in Open Play and experience this by yourself.
We'll wait..
How about we agree to ban them all as the filthy cheaters they are? Both the Cl's and the 5in1 guys, perma ban the lot of them.
I already play on open, but thanks for the invite.
I live in a lovely house in the country and when my connections bad I get kicked about once every 15 to 20 minutes.
You paid for them.
Goose4291
Banned
I think thats the problem. When you label exploiters as cheating, where does the ban list stop?
Because I'm fairly sure a high percentage of Elite players have exploited the game and played in a manner that wasn't intended.
That's sort of the point, we either ban all of them or none of them, we cant cherry pick which 'cheaters' are the worst.
Up to 19 pages of post & conjecture in 7 hours without a single response by FDev.
Any response to this thread by FDev would be similarly unwise. There is no way to control the narrative with the two warring camps. - those that think FDev have done wrong and those that think SDC have done wrong.
My opinion - FDev should not publicly respond, showing what investigative tools they do or do not have. The whole post smells of a phishing scam to work out what can be done to circumvent the rules.
There is a simple answer to the people who combat log, don’t it cheapens your game experience and ultimately reduces YOUR enjoyment of the game. Everyone play like the adults that you are meant to be and then open would be much more populated.
I don’t want FDev spending every minute under the sun fixing loop holes, exploits and anomalies in the codebase at the expense of delivering new content. I consider myself a grown-up and if, after buying the game, I am advised by the developer not to do certain things because it causes problems with the game, then I don’t.
Why can’t everyone else?
Any response to this thread by FDev would be similarly unwise. There is no way to control the narrative with the two warring camps. - those that think FDev have done wrong and those that think SDC have done wrong.
My opinion - FDev should not publicly respond, showing what investigative tools they do or do not have. The whole post smells of a phishing scam to work out what can be done to circumvent the rules.
There is a simple answer to the people who combat log, don’t it cheapens your game experience and ultimately reduces YOUR enjoyment of the game. Everyone play like the adults that you are meant to be and then open would be much more populated.
I don’t want FDev spending every minute under the sun fixing loop holes, exploits and anomalies in the codebase at the expense of delivering new content. I consider myself a grown-up and if, after buying the game, I am advised by the developer not to do certain things because it causes problems with the game, then I don’t.
Why can’t everyone else?
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It's not science but it isn't needed to raise suspicion. This is a game, not academia.
Nobodies actually advocating clogging, and if they did it would only be against forum rules not in game ones. So it's not really bannable.
I couldn't care less if they do retrospective bans on actual cheats, they've already ID'd them so just have at it. The problem being they can't reliably identify clogging so if they want to set an example the 5-1'ers are the logical starting point (and probably clog as well).
Also continuing to equate the 5in1 cheat to the plethora of other 'exploits' around, eg passenger mission stacking to 1mill+ LS stations is not comparable. Most 'exploits' are anomalies thrown up in the code which occasionally , under certain circumstances allow huge profits to be made, but all done using 'normal' game mechanics.
The 5in1 cheat required a specific action , within a very limited time window to 'trick' the game into giving you a under-priced roll; in no way could any user of considered that normal game play.
The 5in1 cheat required a specific action , within a very limited time window to 'trick' the game into giving you a under-priced roll; in no way could any user of considered that normal game play.
Goose4291
Banned
I think you'll find, that this used to exactly happen on this forum until FDev were harangued by people into making a decision on the matter (as to whether it was cheating or not) one or two of the mods even used to champion it.
The problem is, what happens tomorrow if something you have done in the past (literally anything, given how broken ED is as a multiplayer game) moves from the 'exploit' to 'cheat' catergory? Would you take your ban on the chin?
Then play in solo.
Goose4291
Banned
Absolute nonsense.
Mission Stacking required a specific action (i.e. switching instances) to give you multiples of the same mission, which could be completed with the same 'kill points' (so 10 missions requiring 10 kills each would complete after the initial 10 kills).
The 1t Transaction exploit required a specific action (i.e. selling each tonne individually) to affect the BGS multiple times.
The Slave smuggling exploit required a specific action (i.e. failing a mission on purpose) to land you with a cargo hold full of slaves which you then sold on the black market at the same station.
Combat Logging requires a specific action (i.e disconnecting from the game) to get you out of a fight/scan/situation for whatever reason
Every exploit requires you as an individual to take a specific action to initiate it. It's cheating whichever way you butter it up.
I didn't pay enough to waste months worrying about something so inconsequential.