Could Frontier please demonstrate how to use the FSS enjoyably?

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Rubbish. Jumping from system to system simply to discover what's in those systems is, by definition, exploring.

Explore
verb
1. travel through (an unfamiliar area) in order to learn about it.


It requires no travel to planets. Even if I learn only a single fact about a system before jumping away from it, I am, by definition, exploring.
No different to the ADS. You press a button for 5 seconds and you have explored the system.

You need to look at what you write and see how it applies to the old version as well. It's no different at the end of the day. They both give you information that allows you to explore the system more.

Hell you don't need to travel at all. Open the galaxy map and you have explored the whole galaxy if you go by that interpretation.

But as your dictionary says, you need to travel through it. You don't travel when using the FSS or ADS. To gather the information, you need to travel through it in the old way as well as the new.

You need to apply that to all version, not just choose one and ignore the other when they both apply.
 
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You still need to SC to explore. Saying you don't is just a lie.
It would be really nice if you would would refrain from accusing people of lying just because you disagree with what they say.

I said very explicitly that there is now 'no need to SC in exploration and still get tags and credits unless you want to fly to the body to map it.' Just because that's not exploration according to you does not make it a lie - it's absolutely true. And you can quite comfortably and easily reach exploration Elite in this game by doing just that, which I would suggest counts as exploration in the context of the game.
 
It would be really nice if you would would refrain from accusing people of lying just because you disagree with what they say.

I said very explicitly that there is now 'no need to SC in exploration and still get tags and credits unless you want to fly to the body to map it.' Just because that's not exploration according to you does not make it a lie - it's absolutely true. And you can quite comfortably and easily reach exploration Elite in this game by doing just that, which I would suggest counts as exploration in the context of the game.
You could tag stars, and some gas giants and planets, and reach elite, the same way before the FSS too. It isn't an argument for or against anything. Especially when you count black hole/neutron farming, which used to be a very common method.
 
No different to the ADS. You press a button for 5 seconds and you have explored the system.

You need to look at what you write and see how it applies to the old version as well. It's no different at the end of the day. They both give you information that allows you to explore the system more.

Hell you don't need to travel at all. Open the galaxy map and you have explored the whole galaxy if you go by that interpretation.

But as your dictionary says, you need to travel through it. You don't travel when using the FSS or ADS. To gather the information, you need to travel through it I'm the old way as well as the new.
So you've done a 180. You now realise that using the ADS or FSS is exploring. You really need to go back to the others and apologise, since you implied they were lying by saying otherwise.

The fact is that we discover a huge amount of information as we travel from system by system using the ADS or the FSS only, and no SC is required for that to be exploration, by definition. And this type of exploration is very common, until we find a system we might want to explore more thoroughly.
 
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So you've done a 180. You now realise that using the ADS or FSS is exploring.
When using your definition. Either it both is, or neither is, but the whole discussion is weak as lemon pie left in a putrid puddle (I'm trying random phrases to see which will stick).

P1:But with the FSS you don't even need to move in SC to find out stuff about the system! It doesn't matter if you find everything, if you find something than that already counts!"
P2:"You could find out stuff with the ADS too without moving."
P1:"But with the FSS you can get to elite and put your name on things without moving!"
P2:"The same was possible before the FSS."
P1:"Aha! Got you!"
P2:"Huh?"
 
So you've done a 180. You now realise that using the ADS or FSS is exploring. You really need to go back to the others and apologise, since you implied they were lying by saying otherwise.
Nope. You need to travel through the system to explore it. You don't explore it by looking at some numbers and figures while sitting still.

The fact is that we discover a huge amount of information as we travel from system by system using the ADS or the FSS only, and no SC is required for that to be exploration, by definition. And this type of exploration is the most common, until we find a system we might want to explore more thoroughly.
You are not moving or don't need to move when using the FSS or ADS. That is not exploring by your definition.
 
That is comically reductionist, and by that definition you didn't need SC ever to explore in ED, because you always found out about the star from the entry point.
You needed to extrapolate. When I point out that even a single piece of information makes it exploration, you should be able to join the dots to realise that the huge amount of information we get from the ADS or FSS makes it even more obvious that it's exploration. Sorry the comical reduction was lost on you.
 
Nope. You need to travel through the system to explore it. You don't explore it by looking at some numbers and figures while sitting still.


You are not moving or don't need to move when using the FSS or ADS. That is not exploring by your definition.
You need to read what I wrote... moving from system to system using the FSS or ADS is exploring. You really need to expand your thinking beyond your very small definition of what you think exploration is.

Using your definition, you must think Captain Cook is not an explorer because he didn't traverse every square mile of Australia to find all the geological POIs? :)
 
It would be really nice if you would would refrain from accusing people of lying just because you disagree with what they say.
They they shouldn't lie then.

I said very explicitly that there is now 'no need to SC in exploration and still get tags and credits unless you want to fly to the body to map it.' Just because that's not exploration according to you does not make it a lie - it's absolutely true. And you can quite comfortably and easily reach exploration Elite in this game by doing just that, which I would suggest counts as exploration in the context of the game.
Yes. You should read why you wrote. You said exploration and get tags and credits. You imply that exploration and tags and credit are separate things.

Now if you just said you don't need to SC to get tags and credits, I would agree with, but that isn't what you said. Not that you had to SC to get tags and credits in the old way either. If any planet was in range all you needed to do is highlight it and move your ship to point at it and get your scan. You could do that with gas giants over 1000ls away and planets that were close. Not much difference there. So credits and tags for pointing.

I have always said that even in the old way, once the honk was done you should get discovered by tags as you have discovered every planet in the system. Then you supercruise to it and do the scan and get another scanned by tag. I would just have the first discovered by tags give very little credits and I would do the same with the FSS. Have mapping or scanned as the most important one which would still give people incentive to fly and tag in the old and new.
 
You need to read what I wrote... moving from system to system using the FSS or ADS is exploring. You really need to expand your thinking beyond your very small definition of what you think exploration is.
Was only going by the dictionary definition.

Using your definition, you must think Captain Cook is not an explorer because he didn't traverse every square mile of Australia to find all the geological POIs? :)
Ere, nope. Never said that or implied that. That makes me no sense at all.
 
Ere, nope. Never said that or implied that. That makes me no sense at all.
You seem to be getting befuddled. You said it's not exploring unless you travel within the system. The analogy I used is that Cook didn't travel within the country so by your definition he's not exploring. I can't make it any clearer.

And I will not be responding to any more of your drivel. And you still need to apologise to others for saying they were lying. And with that I'm off to bed... have fun. :)
 
You seem to be getting befuddled. You said it's not exploring unless you travel within the system. The analogy I used is that Cook didn't travel within the country so by your definition he's not exploring. I can't make it any clearer.
Cook did travel within the country, but not much. But he did travel to explore the earth. He couldn't do it by sitting on his backside back in the UK.

And I will not be responding to any more of your drivel. And you still need to apologise to others for saying they were lying. And with that I'm off to bed... have fun. :)
The only drivel is your own. You say things that are ridiculous and don't make any sense.

I stick by what I said. It's a lie and all you are doing is trying to justify that lie when you can't.
 
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When using your definition. Either it both is, or neither is, but the whole discussion is weak as lemon pie left in a putrid puddle (I'm trying random phrases to see which will stick).

P1:But with the FSS you don't even need to move in SC to find out stuff about the system! It doesn't matter if you find everything, if you find something than that already counts!"
P2:"You could find out stuff with the ADS too without moving."
P1:"But with the FSS you can get to elite and put your name on things without moving!"
P2:"The same was possible before the FSS."
P1:"Aha! Got you!"
P2:"Huh?"
Ok one last one...
I have no idea why you're talking about irrelevancies like putting your name on things and getting elite.

Travelling from system to system in a region of space, and either honking with the ADS or using the FSS to obtain data, is exploring, by definition. It's irrefutable. Bizarre that you're trying to argue that this is somehow weak. Hooroo.
 
Ok one last one...
I have no idea why you're talking about irrelevancies like putting your name on things and getting elite.

Travelling from system to system in a region of space, and either honking with the ADS or using the FSS to obtain data, is exploring, by definition. It's irrefutable. Bizarre that you're trying to argue that this is somehow weak. Hooroo.
By moving from system to system is exploring, exploring the galaxy. But you can't explore a system by sitting on your backside looking at a star or using the ADS or FSS. Most people are not traveling when using those, so by the dictionary definition you are not exploring.
 
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Ok one last one...
I have no idea why you're talking about irrelevancies like putting your name on things and getting elite.
Because you aren't the only participant in the discussion:
I said very explicitly that there is now 'no need to SC in exploration and still get tags and credits unless you want to fly to the body to map it.' Just because that's not exploration according to you does not make it a lie - it's absolutely true. And you can quite comfortably and easily reach exploration Elite in this game by doing just that, which I would suggest counts as exploration in the context of the game.
It was a statement that applies equally well to FSS and pre-FSS exploration, and as such is pointless.

Travelling from system to system in a region of space, and either honking with the ADS or using the FSS to obtain data, is exploring, by definition. It's irrefutable. Bizarre that you're trying to argue that this is somehow weak. Hooroo.
If both are, then the term has no value in a discussion. It serves no argument or point. If you define both X and Y as Z, than both X and Y are Z. That is indeed true. Fascinating, really.
 
It was a statement that applies equally well to FSS and pre-FSS exploration, and as such is pointless.
The point of the statement, and the post, was to point out to a different poster that FD's silence or otherwise on any given subject is no indication at all as to whether something or nothing will happen regarding the subject.
 
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