Automation and Scripting - An investigation into further abuses of BGS and Powerplay
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which bug ? Did i miss it ?
I was wondering just this. Who prepares a sophisticated bot then leave it in sunlight where everyone can see it?
This is highly dissapointing, but not surprising. There are always those who will seek to gain an advantage any way possible or to cause problems for others.
The periodic sale of the game has its pluses and minuses, and i don't think FD need to stop doing this. But i do think they need to find a way to come down on the owners of these accounts harder, and if possible, be able to detect them quicker.
There are a number of areas in the game where FD's approach to things is probably too soft. If you look at many online games its a case of ban first, ask questions later. Not sure that is the right apporach either, but there must be a middle ground.
EDIT: Just a thought, imagine how much worse things could be if FD allowed credit transfers between players...
The periodic sale of the game has its pluses and minuses, and i don't think FD need to stop doing this. But i do think they need to find a way to come down on the owners of these accounts harder, and if possible, be able to detect them quicker.
There are a number of areas in the game where FD's approach to things is probably too soft. If you look at many online games its a case of ban first, ask questions later. Not sure that is the right apporach either, but there must be a middle ground.
EDIT: Just a thought, imagine how much worse things could be if FD allowed credit transfers between players...
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FDEV should be handing out permanent shadow bans for this kind of thing, if they don't want to go full on whack-a-cheat (which most of us would support I think).
That way the little tykes can't screech they can no longer play the game, or demand refunds or whatever, but they can't touch the BGS.
how would a shadow ban prevent them touching the bgs? that's as much as leaving them doing their thing on solo/pg unmolested.
actually, frontier should ban them from solo/pg, i.e. ban them to open, so cmdrs could deal with them!
Indeed. Just perma-ban them like pretty much every other company would do.
how would a shadow ban prevent them touching the bgs? that's as much as leaving them doing their thing on solo/pg unmolested.
actually, frontier should ban them from solo/pg, i.e. ban them to open, so cmdrs could deal with them!
I thought people in shadowban didnt contribute to the bgs?
As a non-PP, non-BGS player, I care!
I don't want bots and cheating in the game, whether it directly affects me or not.
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Help! Mah indirect PVP is being griefed.
From what I understand, you're right. I guess it would be like the beta servers. They'd have their own BGS. They could manipulate it to their heart's content.
Someone who who is either A) overconfident and brazen or B) wants it known that the game is "full of cheaters", to illustrate how simple the code is
Likely for some "you reneged on your promise" retribution.
Wouldn't it be an easy fix to just have all PP activities restricted to open play?
At least the offenders could be interdicted and destroyed unless they figure out a way to script combat bots. The only danger would be that they become self aware and murder us all.
At least the offenders could be interdicted and destroyed unless they figure out a way to script combat bots. The only danger would be that they become self aware and murder us all.
Except bots can fly all hours of all the day. We commanders can only fly when other stuff like dayjob's etc doesn't block. Oh don't forget sleep.
True for the most part that most of the bot accounts observed stuck to 8 hour stints, but log off one bot CMDR boot up another bot CMDR and continue.
Credit transfers are basically as easy as teabagging meta alloys
uw;dw
Are we entirely sure these are even separate people? Remember there's that other group of combat-whiners that stage their own combat-logging and call it research too.
Sorry, but any player-generated "research" of this nature starts at zero credibility and goes down from there. I can't think of a single example where it's gone up.
And yes, at the very end of the day - it's ultimately meaningless. All that effort to change who is listed first on a station mission board, and for what? A change in the legal status of beer?
how would a shadow ban prevent them touching the bgs? that's as much as leaving them doing their thing on solo/pg unmolested.
actually, frontier should ban them from solo/pg, i.e. ban them to open, so cmdrs could deal with them!
As I understand it the shadow server is where they can dump cheats temporarily or permanently, once in it you can only meet up with people who are also shadowbanned and what you do doesn't effect the BGS. You can make money but you can't alter the gameworld in any way.
It's certainly looks that way, but please bare in mind the OPs post is more a timeline of events and shows proof and graphs of what kind of problem they are dealing with. This also serves as a way for the community to keep an eye out for such practices I the future, which will, in turn help FDev with thorough reporting. I feel like they've taken as far as they can alone and are now reaching out publically to raise awareness. NOT So much to level blame. Sadly though this has had a huge effect on the groups involved and contributed to burn out over it, so the damage is done, and their are hard feelings. :/
This is true.
We believe that this problem is far more widespread than just us.
For now, this shows BGS and powerplayers how to detect, and monitor and counter these bots.
If the problem is widespread, with the techniques we've demonstrated, this will be picked up and reported quickly.
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