And Braben could say something innocuous in an interview and some here would still act like he'd kicked a cute little puppy to death.
Ah, forum drama.
And people wonder why devs don't routinely respond to the comments and personal attacks.
DB interview in Variety.com from E3
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Ah, forum drama.
And people wonder why devs don't routinely respond to the comments and personal attacks.
verminstar
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Thats the same as fighting a fire with petrol and expecting a happy ending...when someone throws the toys outta the pram and walks away in silence, people tend to form their own conclusions...human nature. Ignoring the issue doesnt mean it goes away...usually it gets worse ^
Well, part of the problem is that Frontier haven’t clarified the monetization strategy for the game going forward. They’ve said no more seasons yet haven’t stated what is replacing them. Then they announce DLC for 2018 over half a year ago but never mention it again. THEN David makes some public contradictory statements about the game’s monetization.
All of this secrecy and contradiction leaves the consumers super confused about what they might be buying into. And consumer confusion is never a good thing, especially when you have a cosmetic store as a revenue stream.
Frontier really should clarify this all, honestly it never should have gotten this confusing to begin with.
I mean if your definition of innocuous is "I kick puppies in my spare time" then yeah. But its not like people here are going out of their way to find something to be upset about, this all started with someone pointing out an obviously factually incorrect statement.
Whats been said towards braben in this thread is actually really mild. The worst I heard is essentially "I like him but I don't like it when he talks like a ceo."
If you want the worst possible interpretation of that quote, I'll give it to you:
Braben is lying through his teeth for good PR. There's no way the ceo of a company is unaware that his pet project has paid expansions that bring more content than just cosmetics. He sells the fdev brand as a company that cares about the consumers, but in actual fact they just want to milk us for our money. This is why he goes on interviews tooting his own horn about how great fdev is and how well they treat the players by bringing up examples that are complete fiction. He's a dishonest snake looking to exploit the consumer.
Now, no-one here is arguing that, even though the above does not contradict the facts in any way, and is not outside of the realm of possibility (there have been plenty of scammers in the past). Instead people have been rather mild in their criticism of braben. How you can interpret that as senseless hate over an innocuous comment is beyond me, but then again most of what the Fdev fanboys say is beyond me.
It woud be nice if they would tell us though wouldn't it?
There are a lot of disgruntled LEP owners out there. (I mean... not me... of course... )
The interview as reported is clearly incorrect regarding the expansions being free. It could easily be that the comment was made in relation to the current season, but the context wasn't quoted and then it makes sense.
I definitely sense though this might signal a move to a different way of licensing the game. I was intrigued by the regular mentions of SAAS.
I also saw an article where the costs of PC and JWE they each run just shy of the 8M STG that was quoted for ED initial release. If you double that for ED for the post launch development you get to 16M and one and half times is 20M then multiply by 10 you get a comparison to SC which I think was probably in his mind
I definitely sense though this might signal a move to a different way of licensing the game. I was intrigued by the regular mentions of SAAS.
I also saw an article where the costs of PC and JWE they each run just shy of the 8M STG that was quoted for ED initial release. If you double that for ED for the post launch development you get to 16M and one and half times is 20M then multiply by 10 you get a comparison to SC which I think was probably in his mind
Wading in, I thought it sounded like a 50/50 misspoke mixed with recent history viewpoint. The updates have been free, but he said Expansions... Well we've only had 2 expansions, and one is free that's true... He misspoke, should have said updates of which we get several each year and always for free.
And then as I said, it's easy to just look at recent history when you're talking about something. The last time there was a new expansion offered up for sale, it was 2015(?).
I'd love to hear from the big man, just to State the obvious; No Expansions aren't free (except when they are like Beyond) and Yes there will be more paid Expansions. Sir Braben?
And then as I said, it's easy to just look at recent history when you're talking about something. The last time there was a new expansion offered up for sale, it was 2015(?).
I'd love to hear from the big man, just to State the obvious; No Expansions aren't free (except when they are like Beyond) and Yes there will be more paid Expansions. Sir Braben?
c'mon now.
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Perhaps he could have phrased it better
"Elite dangerous has had some pretty major updates to the core game at no cost to those who bought either the basic game or horizons expansion"
My total spend on ED so far : Basic ED bought full price 6 days after the game was released, Horizons about a week before the release, and a jack o' lantern bobblehead because he looks cool
For which I've had 3 + yrs of very enjoyable messing about in various spaceships (ok mostly a tuned AspX).
Yes the game has its faults (galaxy map bug , left hand panel bug) but its good fun, when it stops being good fun, then I'll play something else
Bill
<<looking at the big ship ID numbers in the store...... [hehe]
"Elite dangerous has had some pretty major updates to the core game at no cost to those who bought either the basic game or horizons expansion"
My total spend on ED so far : Basic ED bought full price 6 days after the game was released, Horizons about a week before the release, and a jack o' lantern bobblehead because he looks cool
For which I've had 3 + yrs of very enjoyable messing about in various spaceships (ok mostly a tuned AspX).
Yes the game has its faults (galaxy map bug , left hand panel bug) but its good fun, when it stops being good fun, then I'll play something else
Bill
<<looking at the big ship ID numbers in the store...... [hehe]
I would like to reiterate for anyone who still thinks Braben didn't mean to say "our expansions have been free" when he said "Our expansions have been free." You may have had a case, if he hadn't followed it up with "the things you pay for are just vanity items, which in a multiplayer game just makes sense." Both of those statements, when taken together, CLEARLY indicate he is saying there is no paid for content that goes beyond paints and clothing, ect. There's no way of interpreting that where horizons being paid for content somehow doesn't contradict it. Its night and day. Braben said that the only purchasable content, updates included, were vanity items. That is what he said.
He didn't mean to say "our expansions going forward" or "our updates to the base game excluding horizons" because if he did he would not have followed it up with the second part. Anyone reading it from an unbiased perspective would read it as "there are no paid for updates in Elite:Dangerous," and that is simply not the case. Maybe Braben forgot about horizons and is kicking himself right now, but do not try and tell me that he was being genuine AND knew what he was talking about. Either he lied intentionally or didn't know what he was talking about for some reason. Both are pretty bad for a CEO talking about his companies flagship product that he had a hand in creating.
He didn't mean to say "our expansions going forward" or "our updates to the base game excluding horizons" because if he did he would not have followed it up with the second part. Anyone reading it from an unbiased perspective would read it as "there are no paid for updates in Elite:Dangerous," and that is simply not the case. Maybe Braben forgot about horizons and is kicking himself right now, but do not try and tell me that he was being genuine AND knew what he was talking about. Either he lied intentionally or didn't know what he was talking about for some reason. Both are pretty bad for a CEO talking about his companies flagship product that he had a hand in creating.
Another article where Braben is talking about ED during E3:
https://www.pcgamesn.com/elite-dangerous/elite-dangerous-2
And the interview of Braben at E3 2018 so no "misunderstanding" He talks about ED at 3:36
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsruxWha87Q
https://www.pcgamesn.com/elite-dangerous/elite-dangerous-2
And the interview of Braben at E3 2018 so no "misunderstanding"
He talks about ED at 3:36 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsruxWha87Q
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It sounds hopeful, particularly at the last bit that there's "lots to do still" in the current game (ED). It's also good news for LEP owners. Frontier isn't quick to ditch them for an ED2. As for the Variety bit, it was probably just a flub mistake gaff spoken out of context, as Frontier's current focus for ED is Beyond which is a free year of updates. DB has ceo duties, where he could have been just thinking about fiscal year 2018, and perhaps shareholders such as tencent or non-gamer venture capitalists are concerned why there's even free stuff (Beyond) that's being developed for an older game. Of course overall it doesn't mean any rip-off to LEP owners. When atmospherics and spacelegs arrives for maybe $30 each, LEP owners will still get them for free.
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It may be that there is a lot of indecision in FD at the moment about how the game should be funded in the future.
Then again, if they know, would there be any tactical advantage in broadcasting it ? It seems that in the games world, everyone has an eye on everyone else and what moves they will make next.
tbh I'm not all that emotional about it. There's no ambiguity in the statement.. he said: "Our expansions have been free, and the things you pay for are just vanity items...."
I have a receipt that would counter the claim, no doubt about it - I paid for Horizons.
Unless Horizons wasn't infact an expansion.. then I'd be interested to know what it was.. but, i'm pretty sure it was listed as an 'expansion'.
Oh well. It is what it is, and is what it isn't and isn't what it isn't.
Was that a free expansion in the last line!
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There's this Article from yesterday: "Elite Dangerous 2 could happen, but it's a long time off"
Here: https://pcgamesn.com/elite-dangerous/elite-dangerous-2
Here: https://pcgamesn.com/elite-dangerous/elite-dangerous-2
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