Analyzing required animals by Taxonomical group

SuzieSky

SuzieSky
yoav_r said:
Also, what are your opinions on the state of masupials as a whole in the game?
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Forgot to answer this part.

Obviously a tree kangaroo is needed. It is a very highly requested animal. After that, most of the options are tiny or something resembling a kangaroo. Personally, I would be satisfied with just the tree kangaroo. However, I know there are quite a few players from Australia who would want/need more, and there are still some options that I like. For tiny marsupials, the main set I've heard people talking about are the bilby, brushtail possum, numbat, quoll, and cuscus. About 3 of them would be great to have. The greater bilby, aka the Australian Easter bunny, seems culturally and conservationally significant, so it would be a strong pick. The brushtail possum has a bright yellow color morph that looks like pikachu, and it is a popular "backyard buddy" animal for Australia, from what I've heard. Numbats, quolls, and cuscuses also seem cool, so I would not mind their inclusion either. For macropods other than the tree kangaroo, the yellow footed rock wallaby is visually distinct and would add an arid wallaby. It has decent support, and I think it would be a great addition. I would be completely satisfied with just that one, but there is also some demand for the grey kangaroo for a temperate kangaroo. I think it would be an ok but kind of boring addition. After a fourth kangaroo/wallaby, I will be out of patience for further clones, and support would have to go on for quite a while for me to feel remotely excited about another one.
 

jcp011c

jcp011c
With two marsupials added in, including a carnivorous one, I think we're probably set - that gives us 6 marsupials. I'm honestly feeling like the Tree Kangaroo has about an even chance of making it in or not making it in. We now have 14 animals for Oceania overall and I feel like that's a strong enough number for representation (feel free to disagree)

I should note, it's not that I don't want a Tree Kangaroo. It's actually my third most wanted mammal now. I just don't see it as a very likely inclusion.
 

Fallax

Fallax
Ratites: Rhea is still 100% needed I think, extremely important for South America especially Patagonia and the grassland areas. I'd love a tinamou as well.
Penguins: Don't need anymore really, I'd like to see rockhopper/macaroni and humboldt but I think with three we are good.
Dasyuromorphs: Tassie was the only necessary one, I'd like to see a quoll but it isn't needed.
Macropods: I think we are pretty good here but I'd still like to see more: Goodfellow's Tree Kangaroo, Yellow-Footed Rock Wallaby, Eastern Grey Kangaroo, and Dusky Pademelon would all be good additions that fill different niches.
Bats: Still need a small bat (to ideally mix with the larger species) like Seba's Short-Tailed Bat. I'd be cool with another fruit bat but definitely not needed.
 

synthetase

synthetase
yoav_r said:
Happy Oceania Pack everyone!!!

What are your thoughts on the following groups:
  • Ratites - kiwi
  • Penguins - little blue penguin
  • Dasyuromorphs (marsupial carnivores) - Tasmanian devil
  • Macropods - Quokka
  • Bats - spectacled flying fox
Also, what are your opinions on the state of masupials as a whole in the game?
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  • Ratites: the Rhea would be nice to have at some point. With that there is not any need for another one.
  • Penguins: Done
  • Dasyuromorphs: Done
  • Macropods: Tree Kangaroo would be nice.
  • Bats: A microbat would be nice.
I think we are good with the groups in this DLC. There is stuff that could be added but it doesn't need to be added.
For marsupials I have the very unpopular opinion of Virginia Opossum. It is North America's marsupial and I think it looks cool.
 

KönigDerKaffeebohnen

K
yoav_r said:
Happy Oceania Pack everyone!!!

What are your thoughts on the following groups:
  • Ratites - kiwi
  • Penguins - little blue penguin
  • Dasyuromorphs (marsupial carnivores) - Tasmanian devil
  • Macropods - Quokka
  • Bats - spectacled flying fox
Also, what are your opinions on the state of masupials as a whole in the game?
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Not much changed honestly
Ratites still need the rhea but can be considerd okay, penguins where fine before and are super fine now, we still need more macropods, we still need a large flying fox eventhough the spectacle was a welcome surprise as they are not only beautiful but also very distinct looking, finally having a marsupial carnivore is great, id still like a quool and marsupials qs a hole are....fine.
Its passable.
I wouldnt call it good, but its not bad anymore either so thats a huge step.
 

biggest_dreamer

biggest_dreamer
yoav_r said:
Happy Oceania Pack everyone!!!

What are your thoughts on the following groups:
  • Ratites - kiwi
  • Penguins - little blue penguin
  • Dasyuromorphs (marsupial carnivores) - Tasmanian devil
  • Macropods - Quokka
  • Bats - spectacled flying fox
Also, what are your opinions on the state of masupials as a whole in the game?
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  • Ratites - 0 reason to not complete the set. We need the greater rhea now more than ever.
  • Bats - In a vacuum I'd be fine if these kept coming, but have no specific species in mind. But given how little DLC I expect is still to come, I have other priorities for exhibit species.
  • Penguins - The little blue penguin isn't great, in my opinion. It managed to sidestep both of the factors I was hoping for in our next penguin - ideally a crested species, but an Antarctic species would've been fine too. Now we're still left with those gaps in the lineup, and they'd require us adding a fourth penguin to fill either. I don't think that's justifiable given my expectations for how long support lasts, so we're probably just going to be left with those holes.
  • Non-macropod marsupials are perfectly fine now. The Tasmanian devil was never an essential species in my eyes, but it was the best choice of all non-macropod marsupials, and it's still probably better that we have it than not. As for macropods, a tree kangaroo species's absence (personal preference: Matschie's) is really palpable now given how fleshed out our Oceanian roster has gotten. Absolutely essential inclusion, regardless of the number of terrestrial macropods on the roster, even though I have my doubts at this point. The quokka leaves me feeling similar to the little blue penguin, though - we could've used a third penguin/terrestrial macropod, the one we wound up getting is niche and personally very dissatisfying, and now I can't really justify adding a fourth unless support runs through the entirety of 2024 - and I'm not convinced it'll enter 2024 at all. I think the yellow-footed rock wallaby would've been our better third terrestrial macropod, but it's not a huge priority, especially now.
 

yoav_r

yoav_r
Just wandering, how common is the tree kangaroo in north american zoos? Seeing how they are pretty rare in europe.
 

becks474

B
I mean we have now nearly every Ratites. Now I really would also Like to see the SA member of the Family. In case of marsupials the Tree Kangaroo is still needed in my opinion and perhaps the Quoll would be an interesting Out of nowhere Integration.
 

biggest_dreamer

biggest_dreamer
yoav_r said:
Just wandering, how common is the tree kangaroo in north american zoos? Seeing how they are pretty rare in europe.
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They aren't super common, but I would still be mildly surprised to find out they aren't the third most common Australian marsupial in North American zoos.

I could have sworn there was a thread on all of NA's marsupials on Zoochat, but I can't for the life of me find it now. Like, I distinctly remember reading that there was 1 holder of common wombat (SDZ) and comparing the red/gray kangaroo populations when one of the Australian users on this forum insisted that grays would be the more common ones in the US, and seeing listings for all of the less common wallabies. Now all I can find are the individual lists for koalas and Matschie's tree kangaroos. What on earth happened to this thread? Am I losing my mind?
 

biggest_dreamer

biggest_dreamer
Oh, duh. I was looking at the NA General forum where the vast majority of species lists go, but this was in the US forum. I thought I'd checked there but obviously not. Thanks.
 

FortressDoor

F
yoav_r said:
Just wandering, how common is the tree kangaroo in north american zoos? Seeing how they are pretty rare in europe.
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I've seen them in a few places, think they have way more presence here than any of the animals in the Oceania pack, but I'm not sure how many have the Tasmanian devil.
 

biggest_dreamer

biggest_dreamer
And turns out I was wrong about tree kangaroos being third, a couple times over, but it's still close. Looks like they're (17) just edged out by eastern grey kangaroos (24), brush-tailed bettongs (23), and most surprisingly to me the common wallaroo (22) and tammar wallaby (20)... and then, of course, the sugar glider (71), which I didn't even consider.
 

Veah

Veah
biggest_dreamer said:
And turns out I was wrong about tree kangaroos being third, a couple times over, but it's still close. Looks like they're (17) just edged out by eastern grey kangaroos (24), brush-tailed bettongs (23), and most surprisingly to me the common wallaroo (22) and tammar wallaby (20)... and then, of course, the sugar glider (71), which I didn't even consider.
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Less than 17 zoos with red kangaroos or red-necked wallabies? Wow!
 

yoav_r

yoav_r
yoav_r said:
Happy Oceania Pack everyone!!!

What are your thoughts on the following groups:
  • Ratites - kiwi
  • Penguins - little blue penguin
  • Dasyuromorphs (marsupial carnivores) - Tasmanian devil
  • Macropods - Quokka
  • Bats - spectacled flying fox
Also, what are your opinions on the state of masupials as a whole in the game?
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Any last takes before I update the main post?
 

FoxyDee

FoxyDee
yoav_r said:
Any last takes before I update the main post?
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Ratites: Not essential, but a Rhea would be a good addition.
Penguins: I am good in this regard, but if there would be another penguin, it should be Rockhopper for the crest.
Dasyuromorphs: I think we got the most essential animal in this regards, quolls are nice, but not really needed for me.
Macropods: I think we still need the Tree Kangaroo, as it is a really unique representative. Yellow-footed Rock Wallaby would be nice, but not really essential.
Bats: I am ok with what we got, if any other bat would be added, I would vote for the Vampire Bat as it is really different from the herbivous bats we have.
 
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