You just don't understand, do you? No matter what "formation flying" you do, or what modules you put on your ship to try and avoid it, you will get hit by drag. Whether it's from seekers, packhounds, or fragment cannons, you will enter a stall that you can't get out of. Not every fight in this game is a 1v1, and I find it hilarious that you're trying to criticise one of the best PvP pilots in this game.
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Mate, honestly, you're not making logical points. All it sounds like to me is someone trying to make excuses for a weapon so broken it might actually help them deal with people who are better pilots.
Either way, I don't see much point in trying to debate it further with you, since you keep trying to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about anyway.
Uhm, no, it isn't. Whole player interaction and multiplayer portion of the game is gimmicky, at best. Frontier knows it, players know it, why are you having such hard time to see it?
Thanks, FD. This looks interesting.
If you need to see how competent of a pilot CMDR L'Intouchable is, you can check out his YouTube channel.
More action in this thread than there is in the game 
Fdev is planning to make a change that forces the use of a single experimental effect - I’m wondering if they understand that. That sounds like unbalancing, not balancing.
Yeah no.
One pellet is enough to apply the effect, and frags are the easiest to hit a small agile target with. It's the same principle of using a shotgun against birds rather than a rifle.
Some of the best PVP around.More action in this thread than there is in the game
But isn't it always the case around here?
I’m not a super famous PC PVPer or anything, however, I like to think I’m one of the more competent guys on Xbox.
The change to Drag Munitions is certainly an unwelcome one.
Ships that rely on maneuverability over sheer defense numbers are taking a huge blow here.
Not only that, but removing the ability to at least boost from some of the more non-meta ships is absolutely going to kill any usefulness they might have had.
I sometimes use a Python for PvP, for example. Hardly the best choice, but it’s a good time regardless.
It’s completely useless without the ability to at least boost, as it’s a total pig. Even FA off, it simply doesn’t want to move until you hit that boost button lol.
The change to Drag Munitions is certainly an unwelcome one.
Ships that rely on maneuverability over sheer defense numbers are taking a huge blow here.
Not only that, but removing the ability to at least boost from some of the more non-meta ships is absolutely going to kill any usefulness they might have had.
I sometimes use a Python for PvP, for example. Hardly the best choice, but it’s a good time regardless.
It’s completely useless without the ability to at least boost, as it’s a total pig. Even FA off, it simply doesn’t want to move until you hit that boost button lol.
I'm very experienced in Elephant Butt Leather, so why is nobody listening to me?
You're saying this to L'in, of all people. Just because it's clear you don't know who L'in is, he's the guy that has made detailed Youtube videos on the advanced combat mechanics of this game, was one of the most helpful instructors of GCI, and helped people get good with 1-on-1 experience. He was just helping a streamer out yesterday.
L'in has been writing guides since you were first learning how to not crash your Sidey into the side of a space station. And here you are, a petty clubber killer whos britches got too big by occasionally scoring a kill on people who literally just log in to kill noobs in Eravate, barking up the tree at L'in. I'd tell you to quiet down and sit before you made yourself look like a fool, but you've already managed to do so.
Your friends disagree with you. People with more experience and know their stuff disagree with you. I hope you're not the face of AA and the one who is training the future AA recruits because if so... man. I feel bad for people like BreakfastMelon, DeZpe, Mini_Watto, and others that brought a good name for the group.
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If Fdev doesn't fix this, this will also differ in a couple of critical and dangerous ways from past "sanctioned exploits".
The PvP community successfully established norms against the use of heat cannons and heal beams. With certain notable exceptions, these norms are followed within the PvP community. The establishment of these norms was made easier by the fact that few people bothered with beams and cannons before Fdev created exploits for them. When heat cannons were finally nerfed, an entire group known primarily for exploiting them simply vanished. Healbeam use in PvP remains rare and only done by certain elements.
But frags and seekers are both very common weapons. Drag munitions in particular are already the most popular secondary for seekers and pack-hounds. That is because the effect they previously had was already quite useful. It forced CMDRs to RELY on boost to continue with fast movements, often requiring the diversion of power. It was already a useful effect (arguably the single useful effect for seekers). Many frag users also have one drag-frag already due to its effectiveness as a ToT enhancer.
But I digress. The point is that because of the already widespread adoption it will not be so easy to establish a norm against its use. People are not likely to be willing to change builds, let alone waste any materials to change engineering.
This is likely to drive many PvPers (and likely others due to frags becoming an even stronger ganking weapon) away from the game if it is left in its present state. If I did not know better I might assume that an intended effect.
Nonetheless, there are three easy ways to at least make this a little more balanced.
1. Revert this change entirely.
2. Separate the "0-Pip" effect from the new "boost block effect" and have them be two separate special effects, ideally one for frags only and one for seekers only.
Seekers only get the boost block effect which I shall call "Dampening Munition". This blocks boost for a few seconds, has a one-minute cooldown, and does negligible damage with an extremely low (or nonexistant) breach chance.
Frags keep the old "Drag Munitions" effect as it existed prior to this patch.
3. At an absolute minimum, impose a cooldown of at least thirty seconds (but ideally, a minute) on at least the boost-blocking effect.
The PvP community successfully established norms against the use of heat cannons and heal beams. With certain notable exceptions, these norms are followed within the PvP community. The establishment of these norms was made easier by the fact that few people bothered with beams and cannons before Fdev created exploits for them. When heat cannons were finally nerfed, an entire group known primarily for exploiting them simply vanished. Healbeam use in PvP remains rare and only done by certain elements.
But frags and seekers are both very common weapons. Drag munitions in particular are already the most popular secondary for seekers and pack-hounds. That is because the effect they previously had was already quite useful. It forced CMDRs to RELY on boost to continue with fast movements, often requiring the diversion of power. It was already a useful effect (arguably the single useful effect for seekers). Many frag users also have one drag-frag already due to its effectiveness as a ToT enhancer.
But I digress. The point is that because of the already widespread adoption it will not be so easy to establish a norm against its use. People are not likely to be willing to change builds, let alone waste any materials to change engineering.
This is likely to drive many PvPers (and likely others due to frags becoming an even stronger ganking weapon) away from the game if it is left in its present state. If I did not know better I might assume that an intended effect.
Nonetheless, there are three easy ways to at least make this a little more balanced.
1. Revert this change entirely.
2. Separate the "0-Pip" effect from the new "boost block effect" and have them be two separate special effects, ideally one for frags only and one for seekers only.
Seekers only get the boost block effect which I shall call "Dampening Munition". This blocks boost for a few seconds, has a one-minute cooldown, and does negligible damage with an extremely low (or nonexistant) breach chance.
Frags keep the old "Drag Munitions" effect as it existed prior to this patch.
3. At an absolute minimum, impose a cooldown of at least thirty seconds (but ideally, a minute) on at least the boost-blocking effect.
Sexy...
I take it that you didn't check that for flechette or missile racks. Of course. Who cares about weapons that no one uses?
Whoa, L'int that is quality mate.
Yes to this! Frontier, I hope you’re listening. My vote is for option 1. Then option 2. Then option 3. I think option 4 would be to join the throngs of people checking other games out due to the lack of intelligent balancing here.