I don't know, I think if we could have large terrariums with a single tank it would make some of the bigger exhibit species more interesting, and maybe even allow for some exhibit cohabitation (like the Golden and Lehmann's Poison Frogs and the Red-Eyed Tree Frog for instance).
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Keep in mind that you need to be able to keep atleast 2 in there.
Personally i thin putting them in the 4x4 while the game otherwise is all about that "Build your animals their dream home" vibe would feel pretty out of character.
There probably is a reason why we got the more obscure, but way smaller yellow anaconda instead
All the dlc's without exhibit animals just had one animal less rather than replace the slot with a habitat animal, and when we got five exhibit animals it was still with seven habitat ones. Nobody's trying to steal a spot from habitat animal, we're just talking about having the usual exhibit spot filled. There's no need to gatekeep other people's fun when it doesn't threaten yours.
I would be very surprised if Frontier takes a habitat animal slot for exhibit animals.
You have to look at exhibit animals as basically advanced animated scenery. The animals themselves have no concept of the box or what it looks like, doing a fully aquatic exhibit box within its current format comes with no big technical challenges they'd have to overcome at this point. They'd raise the mesh that simulates the water and animate the animal swimming and that would be that.
I know this is an annoying thing to say (don't shoot the messenger here haha); but honestly, there's been many occasions where we could have gotten more than one exhibit animal with the same amount of work that doing multiple tangs, clownfish, surgeonfish or any other type of similar fish. Doing multiple frogs would take the same amount of effort, doing multiple newts would be the same amount of effort, doing multiple spiders would and I could go on and on. The same goes with the whole "multiple macaws" thing for people who want multiple birds in the walkthrough exhibit.
We're constantly, time and time again, faced with the fact that Frontier simply only has ever done multiple exhibit animals once and that's with butterflies. The reasons for that have been theorized before already so (unless asked) I won't go over that again. I think the bitter reality we have to face here is that we're only ever going to get one exhibit animal at a time unless there's a change in budget for the pack or if something else gets sacrificed.
So yeah, after 6 years of time I'd say the chances at us getting multiple exhibit animals again is really really slim. Especially if the next pack turns out to continue the format of no exhibit animals at all. And as much as I personally feel that the exhibit boxes current implementation is too restrictive; having more animals for them would never be a bad thing.
I think it's worth mentioning that the only time we got Walkthrough Exhibit animals in an Animal Pack was also the only time we got more than one Exhibit animal in any DLC pack. Maybe that was just done to beef up the number of Walkthrough Exhibit animals being established just a few months prior. But regardless, the Grasslands Animal Pack does establish a precedent that can't be ignored. It's not impossible, but it's unfortunately more likely that Exhibit Animals will simply be ignored entirely now.
I get what you’re saying, I just feel that we’re expecting 7 animals in this DLC, and if 1/7 turned out to be an exhibit animal, I’d personally be super disappointed. I’m not gatekeeping, just sharing my opinion.
You’re right though, exhibit animals haven’t historically replaced habitat animals. That said, I don’t really value the exhibits at all and I’d prefer scenery or a WE.
To be honest the only way I would see us getting multiple exhibit animals is if we get birds for the WTE. That’s pretty much it at this point.
That would be insanely awesome. Maybe one day…
There's even a precedent within Frontier for aviary birds in fixed loops ala Zoo Tycoon 3. Just polish up the old models and re-purpose animations where applicable. Hell, I think people would be settle for directly ported models at this point. Even just one opens a fantastic doorway for many more birds.
Yeah I think that is a nice bonus to it; but honestly, the technical context is the one that I feel is the one that gets ignored the easiest.
Butterflies are easy to do as you only ever need one model and depending on how you did the UV you can basically almost copy paste the majority of your texture from a picture of a specimen drawer (of which many exist). That's just objectively less work than turning a Hyacinth Macaw into Scarlet Macaw (or vice versa) for example.All that being said, I also don't understand why they don't increase the budget ever so slightly to just allow for the amount of aforementioned work as multiple frogs in the SA or multiple newts in the Europe DLC would have been awesome; but I assume that they probably came to the conclusion that increasing that budget wasn't worth it. If their ingame metrics show that people don't tend to use or significantly use the exhibit animals in a DLC less; that might even have influenced their choice to ditch them al together in these past two packs?
Whilst I'm not 100% sure, there they'd run into legal issues I'm afraid. Usually it's fine if they use their own stuff in the their licensed work but vice versa that doesn't fly (pun not intended but glad it was there), unless they put that in the contract up front.
It's a shame, because there are a few things in Zoo Tycoon 3 that I would have liked to see in PZ too (darn those freakin awesome zoo banners and awesome ferns in the lemur exhibit
).
I think the tanks as they are, well they seem way too bug for the poison frogs. They should already have some cohabitation
True, I'm not sure exactly how big an enclosure should be. I will say that the one at the local zoo is about half the size and holds 1
Ohhh man, I have so much hype!!! This week we'll surely see the trailer, and man, I can't wait for it!!!!!!
Basically how the bats are currently, just the loops are bird-like, not bat-like
Dragging this comment kicking and screaming back about thirty pages, to put up the list of animals in Planet Zoo that have been mixed with the white-faced saki monkey, according to their EAZA best practice guidelines:
- Giant anteater (mixed at Sosto)
- Butterflies (mixed at Nuremberg)
- Giant otter (mixed at Aquazoo and Leipzig) - I think at one of these zoos, a saki was found dead in the otter's pool one morning, but it was not able to determine whether it has been drowned in an attack by the otter or just fallen in after dying of natural causes; either way, I definitely wouldn't give them an interspecies bonus
- Yellow-breasted capuchin (mixed at Berlin Tierpark) - not the same species, but it could theoretically work
- Armadillos (big hairy armadillo mixed at Frankfurt, also three-banded at London not mentioned in the guidelines) - again, not the same species but should work
- Additionally, some exhibit animals have been mixed in real-life, but that is obviously not a concern for the game - those exhibit species being the green iguana, golden poison frog and red-eyed tree frog
Bighorn: Desert, Taiga, Grassland?
Interspecies: none
Rhea: Grassland, Desert?
Interspecies: Mara?, Armadillo, Capybara
Coyote: Desert, Grassland, Temperate, Taiga, Tropical
Interspecies: None
Saki: Tropical
Interspecies: Capuchin, Capybara, Bairds Tapir?, Anteater?
American Flamingo: Aquatic, Tropical
Interspecies: Capybara
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But we still got a good amount. It's not hard to combine WEs with standard habitat animals. Just a little ingenuity
Personally i think a snake should be able to stretch out completely, so imo the minimum size should be 1x0,5 the length of the snake. Which is also the legal requirement set out by the government where i am (although i realize that those unfortunately arent a thing everywhere) . And since zoos should be a role model for animals you could also keep as pets, it ideally should be bigger in a zoo
By the way, I've been wondering for a while now: Why don't the Black-Tailed Prairie Dog and Pronghorn Antelope (possibly Collared Peccary as well) have interspecy with each other?