Er....fast? Two years is plenty of time. Five for PP and counting.
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Er....fast? Two years is plenty of time. Five for PP and counting.
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Yeah, and of course you could eventually have all 3 axis failing in some projects anyways. Was just a reminder that overall resources will always be limited (and competing for the different dev priorities) and compromises are taken on a continuous basis.
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You'll speak differently once somebody has wrongfully accused you of having committed a disgusting felony. Happened to me once; that accusation, totally uncalled for and unsubstantiated to boot, could have destroyed my career, my marriage, and screw up my life. As it was, it all crumbled, 'cause I got legal counsel, and the *** slanderers backed off so quickly you could see the skid marks. Had I just given in, and not bothered to get legal advice, I would have been done for.
Bottom line is, something does not need to be the truth to wreck your life, for good. Just because people say something happened, it did not necessarily happen.
Sorry, I'm very touchy as far as such topics are concerned. That's also why I do not engage in mud-slinging easily, certainly not on such a level.--
What is this blatant lie that keeps being repeated by posters? Has Putin got a dodgy script? Suspicious
Right so you always delete games to pre-empt future optional gameplay content... and errr it was free?
At the end of the path of this thread; it is understood that what has been said for a long time even more is the right way. It must be said that Frontier must be more aware that his quality control over Elite dangerous has created internal and public image problems. But you can fix them, by hook or by crook.
If software development, pick none.
Well, yesterday Naughty Dog announced that The Last of Us 2 is being delayed a few months to May 2020, and the fans of The Last of Us won't have had any new content for 7 years as the first game came out in 2013.
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Absolutely ridiculous comparison. I didn't know TLoU is shoving premium currency and MTX in your face. Or an MMO with large communities that need to be engaged. And I don't think Naughty Dog ever said they will keep releasing new content for the game for years to come.
I'm not disapointed because of the delay of FC, but because of all the delayed content in the past. They announced ice planets. then they said it would be delayed to focus on other things. Nowadays, they don't even speak a word about them. All they've showed us were arts or little pics, no work in progress. Did they even start working on them? Or they've hasty released unfinished content, multicrew for example.
Now they've moved FC to work on bugs instead. Removing bugs is a good thing, but not on the shoulders of the new, promised content.
It was their mistake to remove the betas.
I'm not sure, but I bet 'the new era' will be delayed aswell - announcment sometime next year
Sounds like you are cherry picking. You think the only updates anncounced for the game in the last 2 years have been ice planets and carriers?!
Anyway yes work was made on Ice Planets and it was used in the general planet surface tech updated in Beyond Q4, but true the only word since is they are still planned to be released, but there was nothing about it being released in 2019:
Reading between the lines now, it seems some code refactoring is required to give Carriers a robust feature set considering the huge discussion in the official carrier thread, I guess we will find out early next year if that was worthwhile.
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Nah the real justiication for calling the game dead would be if "New Era" doesnt materialise. That is where the main focus of the game is and has been for 1.5 years. Everything is on that shoulder, not some minor isolated new feature like carriers.
Sadly mine is delayed
The majority of content announced with release dates has been released on time. Whether buggy or not fleshed out is a different debate. However for carriers they released quite a teasing featureset a few months before which was unusual and sparked a lengthy discussion on the official forum. I dont think it would take a giant leap of imagination to conclude that the discussion revealed holes or even user expectations that werent covered in the original plan.
You are making things up,
- Beyond season was "focus on core gameplay", and the reason why Squadron Carriers were dropped at concept stage, but are you actually saying Beyond didnt do what it said on the tin?
- Focussing on bug fixes is a new thing, literally announced on this thread we are discussing.
Just want to point out there was a huge discussion about the scope of carriers on the official thread and there was also a large community petition about re-introducing betas and fixing old bugs. I guess they "gave the community a change (sic)" right?
I think that's highly likely.
"No good for mining support without cargo storage" - obvious, but it's a feature which no station or megaship has ever had and devs may not have thought of.
"Can't get multiple ships on board without a Shipyard" - but no station has ever had a shipyard without ship purchase, is that possible?
"Do 16 pads imply a limit of 16 ships? Are there hangars below those pads?" - Probably not anticipated by the people who did the concept art. Instancing and a ship limit don't work well together.
"What's the fuel, is getting it grindy?" - Undecided ATM; a dilemma.
"What will the cost be?" - Discussion and player credit stats reveal a huge pricing dilemma.
A lot of work for Frontier, to see if they get what they promised or delay it again, but I see that more work is now being done by their damage control guys to justify the unjustifiable.
I have come to read that they justify this delay, because "Frontier has listened to the community's complaints about the matter of fixing the bug that has been around for years".
And they stay so calm after writing this. LOL.
I have come to read that they justify this delay, because "Frontier has listened to the community's complaints about the matter of fixing the bug that has been around for years".
And they stay so calm after writing this. LOL.
A delay of max 6 months for a free "Personal Fleet Carriers" feature in a computer game is "unjustifiable". Love the shrillness, and you stayed calm after writing that? I am sure a lot of people out there in the real world dealing with real world problems wouldnt be so calm with you!
Not this again. The original envisioned Squadron Fleet Carriers were postponed indefinitely ie it didnt even get out of concept stage, we knew nothing of their feature set or scope. Sure you can look forward to them or spend a year of your life pointlessly fretting over illusions to broken promises in a computer game, but no work was done on them. What exactly was this promise that people were pinning their hopes to in that case? If you read the Carrier official forum thread then it is clear everyone has quite different expectations and this is even after the only feature set was released on the relaunch as Personal Fleet Carriers in Gamescon August 2019.
People loved Beyond Q4 so yes are you actually saying it was not justifiable to drop Ice Planets or Fleet Carriers from Beyond?
No idea what 6 months before "New Era" has got to do with anything. When "New Era" is launched will be able to say whether the skeleton crew working on Carriers and Bug fixes will have been "justifiable" or not.
I'm going to pick you up on this, I feel you are being disingenuous all the way through. You keep saying 6 months and I feel, that is wrong.
Carriers in any form have been tooted since Aug 2018? Whether they were squadron or personal, they are still carriers.
I'd like clarification. Are you claiming that the new iteration of carriers (personal) are in whole a complete new code base? Or (more likely) they are a branch or extension for what was already in play for the squadron based carriers?
Let's say you are claiming personal carriers are a new code base, then yes, that would mean they shelved the squadron code and started afresh, and like you say, they are only delayed 6 months, but also means, FD haven't the foggiest clue about what they are doing. No company unless they are completely bonkers, designs one thing, shelves it and then design and recodes a new thing almost the same.
Let's say you are claiming that personal carriers are an extension/rethink of the existing squadron carriers. Then that means FD are wholly late to the party and incompetent.
And just to go back to the 'oh! It's free' thing being tooted about... It's another bit of off-the-wall-falseness.
Horizons was also way overdue and after it, we were told beyond would be a period of bug fixing. QoL improvements blah blah. The reason it was free was (opinionated) because of the previous delays by frontier, and the mounting bug list.
Let's also add in, that every single release these guys have made has been beset by server issues and bugs. It's only in the gaming world that a company like this would be allowed to exist. In a commercial world they'd have sunk years ago. They have bad disjointed design, they have bad roadmaps, they have little or no testing and zero quality control. And they consistently miss their own deadlines.
And finally, again someone else mentioned it, they added the new vote for your favourite bug. Who does this? What commercial organisation makes their consumer base vote for their favourite bugs and then only those voted for get attention. In a commercial world that would be what's known as commercial suicide. But these guys are let away with it because they're a gaming company. Anyone buying their stocks needs their head examined.
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Are you working for FD?
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