Analyzing required animals by Taxonomical group

Old world monkeys:
I would say that we need at least four monkeys from each region where multiple primate species live (Asia, Africa and Latin America); that means two Asian and three African monkeys are, in my view, essential. My choices would be:

For Asia
1. A tropical macaque - I would go for the lion-tailed macaque, partly because of how different it looks from any other primate in-game but also because they are present in captivity and would add an endemic Indian species to the game.
2. A more common langur - I would personally pick the dusky leaf monkey, as it has a wide continental representation (kept in zoos in Europe, America, Asia and Australia) and is threatened in its native range.

For Africa
1. Grivet monkey - One of the most common primates in zoos that would serve as an African equivalent to the capuchin monkey - a small, highly-social primate that serves as the sort of monkey a relatively newly-opened zoo would get. They would be a good representative of the savannah biome.
2. De Brazza's guenon - A semi-aquatic, colourful and commonly-kept wetland monkey that ranges quite widely across East and Central Africa; they are able to be kept in mixed enclosures with a variety of other tropical species.
3. A baboon or baboon-like monkey - I would go for a species that can represent habitats other than savannah or forest; the gelada is top of my list, but I would also love the Guinea baboon, which is the smallest and rarest of the true baboons, richly-coloured, highly sociable and representative of far Western Africa (Gambia, Senegal etc.), including parts of the Sahara Desert. Both are kept in both European and North American zoos.

This isn't even getting into others that would either add realism but do less for me personally (like the mantled guereza) or that I would love but are not as commonly-kept (the golden-bellied mangabey fits into this category).

Insectivora:
It's difficult to say any species is necessary, although I have seen the West European hedgehog kept in a large open-topped outdoor enclosure before. They are slightly shorter in length than a meerkat, but are much more rotund and heavier, so they could fit. They are very charismatic animals (in a poll to find Britain's favourite mammal, the hedgehog received more than double the votes of second place, the red fox), but they are not that commonly-kept.
I'd love for things like shrews, sengis and tree shrews to come as well, but uncertainty of how they would actually work makes me cautious about recommending them.

Skinks and true lizards (Lacertoidae):
Because skinks are the biggest group of lizards, I feel a few more species would definitely be justified. I would definitely love the monkey-tailed skink, which lives in social groups and carry their young around on their backs like monkeys. They would also serve as good Solomon Islands representation. I'd also like to see the Peter's banded skink and fire skink, which are found in the deserts and rainforests of Africa respectively. The latter are brightly-coloured while the former are a sociable species. But these are personal wants, rather than things without which the game would feel incomplete.

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As for true lizards, I would love the ocellated lizard, one of the biggest reptiles in Europe, but can also accept that they are not an absolute requirement. They are actually kept in some pretty large outdoor enclosures - seeing them included as a habitat species would be kind of fun, but also would make the iguanas stand out like a sore thumb.

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Caecelians:
Never really considered the caecilians before, but now that I think of it I have seen one species in a zoo - the Rio Cauca caecilian, also called the aquatic caecilian or rubber eel. It would add another fully-aquatic amphibian to the game, which are sociable and actually quite common in zoos (Zootierliste records 32 European zoos as keeping them). I think they'd be lovely to have, but again are probably not necessary.

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Caecelians:
Never really considered the caecilians before, but now that I think of it I have seen one species in a zoo - the Rio Cauca caecilian, also called the aquatic caecilian or rubber eel. It would add another fully-aquatic amphibian to the game, which are sociable and actually quite common in zoos (Zootierliste records 32 European zoos as keeping them). I think they'd be lovely to have, but again are probably not necessary.

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Finally some love for the caecelians. I don't consider them essential by any means but I'd kove to get these huge worms with razor sharp teeth.
 
And here we are in the last conventional discussion!

Discussion #15: Old world monkeys, Insectivora*, skinks and true lizards, Caecelians

What we have:

Old world monkeys:
  1. Japanese Macaque
  2. Mandrill
  3. Proboscis monkey

Insectivora*:
None

Skinks and true lizards (Lacertoidae):
  1. Eastern blue-tongued lizard

Caecelians:
None

Explain what you think is still needed from the aforementioned groups, and give your reasoning as to why. Take into account that slots in the roster are not unlimited, so try to keep the discussion realistic.

*Insectivora has been retired as a taxonomic group, but for the simplification of discussion we'll discuss all its former sub-groups together, which include: hedgehogs, shrews, moles, tenrecs, elephant-shrews, tree-shrews, colugos plus a few others
Caelians and Insectivora:
Not here, not interested in them as they actually would be what id call to small for habitat animals. I highly doubt we will ever get something the size of a mice.
The exception here for possibility would be the tailless tenrec, a madagascan chonky hedgehog crossed with a possum looking creature found in 8 eaza zoos. There size of up to 40 cm would make them viable, but due to their rareness and rather dull looks im only mentioning them for the sake of it. Its an okay animal and would be interesting for madagascar areas, but really nothing special and as far away from essential as possible without being an activly bad inclusion.
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True Lizards:
People said it before me but a tegu is a south american crossbreed of a monitor lizard and a dalmatian and theyd be a great inclusion to both represent non tropical south america.
An all around good addition to our lacking reptile roster.

Old World Monkeys:
The big one.
Old work monkeys can be split into 4 groups for the purposes of building a zoo.:
Baboons (none in the game)
Guenons, Mangabeys and Colobini (mandrill)
Langurs (proboscis monkey)
Macaques (japanese macaque)
With the first 2 being from africa and the later from asia.
Long story short, each of these 4 groups should have atleast one more member, with each of them having atleast 2 good candidates i want to mention:

Baboons:
Hamadryas Baboon:
Most common baboon in captivity that represents the middle east and north east africa. They have the advantage of being a great candidate for a desert pack, but the downside of being phased out of captivity in favor of more endangerd baboons.
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Gelada:
A very unique looking baboon from the ehtyopien highlands and the only mostly herbiverous baboon. Their impressive looks and rising captive presence as the nr 1 species the hamadryas baboons are swapped out for make them the pick for the future, especally combined with their possible presence in a mountainous pack.
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Both Baboons could exist next to each other as both dont face alot of competition in there packs, but id expect to only get one depending on which one of these 2 biomes will recieve a pack next year.


Guenons, Mangabeys and Colobini:
De Brazzas Guenon:
African small wetlands monkey with a very unique face and social structure as they only tolerate their mates, children and colobini monkeys. They enjoy added flexibility from their ability to swim and aquatic biome.
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Mantled Guereza:
The most famous and wide spread colobini in both range and captivity they would be a good choice to represent central african rainforest, tree savanahs and even dry mountain forests.
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Both of these could easily exist side by side in a dlc, but sadly both of their best bets would be a rainforest animal pack so the chance to get 2 african primates among 7 animals is quite slim. Personally id rather see the guenon for its added uniqueness among monkeys do to their social structure but you couldnt go wrong with either one.
While a Mangabey would be nice, i dont see them as anywhere near as essential as representation for the guenos and colobini as they are much rarer in captivity and would activly compete with them for the african monkey slot.


Langurs:
Javan Langur:
The most common langur in the EAZA mainly differentiates itself by having two major colormorphs, a black and an orange variant with orange being the color of all juveniles and only rarely found among adults. This makes them a very attractive choice as theyd easily be able to be kept as 2 "different" monkeys for the price of one and could come in an islands pack.
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Gray Langur: Propaply the most iconic species of langurs, the gray langurs main advantage is flexibility. Living everywhere in continental SEA and sri lanka, they are found in grasslands, citys, deserts, tropical rainforests and the many kinds of temperate and boreal forests of the southern himalaya, making them a species that could easily be the surprise inclusion in most future packs, something im sure we all would love to see.
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For the langurs while both are great options, they luckily are a less black and white case as the other 2 groups, as the gray langur could pop up everywhere from a mountain to a urban pack, even being one of the few primate candidates for a temperate pack (aka its time to reajust that temperate animal pack thread with this new information.
The javan langur on the other hand really is dependent on the islands pack being an animal one, as its unlikly to make an appearance in such a crowded pack otherwise.
Macaques:

Sulawesi Crested Macaque:
A very unique looking black macaque that looks clearly different from the japanese one unlike other contenders like the barbary macaque. They also would mix well with the babirusa for themed areas, strenghtening both animals inclusions in the process.
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Southern Pig Tailed Macaque:
Imagine you take a Japanese Macaque, Juice up the Muscle Mass, increase the fluff and put them into south east Asia. Their main differentiator is their love for water and swimming, something very rare amongst primates. They also tend to be quiter then other monkeys and if the siamangs and capuchins are an annoyance to you aswell im sure you would appreciate this blessing.
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Macaques were the hardest to just choose two of, but i tried to choose them with the criteria of offering something different both in appearance and behaviour from the japanese macaque and am quite happy with my choices. Both of them have their main limit being that just like the javan langur, an island pack is their by far best pack so sadly we will only see one if any of them in the game.
 
Caelians and Insectivora:
Not here, not interested in them as they actually would be what id call to small for habitat animals. I highly doubt we will ever get something the size of a mice.
The exception here for possibility would be the tailless tenrec, a madagascan chonky hedgehog crossed with a possum looking creature found in 8 eaza zoos. There size of up to 40 cm would make them viable, but due to their rareness and rather dull looks im only mentioning them for the sake of it. Its an okay animal and would be interesting for madagascar areas, but really nothing special and as far away from essential as possible without being an activly bad inclusion.
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True Lizards:
People said it before me but a tegu is a south american crossbreed of a monitor lizard and a dalmatian and theyd be a great inclusion to both represent non tropical south america.
An all around good addition to our lacking reptile roster.

Old World Monkeys:
The big one.
Old work monkeys can be split into 4 groups for the purposes of building a zoo.:
Baboons (none in the game)
Guenons, Mangabeys and Colobini (mandrill)
Langurs (proboscis monkey)
Macaques (japanese macaque)
With the first 2 being from africa and the later from asia.
Long story short, each of these 4 groups should have atleast one more member, with each of them having atleast 2 good candidates i want to mention:

Baboons:
Hamadryas Baboon:
Most common baboon in captivity that represents the middle east and north east africa. They have the advantage of being a great candidate for a desert pack, but the downside of being phased out of captivity in favor of more endangerd baboons.
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Gelada:
A very unique looking baboon from the ehtyopien highlands and the only mostly herbiverous baboon. Their impressive looks and rising captive presence as the nr 1 species the hamadryas baboons are swapped out for make them the pick for the future, especally combined with their possible presence in a mountainous pack.
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Both Baboons could exist next to each other as both dont face alot of competition in there packs, but id expect to only get one depending on which one of these 2 biomes will recieve a pack next year.


Guenons, Mangabeys and Colobini:
De Brazzas Guenon:
African small wetlands monkey with a very unique face and social structure as they only tolerate their mates, children and colobini monkeys. They enjoy added flexibility from their ability to swim and aquatic biome.
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Mantled Guereza:
The most famous and wide spread colobini in both range and captivity they would be a good choice to represent central african rainforest, tree savanahs and even dry mountain forests.
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Both of these could easily exist side by side in a dlc, but sadly both of their best bets would be a rainforest animal pack so the chance to get 2 african primates among 7 animals is quite slim. Personally id rather see the guenon for its added uniqueness among monkeys do to their social structure but you couldnt go wrong with either one.
While a Mangabey would be nice, i dont see them as anywhere near as essential as representation for the guenos and colobini as they are much rarer in captivity and would activly compete with them for the african monkey slot.


Langurs:
Javan Langur:
The most common langur in the EAZA mainly differentiates itself by having two major colormorphs, a black and an orange variant with orange being the color of all juveniles and only rarely found among adults. This makes them a very attractive choice as theyd easily be able to be kept as 2 "different" monkeys for the price of one and could come in an islands pack.
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Gray Langur: Propaply the most iconic species of langurs, the gray langurs main advantage is flexibility. Living everywhere in continental SEA and sri lanka, they are found in grasslands, citys, deserts, tropical rainforests and the many kinds of temperate and boreal forests of the southern himalaya, making them a species that could easily be the surprise inclusion in most future packs, something im sure we all would love to see.
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For the langurs while both are great options, they luckily are a less black and white case as the other 2 groups, as the gray langur could pop up everywhere from a mountain to a urban pack, even being one of the few primate candidates for a temperate pack (aka its time to reajust that temperate animal pack thread with this new information.
The javan langur on the other hand really is dependent on the islands pack being an animal one, as its unlikly to make an appearance in such a crowded pack otherwise.
Macaques:

Sulawesi Crested Macaque:
A very unique looking black macaque that looks clearly different from the japanese one unlike other contenders like the barbary macaque. They also would mix well with the babirusa for themed areas, strenghtening both animals inclusions in the process.
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Southern Pig Tailed Macaque:
Imagine you take a Japanese Macaque, Juice up the Muscle Mass, increase the fluff and put them into south east Asia. Their main differentiator is their love for water and swimming, something very rare amongst primates. They also tend to be quiter then other monkeys and if the siamangs and capuchins are an annoyance to you aswell im sure you would appreciate this blessing.
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Macaques were the hardest to just choose two of, but i tried to choose them with the criteria of offering something different both in appearance and behaviour from the japanese macaque and am quite happy with my choices. Both of them have their main limit being that just like the javan langur, an island pack is their by far best pack so sadly we will only see one if any of them in the game.
I think this is the first time ive see someone mentioning an urban pack. Out of curiosty, what did you imagine being in the pack besides the langurs, espacially since raccoons and red foxes are allready in the game?
 
I think this is the first time ive see someone mentioning an urban pack. Out of curiosty, what did you imagine being in the pack besides the langurs, espacially since raccoons and red foxes are allready in the game?
Gray Hulman (Indian Citys), Wild Boar (European Citys), Common Brush Tailed Possum (Australian Citys), Canada Goose (All Citys)
 
Old world monkeys:
In my mind, there are at least two essential African monkeys. First and most important is the mantled guereza, an extremely common zoo species with a striking appearance. Additionally, we need a true baboon, probably the hamadryas baboon as both the most iconic and common in captivity, though the gelada would be a satisfactory alternative. I also think having at least one guenon would be desirable, with my preferred candidate being either the Diana monkey or the De Brazza's monkey. Asian monkeys have slightly better but still very lackluster representation, and while I don't see any as essential I think the game would benefit from having at least one langur (excluding the very unconventional proboscis monkey) and one warm-weather macaque, with my preferred candidates respectively being the Francois' langur and the lion-tailed macaque.

Insectivores:
The only one that I'd be interested in at all is the black and rufous elephant shrew, which has a modest but growing captive presence, including at my home Philadelphia Zoo. Nowhere near essential, though, and neither is anything else from this informal mammal grouping.

Skinks & true lizards:
The two I mentioned earlier when I misinterpreted agamids, iguanas, etc.--the Solomon Islands skink and the northern caiman lizard would be two of my top exhibit animal picks if we ever get more exhibit animals, though I wouldn't regard them (or any exhibit animals other than maybe a chameleon and a gecko) as essential. Honorable mention to the shingleback, which is in the same genus as the blue-tongued skinks and is a personal favorite animal of mine.

Caecilians:
No real preferences. They're neat but not on my list for needed exhibit animals.
 
I consider all species listed below as essential

Old world monkeys:
  1. Mantled guereza - iconic representation from Africa
  2. Lion tailed macaque - endangered and beautiful
  3. Black crested macaque - Sulawesi representation and endangered
  4. Grey langur - needed representation from India can be kept with Himalayan bears
  5. Javan langur - beautiful and colorful
  6. Patas monkey - ground savanna monkey
  7. Hamadryas baboon - icon zoo animal
  8. Snub nosed monkey - china’s conservation icon
  9. Red headed mangabey - swamp monkey from Africa, uniquely colored
Insectivora*:
1. Tailless tenrec - one of the largest Insectivora from Madagascar

Skinks and true lizards (Lacertoidae):

1. Shingleback Skink - iconic for Australia
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And here we are in the last conventional discussion!

Discussion #15: Old world monkeys, Insectivora*, skinks and true lizards, Caecelians

Old world monkeys:
- A baboon is an absolute must-have. Ideally the hamadryas baboon, for its appearance and range.

-The Barbary macaque would be very welcome as our first European monkey and because they have a big tolerance for different biomes. It could be a great anniversary gift.

-The black and white colobus would be nice, but only after having more new world monkeys first.

For the lizards, I don't know much about true lizards or skinks, but the green or ocellated lizards would be nice (we don't have any European reptile yet!)

Last but not least, the European hedgehog would be a cute addition to the game, but it's not essential to me.
 
And here we are in the last conventional discussion!

Discussion #15: Old world monkeys, Insectivora*, skinks and true lizards, Caecelians

What we have:

Old world monkeys:
  1. Japanese Macaque
  2. Mandrill
  3. Proboscis monkey

Insectivora*:
None

Skinks and true lizards (Lacertoidae):
  1. Eastern blue-tongued lizard

Caecelians:
None

Explain what you think is still needed from the aforementioned groups, and give your reasoning as to why. Take into account that slots in the roster are not unlimited, so try to keep the discussion realistic.

*Insectivora has been retired as a taxonomic group, but for the simplification of discussion we'll discuss all its former sub-groups together, which include: hedgehogs, shrews, moles, tenrecs, elephant-shrews, tree-shrews, colugos plus a few others

I'm gonna just discuss monkeys here, because I have no wishes for other groups.

For me what's essential is two monkeys and at least one baboon (It would be perfect 2).

1. Mantled Guereza - Most wished for, huge range, well represented in zoos, striking appearance
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2. De Brazza's Guenon - This is more of a personal wish for me, but as far as I noticed it has some fans in community. Tropical and wetland habitat, also very striking appearance and also well represented in zoos, atleast here in Europe.
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I think two monkeys are essential for us to at least switch them out or have any choice and not put Guereza in each section needing an African monkey.

As for Baboons, if we got only one I would go for:

3. Hamadryas Baboon - It has everything, underrepresented habitat and range, iconic appearance, etc, etc. Those things in my mind give it an edge over Olive species.
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If we got second species which I would really love, but understand that's not essential, then easily

4. Gelada. To not repeat myself: range, habitat, appearance, unique diet....
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For Asian species I would choose another Macaque species, whether its Lion Tailed Macaque, Crested Macaque, Rhesus...I think Lion Tailed has that unique look over other candidates, but I would be fine with whichever. Speaking of macaques, Barbary Ape would be nice to have, but I know I wouldn't give it a DLC slot anytime soon. Anniversary perhaps?
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Old world monkeys....

1. Sulawesi Crested Black Macaque
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Most essential animal for me overall. Unique punk mowhawk and bright pink bottoms, despite conservation efforts for 40+ year still critically endangered because they are still hunted for bushmeat and face habitat loss.

2. Gelada
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Ideally both would be included but if I had to choose between the Hamadryas baboon and the Gelada i'm going to choose the punk rocker over the mad professor

3. Black and white Colobus Monkey / Mantled Guereza

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& 4. De Brazza monkey

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striking appearances for both of them, wide representation at least in Europe

Skinks

1. Telfair's Skink

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Small but mighty, the Telfair's skink is probably the only one I would suggest, because of it's conservation value. But they are brown and small for comparison; this is one on Round Island, Mauritius with an Aldabra Tortoise

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Insectavora
I mean hedgehogs are cute but not sure if would want them in the game. If any the European Hedgehog would be my choice especially with it's blonde version from Alderney.
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Old world monkeys: The mantled guereza and a baboon species are absolutely essential in my eyes. For the baboon, I have preference for Hamadryas but would be OK with other species too.

Then, although not essential, I think one more small African monkey and one more Asian monkey would be very good to have. There are several good options for the African one but I would like to mention a species that has not been mentioned yet: the owl-faced monkey, from the forests of the Congo Basin. It's a very cool looking and endangered monkey. I've learned about them because they have been keeping a pair in Antwerp Zoo for years now and have been very successful at breeding them. For the Asian monkey, there are also a lot of good options but my preference go to the Sulawesi crested macaque.

Insectivora: Nothing essential but I would absolutely love to get an elephant shrew. They are so adorable.

Skinks: We probably need more but I don't know enough about them.

Caecelians: Not needed.
 
Don't want be intrusive but just wondering yoav_r if you'll be finished with writing about all the aniamls soon?
I'm currently in Cuba, a country with like 5 minutes of wifi a day. On monday I'll be back in a normsl country so I'd get to it then.
 
Meanwhile for the final discussion: oddballs!!

What are oddballs? Any animal that fits current game mechanics but the majority of its taxonomical group doesn't/it somehiw wasn't discussed until now.

Here are the ones I thought about:
  • Ground hornbill
  • Kakapo
  • Mudskipper
  • Secretary bird
  • Tuatara

Feel free to add more suggestions if you have any
 
Meanwhile for the final discussion: oddballs!!

What are oddballs? Any animal that fits current game mechanics but the majority of its taxonomical group doesn't/it somehiw wasn't discussed until now.

Here are the ones I thought about:
  • Ground hornbill
  • Kakapo
  • Mudskipper
  • Secretary bird
  • Tuatara

Feel free to add more suggestions if you have any
Giant Salamanders? Although majority would say they would be exhibit animals.😅
Also maybe hyraxes? I don't think capybara's animations or rigs would fit them lol
 
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