Automation and Scripting - An investigation into further abuses of BGS and Powerplay
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And what about people legitimately using DC on boring trade runs to minimize the grind as much as possible, but within the legal boundaries?
I don't trade all that often but when I do, I really appreciate the fact I can let the ship park itself so I can continue reading forums in the mean-time.
Adding captcha to automated docking process kinda defeats the purpose, doesn't it?
I agree bots problem needs to be addressed, but that doesn't seem like the correct course of action.
Yes, this is the point: captchas on web pages are annoying but acceptable because you only go on a web page once in a while, and when you do it keeps your session so you only see the captcha the first time. Now imagine you are asked the captcha every single time you reload the page - how much would you be annoyed? I can safely bet you would not ever go on that @/!$! page again. And now, imagine that you are asked a captcha every single time you dock at a station, for every mission, every trade run: how long will you resist before you have enough and go play some less annoying game instead?
And it might also drive non-english speaking players, not to mention deaf players, entirely away from the game.
The absolute worst thing you can ever do is get emotionally involved in a game (like it's real).
The problem is that games developers want (and probably need) players to become emotionally involved.
Ying & Yang, eternal triangle, Hotel california, hey Sarah Sarah,
The problem is that games developers want (and probably need) players to become emotionally involved.
Ying & Yang, eternal triangle, Hotel california, hey Sarah Sarah,
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Ah. Sorry, I misunderstood.
Firstly; Lining up with the station is easy peasy. Secondly; as soon as you enter the grill, the landing pad is also easy to navigate to. It right there on your dash. I have no clue where all the pads are. So, if im in one of the B3 ships I'll trottle to 0 or in anything less, I check dash and it shows me where to go.
I fear, judging by comments here, we're asking for the entire game to be rewritten, just to defend against a few botters.
Anything that is displayed to the user on a computer screen can be read, and indeed, automated. If facebook can implement face recognition and XXX recognition, I'm pretty sure, Elite Dangerous is childs play.
This has to be tackled at the BGS/PP level.
That's not going to work. Eventually someone, somewhere will find a way to automate that too. To confront the bot authors you have to think like them.
And// Lets get real here; We're talking about manipulation (asserted but not proven) of the BGS/PP mechanics. In a small way. To properly overcome such thing would require a team of coders modifying a whole swathe of code. And to do what exactly? There will always be bots, there will always be someone smart ready to take up the challenge, and you're right back at square one.
But! You might be onto something... Maybe, instead of being accepted in game, there could be an online submission of dividends... Where the CMDRs involved would have to be listed, and then checked via the logs? It would require less coding, but an extra job for the anti-cheat team.
Random.. wins everytime
Random is also statistically detectable. It needs to be sort-of random. Human random in fact.
Probably not even that these days.
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They cannot if the connection is broken.
Or the post number which is in the top right of each post.
You are correct. The ships compass is easy to read and once low over the pad the landing pad lines can be watched to check alignment. Not hugely difficult. Removing the DC would not stop a determined bot mechanic.
Which is enough to time and correlate with the interdiction/scan to know the player has CLed..
That's already been pointed out. It's hardly a compelling argument.
Not that I am supporting bots. Though I might be, I haven't met one yet. To be honest.. A whole lots of work for something I can and usually do, in any ship manually. I really don't use the dc except inside the station. Getting rid of it doesn't phase me so much as, it would achieve nothing.
What's uncompelling about the T&Cs? They're the rules we all sign up to when buying the game. Are you saying you don't adhere to the rules FDev and the community have agreed on?
I have been doing a bit of investigation of my own lately and I feel now is the time to share it.
Nothing concrete yet but I believe there are many BOTS hiding amongst the Thargoids. (Brett if you need the names then I think it's all of them but I don't have the proof YET!)
OP & AOS - great work BTW.
Nothing concrete yet but I believe there are many BOTS hiding amongst the Thargoids. (Brett if you need the names then I think it's all of them but I don't have the proof YET!)
OP & AOS - great work BTW.
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I don't use one, but if bots need to then it's their Achilles heel.
That's already been pointed out. It's hardly a compelling argument.
Sorry I haven't been on during the whole conversation, so I must have missed that.
Anyway I didn't mean it as any kind of argument, it simply looks like that some sees this as a legitimate gameplay, so I am pointing out that it isn't. There were even accounts banned for this. Otherwise be the good old "evolve or die" of course.
Haven't even read them, so no idea if I adhere to them or not.
Ignorantia juris non excusa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusat).
Although, in the case of the botters, I'm sure they are fully aware that their actions are in contravention of the EULA.
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