Analyzing required animals by Taxonomical group

[yoav_r]

Okay I added the animal to the main post. Notable points and conclusions:

1. Based on previous requests, the following groups got all their major requests, and are now likely complete by most users' standards:
   • Bovines
   • Suines
   • Equines
2. Our number of caprines has risen impressively in the last two packs from 2 to 5
3. We now have 4 camelids out of 6 species, yet the formerly highly requested wild south american camelid category is still vacant
4. We got our second fowl since base game.

So drawing from these conclusions, I have several questions:

1. Are you still interested in the incluion of a wild south american camelid (Vicuna, Guanaco)?
2. Which caprines are you still interested in, if any? How urgnet do you think is the need for more caprines?
3. How much needed, and which species of fowl are you still interested in?

 

[DarthQuell]

Are you still interested in the incluion of a wild south american camelid (Vicuna, Guanaco)?

I'm gonna say yes. Why? The alpaca and llama are nice, but they fill the same role. The vicuña and guanaco are not at all represented in the game, so they should be considered, at the very least

Which caprines are you still interested in, if any? How urgnet do you think is the need for more caprines?

I'm only interested in more sheep, to be honest. The only goat I'd accept at this point is the pygmy goat

How much needed, and which species of fowl are you interested in?

Of course. I'd love for red junglefowl to appear in the game. It's not only a pretty bird, but they would actually add an interesting option for areas like India and southeast Asia

 

[yoav_r]

I'm only interested in more sheep, to be honest. The only goat I'd accept at this point is the pygmy goat

What's the line between a goat and a sheep?

 

[Marvinb]

Are you still interested in the incluion of a wild south american camelid (Vicuna, Guanaco)?

Its not something im super interested in so it definetly depends on how much support there is for me.

Which caprines are you still interested in, if any? How urgnet do you think is the need for more caprines?

Aoudad and a more sterotypical himalayan one like tahr or markhor do still have something to offer, but as above it greatly depends on how many spot we have.
Urgent? Not at all, im kinda fed up with ungulates in general, so i definetly dont have any dire need for one.

How much needed, and which species of fowl are you interested in?

I think there should be atleast another wild one. A pheasant and guineafowl are the main ones i want to see in game, western capercallie would be a neat addition to europe but no high prio, occelated turkey and curasow would provide a unique bird for SA but in the state SA is in its hard to justify their inclusion.

 

[DarthQuell]

What's the line between a goat and a sheep?

Well, we have 2 sheep in-game, the dall sheep and the Hill Radnor sheep. One's domestic, the other wild, yet they both kinda represent colder areas.
I'd love to see a more arid species of sheep. The Barbary sheep is nice, also the bighorn sheep. Either one would be good for me

 

[synthetase]

Are you still interested in the incluion of a wild south american camelid (Vicuna, Guanaco)?

No thank you. OK actually maybe a little. Guanaco is kept in zoos and it doesn't look too much like ANY colormorph of the llama.

Which caprines are you still interested in, if any? How urgnet do you think is the need for more caprines?

• Barbary Sheep OR Desert Bighorn Sheep OR Even an Arabian Tahr (it is the most "urgent" since it is a hot weather version!)
• Japanese Serow (the rest are just what I like to see)
• Mouflon
• Some sheep breed(s) that looks different to the Hill Radnor Sheep
• More smaller Goat breed(s)
• Maybe Mountain Goat??

How much needed, and which species of fowl are you still interested in?

• Sumatran Chicken
• Silky Chicken
• Wild Turkey
• Guineafowl
• Golden Pheasant
• Common Pheasant

I think the chicken breeds look cool. I like the Wild Turkey since its so significant to us Americans. Guineafowl is good for being so common in zoos. A pheasant(s) however is most needed.

 

[synthetase]

I'd love to see a more arid species of sheep.

Agreed!

 

[Marvinb]

What's the line between a goat and a sheep?

I dont think there really is one. I think scientifically true sheeps are everything thats in the ovis genus and true goats are everything in the capra genus. But there are mutliple animals sprinkled around the entire caprid family having something with -sheep and -goat in their common name all willy nilly, like the barbary sheep or mountain goat. Neither of which are genus ovis or capra

 

[SuzieSky]

So drawing from these conclusions, I have several questions:

1. Are you still interested in the incluion of a wild south american camelid (Vicuna, Guanaco)?
2. Which caprines are you still interested in, if any? How urgnet do you think is the need for more caprines?
3. How much needed, and which species of fowl are you still interested in?

1. No, not really. South America needs stuff, but mostly it needs primates, birds, and some unique small mammals. I can use the domestic ones in place of the wild counterparts.
2. Eventually, I think more caprines are needed, but I would definitely prioritize primates, birds, and a decent South America roster over more ungulates. This group contains some of the best options for hoofstock, but I would like a break from them until those other groups catch up. The Markhor is a pretty iconic and popular one from a part of the world that doesn't have much stuff right now. It also has a history in both ZT games. That is definitely my first choice. As others have mentioned, at least one arid sheep would be good. My top choice would be the bighorn sheep, which would also give the Rocky Mountains an iconic ungulate. Musk ox are so popular that they could be considered essential, too, but I don't think they're as necessary. Beyond those, a tahr, serow, and Auodad would be nice, but I would not call them essential.
3. For pheasants/fowl, I think there are a few that would be awesome additions. Asia's got some colorful ones, and 1-2 of those (golden and perhaps silver pheasant) would be nice. The wild turkey would give North America its first bird, and an iconic, wide-ranging one at that. It could also work nicely in a barnyard section. These are near the top of my bird wishes, just behind ~3 regional picks (rhea, Caribbean bird, and Grey-crowned crane/secretary bird) and 2 animation sets/rigs (duck and pelican).

 

[FoxyDee]

1. Are you still interested in the incluion of a wild south american camelid (Vicuna, Guanaco)?
2. Which caprines are you still interested in, if any? How urgnet do you think is the need for more caprines?
3. How much needed, and which species of fowl are you still interested in?

1. I would not mind a Guanaco, but it is no way a priority for me.
2. Markhor is the only caprine I an still interested in.
3. I think another fowl would be excellent. Helmeted Guineafowl would do wonders and an Asian pheasant species would also be very welcomed, my favourites are Golden Pheasant and Himalayan Monal.

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

Okay I added the animal to the main post. Notable points and conclusions:

1. Based on previous requests, the following groups got all their major requests, and are now likely complete by most users' standards:
   • Bovines
   • Suines
   • Equines
2. Our number of caprines has risen impressively in the last two packs from 2 to 5
3. We now have 4 camelids out of 6 species, yet the formerly highly requested wild south american camelid category is still vacant
4. We got our second fowl since base game.

So drawing from these conclusions, I have several questions:

1. Are you still interested in the incluion of a wild south american camelid (Vicuna, Guanaco)?
2. Which caprines are you still interested in, if any? How urgnet do you think is the need for more caprines?
3. How much needed, and which species of fowl are you still interested in?

1. Im not interested in a wild camelid, but i also wouldnt hate it. Joins the ocelot as an animal i dont want but came to peace with as a very likly inclusion

2. Its not urgent, but the barbary sheep and a himalayan goat like markhor or thar are still great and wanted inclusions.
A tier below, while i dont need them i would still like african dwarf goat, chamois and rocky mountain goat. If the nightmare called NA pack 4 happens it will better bring that goat.
Even below those is the musk ox, which on paper is a near perfect addition, im just personally not interested in them

3. 3+ Pheasents would be nice, with common, golden and satyr targopan being my choices

 

[NachoB]

1. Don't need wild camelids tbh. They are not a priority at all. But out of the two remaining i prefer the vicuña even though the guanaco would be more useful to me but at least the vicuña looks different from the other camelids we have and is endangered. But it would be weird to leave just one camelid species out of the game so i don't think either is likely at this point.
2. Musk ox and markhor are the caprids i still want for the game. I think the aoudad could be interesting as well but i prefer the other 2.
3. Golden pheasant, cappercaillie, wild turkey and helmeted guineafowl. Asia, Europe, NA and Africa. The four most iconic wild fowls. Add a curassow for SA and get one for each continent. But really out of those a pheasant and the guineafowls would be the most useful really.

 

[TheHippoGirl]

1. No.
2. No essential caprine left for me. But, as an ungulate lover, I would always welcome more of them. Would especially like chamois and mountain goat.
3. I think we need the helmeted guineafowl and the golden pheasant. Wild turkey would also be a nice addition.

 

[nutrit]

Okay I added the animal to the main post. Notable points and conclusions:

1. Based on previous requests, the following groups got all their major requests, and are now likely complete by most users' standards:
   • Bovines
   • Suines
   • Equines
2. Our number of caprines has risen impressively in the last two packs from 2 to 5
3. We now have 4 camelids out of 6 species, yet the formerly highly requested wild south american camelid category is still vacant
4. We got our second fowl since base game.

So drawing from these conclusions, I have several questions:

1. Are you still interested in the incluion of a wild south american camelid (Vicuna, Guanaco)?
2. Which caprines are you still interested in, if any? How urgnet do you think is the need for more caprines?
3. How much needed, and which species of fowl are you still interested in?

1. Yes I am sill very interested in wild camelid from SA. I would be super happy with the inclusion of guanaco or vicuña although right now chances for that are super thin.
2. Musk ox, Markhor, Barbary sheep.
3. Great Argus pheasant, Reeves pheasant, Guinea fowl, wild Turkey.

 

[Fallax]

Okay I added the animal to the main post. Notable points and conclusions:

1. Based on previous requests, the following groups got all their major requests, and are now likely complete by most users' standards:
   • Bovines
   • Suines
   • Equines
2. Our number of caprines has risen impressively in the last two packs from 2 to 5
3. We now have 4 camelids out of 6 species, yet the formerly highly requested wild south american camelid category is still vacant
4. We got our second fowl since base game.

So drawing from these conclusions, I have several questions:

1. Are you still interested in the incluion of a wild south american camelid (Vicuna, Guanaco)?
2. Which caprines are you still interested in, if any? How urgnet do you think is the need for more caprines?
3. How much needed, and which species of fowl are you still interested in?

1. Yes, I think they fill a different niche to the others which to me feel more like farm animals. I'd love to see either of them make it in
2. I really need the Barbary sheep, we still have 0 caprine from a warm climate and this is such a common animal that would work well in so many scenarios. Other options like muskox are also nice but the Barbary sheep is the only one I feel like is really "missing".
3. Oh we still need soooo many, turkey, guineafowl, more pheasants, more pheasants, more pheasants....

 

[DarkTemplar]

Mammals
For the squirrels, some Flying Squirrels can be considered as nice additions for WTE species, candidates include Red-and-white Giant or Southern

The Giant armadillo has been brought up as a charismatic large armadillo, but is not found in zoos

There are 4 facilities currently hold Giant Armadillos but all of them in South America

The Japanese Serow has been mentioned as a japanese representative and a ZT1 animal, but is not found in zoos outside its range

Three Canadian zoos hold Japanese Serows

Chevrotains or Mouse deers are also brought up by few people, and the leading candidate is Javan

Aves
Otididae the family of the Bustards, although not widely demanded, still be mentioned as candidates somehow. They don't require the flying mechanism to be set into the game. The leading candidate is either Kori or Great, Kori is more common in captivities, while Great can be used in more diverse themes.
Another family that is even more niche than Otididae while still can be added to the game without the flying mechanism, is Eurypygiformes, which includes only two species: Kagu and Sunbittern. Kagu is rare but Sunbittern is fairly common in the captivities.

Reptiles:
The Pig-nosed Turtle is not the sole candidate for the Softshell turtle mentioned in the forum, there are few demands of Indian Narrow-headed, Chinese and Yangtze Giant
For the Side-necked Turtles, some species other than Mata Mata are also mentioned as candidates, like Roti Island Snake-necked or Australian.

Amphibians:
For the True Toads, the Colorado River Toad can be a candidate, they are common in captivity and well known for their toxin that causes hallucination. The Harlequin Toad can be substitute of Panamanian Golden Frog as another critically endangered tiny true toad with various colors.

 

[yoav_r]

Aves
Otididae the family of the Bustards, although not widely demanded, still be mentioned as candidates somehow. They don't require the flying mechanism to be set into the game. The leading candidate is either Kori or Great, Kori is more common in captivities, while Great can be used in more diverse themes.
Another family that is even more niche than Otididae while still can be added to the game without the flying mechanism, is Eurypygiformes, which includes only two species: Kagu and Sunbittern. Kagu is rare but Sunbittern is fairly common in the captivities

Okay fine, we're at end of development anyway. Do you guys want to do all the bird families we skipped last round? So Frontier could use for a refernce in Planet Zoo 2 with aviaries and whatnot.

 

[Eletan888]

So drawing from these conclusions, I have several questions:

1. Are you still interested in the incluion of a wild south american camelid (Vicuna, Guanaco)?
2. Which caprines are you still interested in, if any? How urgnet do you think is the need for more caprines?
3. How much needed, and which species of fowl are you still interested in?

1. I'm honestly good on camelids. There are many other South American animals and hoofstock that I want more than the vicuna or guanaco.
2. I wouldn't say the need for caprines is urgent, but I still really want the markhor and musk ox.
3. Golden pheasant is the only one that's essential to me.

 

[NachoB]

Oops never mind wrong topic haha

 

[biggest_dreamer]

So drawing from these conclusions, I have several questions:

1. Are you still interested in the incluion of a wild south american camelid (Vicuna, Guanaco)?
2. Which caprines are you still interested in, if any? How urgnet do you think is the need for more caprines?
3. How much needed, and which species of fowl are you still interested in?

1. No, but to be fair I never had any interest in either. Unpopular opinion, but if we had to get two SA camelids, I think Frontier made the right choice.
2. Aoudad, markhor, and Japanese serow are all welcome, but far from urgent. Markhor is perhaps the most iconic (particularly from a zoo game standpoint), but i think the aoudad (despite being another African ungulate) or serow would add more diversity.
3. Galliformes are a bit of a tough one. We're definitely at the point where I think it's unreasonable to expect more than one at absolute most, but I would love to get the wild (or domestic) turkey, helmeted guineafowl, and at least one pheasant. Golden pheasant is the obvious choice there, but realistically you could pile on two or three (common, silver, maybe Lady Amherst's but it actually now looks slightly visually redundant with the chicken lol) and I'd be happy. I'd also be happy with a quail or curassow species. There's still a lot of room to spread out here, and it's so unfortunate that the devs are only just now getting "serious" (okay maybe not "serious", but at least more consistent) with the non-aviary birds so many of us have presented as a semi-acceptable consolation for so many years now. In short, as I believe I said in my original post-Barnyard reveal post ITT, keep em coming.