ARX store inflation

Inflation has been a bit vicious.

Hmm... I'm not sure if the "classic" terms of "inflation" apply here !? Those digital goods have no further production costs except the initial costs and can be duplicated/applied and stored infinitely without any significant further costs. And iIrc it was stated earlier in this thread that the inflation rate over the last five (?) years since introduction of Arx was around 25%. So raising prices in a purely digital shop up to +400% (e.g. simple paintjob small ship/srv 320 Arx now 1600 Arx...) really can't be excused with "inflation"...

My ten cent... Ymmv though, as ever
 
No, they are visible but only really close up in the light. I have never been close enough to anyone to see their paintjob.
When In my own ship I can't see the paint from the cockpit and the black of space. Total waste.
During CGs sitting in the station and seeing other players ships all around the port was quite something.
I still occasionally see other ships in ports and the lighting is pretty good in most of them.
I also see my own when get out and walk or drive the SRV.
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Hmm... I'm not sure if the "classic" terms of "inflation" apply here !? Those digital goods have no further production costs except the initial costs and can be duplicated/applied and stored infinitely without any significant further costs. And iIrc it was stated earlier in this thread that the inflation rate over the last five (?) years since introduction of Arx was around 25%. So raising prices in a purely digital shop up to +400% (e.g. simple paintjob small ship/srv 320 Arx now 1600 Arx...) really can't be excused with "inflation"...

My ten cent... Ymmv though, as ever

OK, I didn't actually know what the degree of inflation has been since Arx was introduced, hence my query.

"Muh inflation" Then please overlay the official CPI data of the british pound with those recent increases. And using CPI is generous here because there's no further production cost involved with the old stuff.

Someone else has kindly provided the relevant figures and yeah, the rise in Arx prices is greater than inflation. It's certainly felt to me like I've lost spending power, and I'm in a pretty good situation all things considered, my impression is that others are feeling the pain more.
 
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I can say that I am glad that I never actually purchased ARX, only collected them in-game. Thus I don't feel robbed at all by this move, but I sure can sympathize with those who do. This also ensures that I will never, ever purchase any ARX in the future, so overall it is fairly acceptable IMHO.
 
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It's about being objective and reasonable. There many things wrong about how this thing was handled, from communication ("adjusting prices of some items"), through the fact that no new things were added to the store that could possibly generate revenue, to the outrageous hikes (for some items). But we also need to consider that this is the first rise since arx was implemented IIRC, that some of the rises are rather reasonable and that we can earn more arx in game now. Also that this is what keep this 10 years old game running.
I went from being able to afford a 1820 paint job for free in five weeks, to now needing thirteen for 5000. If I wanted anything costing 10k, I'd need twenty-five weeks. Sheer insanity. And there's even more expensive purchases on the store, too. You are insane if you think this is reasonable. Maybe if they also increased the amount of ARX you get per purchase but as far as I know, that's remained unchanged. I've seen Korean gacha games more generous than this. I certainly won't be purchasing any ARX in the future because of these changes.
 

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I went from being able to afford a 1820 paint job for free in five weeks, to now needing thirteen for 5000. If I wanted anything costing 10k, I'd need twenty-five weeks. Sheer insanity. And there's even more expensive purchases on the store, too. You are insane if you think this is reasonable. Maybe if they also increased the amount of ARX you get per purchase but as far as I know, that's remained unchanged. I've seen Korean gacha games more generous than this. I certainly won't be purchasing any ARX in the future because of these changes.
Why don't you get to attacking the next Titan, and you can get 100 Arx per core - that's 800 per Titan. Plus MUCH MORE if you're in the top 10 Commanders? Same with PP2.0 once it's released.
Besides, free Arx are not supposed to pay for your cosmetics. They are supposed to help you spend less money - but the goal is to still spend money. If anyone is being unreasonable here - it is you, if you think the main purpose of in-game Arx is to get you free skins. Dude. This is a business and Elite is a rather niche game.

Alternatively - you can always go and play these Korean gacha games, whatever they are ¯\(ツ)
 
Why don't you get to attacking the next Titan, and you can get 100 Arx per core - that's 800 per Titan. Plus MUCH MORE if you're in the top 10 Commanders? Same with PP2.0 once it's released.
Besides, free Arx are not supposed to pay for your cosmetics. They are supposed to help you spend less money - but the goal is to still spend money. If anyone is being unreasonable here - it is you, if you think the main purpose of in-game Arx is to get you free skins. Dude. This is a business and Elite is a rather niche game.

Alternatively - you can always go and play these Korean gacha games, whatever they are ¯\(ツ)
I don't give a damn about Titans, I care about the exploration and trading aspects. If the purpose of free ARX isn't to get me something for free every now and then, why increase the amount you can earn? Why give it for free at all? All it's done is made me realize how awful these new, overly inflated prices are. If Frontier Dev are as flippant and dismissive of concerns as you are, I can understand why their earnings are in the toilet.
 
And this is exactly what companies are hoping for, and why gradually they are getting more and more anti-consumer. This is not a good long term outlook.
Point of interest here. This is exactly what the suits at Frontier are banking on, our apathy. Kinda similar to how authoritarian governments hope people do not bother or dare to oppose their regime. It takes effort to protest, even if it is as small of an effort as having the self-control to vote with your dollar or joining a forum to make a post.

Also for people pointing to inflation, it is a poor excuse to justify these insane price hikes. 10-20% reflecting actual inflation/projection sure, but over 200% reaches arbitrary greed territory. While it is true companies dealing in digital goods are feeling inflation in terms of staff raises, cost of electricity and so on, their digital products already made are unaffected. Many argue cosmetics were already overpriced for what you were getting, due to being generally low quality or overly simple and unimaginative. Fdev are probably aware they could generate more revenue effectively in other ways using minimal effort while still adhering to a moral compass, but why bother with that when the majority of players are fine with being sheeple consumers?

What really gets me though is that, even from a purely business, profit praising, all consuming capitalist mindset, I cannot see how devaluing the in game currency will actually lead to more profit over just increasing the price of the game currency packages. Taking into account factors like whales, fomo & saving psychology related to earning ARX in game, and making customers feel extra salty it just doesn't make sense in the long run.
 

rootsrat

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I don't give a damn about Titans, I care about the exploration and trading aspects. If the purpose of free ARX isn't to get me something for free every now and then, why increase the amount you can earn? Why give it for free at all? All it's done is made me realize how awful these new, overly inflated prices are. If Frontier Dev are as flippant and dismissive of concerns as you are, I can understand why their earnings are in the toilet.
Just to be clear, I am not an employee - and neither are the other mods.

I'm not dismissive of concerns. Quite the opposite, I have raised them rather vocally and openly here and on my live streams. I am dismissive of people who call me insane for having a different opinion and are clearly unable to discuss things in a civilised way.
 
Just to be clear, I am not an employee - and neither are the other mods.

I'm not dismissive of concerns. Quite the opposite, I have raised them rather vocally and openly here and on my live streams. I am dismissive of people who call me insane for having a different opinion and are clearly unable to discuss things in a civilised way.
Saying that they should just go play other games did come across a bit dismissive to me initially, I'll be honest. The shrugging emoji probably also didn't help.
 
Just to be clear, I am not an employee - and neither are the other mods.

I'm not dismissive of concerns. Quite the opposite, I have raised them rather vocally and openly here and on my live streams. I am dismissive of people who call me insane for having a different opinion and are clearly unable to discuss things in a civilised way.
Yes, I'm well aware you do it for free.

I called you insane because thinking these changes are reasonable is insane. They're not. Letting me earn more ARX and then cranking up the prices so that I have to spend double/triple the amount of time to even approach a point where I might consider buying the difference needed to get something I'm interested in kills any interest I'd have in doing so.
 
So is there gonna be a way for console players to earn additional arxs, over and above the weekly 400 ? Wich value is considerably less then before ?
 

rootsrat

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Yes, I'm well aware you do it for free.

I called you insane because thinking these changes are reasonable is insane. They're not. Letting me earn more ARX and then cranking up the prices so that I have to spend double/triple the amount of time to even approach a point where I might consider buying the difference needed to get something I'm interested in kills any interest I'd have in doing so.
You still don't seem to understand what is the purpose of a free premium currency in GaaS video games. I can't help you there mate, but you're entitled to have an opinion about it. As am I, but you don't seem to be able understand that either.
 
You still don't seem to understand what is the purpose of a free premium currency in GaaS video games. I can't help you there mate, but you're entitled to have an opinion about it. As am I, but you don't seem to be able understand that either.
I explicitly acknowledged the purpose of it in the post that you're quoting, but you're so caught up in needing to be right and feel superior that you've missed it completely. Why should I respect your opinion on the subject when you refuse to engage just because I'm using harsh language that you don't like?
 

rootsrat

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I explicitly acknowledged the purpose of it in the post that you're quoting, but you're so caught up in needing to be right and feel superior that you've missed it completely. Why should I respect your opinion on the subject when you refuse to engage just because I'm using harsh language that you don't like?
And there it is. At least you acknowledge it.

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